Im sorry Mussina isnt deserving of HOF.

[navamind]

Gagne had an amazing 2003, but Prior and Schmidt both had an ERA+ around 180. I would have gone with either of them, I just think the 120+ innings overweigh the gap in ERA+ IMO.

The only other NL pitcher to receive votes was Russ Ortiz. Lol

 

[Used 2 B Hu]

I'm sorry Mussina's election to the Hall upsets so many people, but I'm even more sorry that this discussion brings up Tom Glavine's tenure with the Mets

 

[StanMarsh51]

oh... I agree... and even though I am arguing against him, I really don't have THAT much of a problem with him in... He is better than MANY who are in... Although, I don't think past mistakes justifies current ones...

I think my biggest problem is that he got in before some others who I rank better... and how others like Johan Santana and Kevin Brown were pushed out of the ballot so quickly...

Well both are special cases....Brown's PED situation killed any chance he had, and Santana's career was cut very short with his injuries (he topped 170 innings just 6x). Had neither of them had those issues, they likely do much better in the voting.

 

[MilkSpiller22]

I'm sorry Mussina's election to the Hall upsets so many people, but I'm even more sorry that this discussion brings up Tom Glavine's tenure with the Mets

well, don't you find it funny that:

His tenure with the Yankees was 2001-2008, which is sandwiched between 2 Yankee WS...

So they won the season before WITHOUT him, and then they won again the season after WITHOUT him... But could not win 1 WS with the Yankees... NOT EVEN WITH THE YANKEES....

 

[Used 2 B Hu]

well, don't you find it funny that:

His tenure with the Yankees was 2001-2008, which is sandwiched between 2 Yankee WS...

So they won the season before WITHOUT him, and then they won again the season after WITHOUT him... But could not win 1 WS with the Yankees... NOT EVEN WITH THE YANKEES....

I thought it was all A-Rod's fault?

 

[MilkSpiller22]

I thought it was all A-Rod's fault?

Arod won a championship

 

[Used 2 B Hu]

Arod won a championship

"He'll NEVER be a true Yankee!"
--Yankees

 

[MilkSpiller22]

"He'll NEVER be a true Yankee!"
--Yankees

never really understood that mentality... But I would say most yankee fans learned to appreciate him at the end...

 

[SlinkyRedfoot]

Was he ever a dominating pitcher where opposing teams really feared him? I don't think so.

1992 - 241 IP with a 154 ERA+

That's pretty fucking dominant. Maybe should have won CY that year.

'91-'01 he averaged 7 IP/GS with a 131 ERA+ for eleven years in the heart of the steroid era. Not a lot of pitchers did that.

I heard this morning on SportsCenter that his pitching WAR ranks 6th of all pitchers in the DH era.

 

[SlinkyRedfoot]

There was a guy on FN that fucking loved him some Moose. Guy's name was Trooper. Loved Moose so much, I'd often refer to him as Mike Mussina's Grandmother. But the guy knew his stuff and he had a lot of facts to back up his claim that one day Mike Mussina would be in the HOF.

Wherever you are, Trooper, here's to you and Mike Mussina:

 

[Used 2 B Hu]

never really understood that mentality... But I would say most yankee fans learned to appreciate him at the end...

That was mostly the Jetes-fellators, to be fair. they were an especially obdurate group once Rodriguez was signed.

I think he does a great job as a broadcaster. He's pretty fluid and makes it look effortless, which was kind of the opposite of how most people saw him as a player. I actually enjoy seeing him on those playoff broadcast teams

 

[SlinkyRedfoot]

I'm sorry Mussina's election to the Hall upsets so many people, but I'm even more sorry that this discussion brings up Tom Glavine's tenure with the Mets

<orders Hu a book from Amazon>

Spoiler

 

[nynasty]

never really understood that mentality... But I would say most yankee fans learned to appreciate him at the end...

Not this Yankee fan.


F*ck that centaur painting window kissing motherf@cker

 

[Used 2 B Hu]

<orders Hu a book from Amazon>

Spoiler

Hey, I normally likes me some Feinstein, but...I don't know how to finish that sentence

 

[nynasty]

<orders Hu a book from Amazon>

Spoiler

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Actually a terrific book. Feinstein can write the hell out of just about any sport.

 

[Used 2 B Hu]

That was mostly the Jetes-fellators, to be fair.

Not this Yankee fan.


F*ck that centaur painting window kissing motherf@cker

Wowee, there goes one right now!

 

[SlinkyRedfoot]

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Actually a terrific book. Feinstein can write the hell out of just about any sport.

I read and enjoyed that book.

 

[Pure Steel]

Not this Yankee fan.


F*ck that centaur painting window kissing motherf@cker

You can throw Clemens right in there with him.....I wasn't a fan of either, I despised Clemens more.....

 

[Used 2 B Hu]

You can throw Clemens right in there with him.....I wasn't a fan of either, I despised Clemens more.....

How dare you besmirch a true Blue Jay like this

 

[Cyder]

Stupid take. The only thing Mussina is missing in his career is a World Series ring.

Which he would have gotten if Mariano doesn't throw a double play ball into center field in game 7 2001.