I'm sorry, but OSU should not be in the NCG.

[offshore1509]

Nope. KSU beat them in the CCG. The BCS gave them the benefit of the doubt. And forever after the Team SEC refused to give USC a shred of respect for their dynasty, claiming Auburn would have shown them whatsup. This gives me all kinds of warm and fuzzy memories of Disney and Myspace sports forums epic verbal warfare.

Side note. After that, I don't think the CCG ever left Dallas(Sooner/Longhorn Land) ever again.

Edit: That was the year before, I guess. But still. The old days were so fun.

That was 2003, OU, USC, and AUB were undefeated in 2004, OU and USC beat out Aub on SOS.

 

[offshore1509]

if you are 12-1, going 1-1 against top 10 teams with the loss being in OT, you will be in the top 5 regardless of being in the SEC or Big 12.

next.

Face it, if Mizzu had the same record while in the B12 and they went 1-1 against top 10 B12 teams you would be saying they played overrated teams.You know you would.

 

[offshore1509]

Well considering how somewhere around 10 of the 14 SEC teams usually start the season ranked and end up over ranked. I'd say a bunch. Come on, UGA and aTm still ranked? That's bull shit. Four of the top ten, that's bull shit too.

I've said it many times, after the SEC cry fest several years ago the money figured out how to work the system. Start the season with over half your conference in the top 25, play nobody OOC, play seemingly ranked opponents in conference play. Almost assured to get a team to the big game unless the wheels fall completely off.

 

[sakau2007]

That was 2003, OU, USC, and AUB were undefeated in 2004, OU and USC beat out Aub on SOS.

One of the big reasons Auburn lost out on SOS was because of the quality win component. If you don't remember what that was, I encourage you to go research it.

Essentially you got credit for beating teams that were in the top 15 of the BCS... with more weight given the higher ranked the team is. Auburn beat Tennessee twice in that season which actually hurt them in that respect because they got fewer quality win points because Tennessee dropped further in the BCS. This glaring problem was rectified by being removed as a component of the BCS, but it of course was too late to help Auburn.

 

[sakau2007]

I've said it many times, after the SEC cry fest several years ago the money figured out how to work the system. Start the season with over half your conference in the top 25, play nobody OOC, play seemingly ranked opponents in conference play. Almost assured to get a team to the big game unless the wheels fall completely off.

just FYI in 2011 during the regular season the SEC conference accounted for more wins against the final top 25 of the BCS than all of the other AQ power conferences combined. In fact, I don't think the Big 12 notched a single win against the top 25 that season in nonconference play. So now what's this about the SEC playing nobody in nonconference play?

if the SEC weren't so dominant over the Big 12 in bowl matchups, perhaps you'd have a leg to stand on. But we all saw the 3rd best team in the SEC West (a team which fell to Alabama 38-14) handle Kansas State in the cotton bowl with more ease than Oklahoma State did.

 

[smilesid]

just FYI in 2011 during the regular season the SEC conference accounted for more wins against the final top 25 of the BCS than all of the other AQ power conferences combined. In fact, I don't think the Big 12 notched a single win against the top 25 that season in nonconference play. So now what's this about the SEC playing nobody in nonconference play?

Cheez, be celebrating your teams huge win, Sakau.

The facts aren't even debatable. The SEC formula has always been to play one decent opponent and three patty cakes out of conference. They play 3/4 of these games at home, and 3/4 of them against teams that hardly have a chance: FCS teams, bottom end FBS schools, Sun Belt wannabes, and directional state colleges or ones named after towns in Louisiana.

No other conference schedules more home games or super friendly "neutral" sites that are much closer for the SEC team than the other. No other major conference plays more FCS teams. No other conference sets up a cushy interdivisional schedule within the conference either. Each school plays one "traditional" rival and then a single round robin school from the other division. Those rivalries are set up to favor the top schools and make it even harder for the bottom SEC schools to score upsets.

Now I'm sure that you will massage those numbers to fit your prejudice, as usual. But the facts are the facts. While the SEC is great in bowl matchups, keep in mind that those games are usually in southern venues and are much easier to pack the stands with fans, while the opponents have to often make long road trips from colder climates. In the only games that the SEC actually control, the OOC ones, they always load up on cream puffs.

 

[bocomo007]

Cheez, be celebrating your teams huge win, Sakau.

The facts aren't even debatable. The SEC formula has always been to play one decent opponent and three patty cakes out of conference. They play 3/4 of these games at home, and 3/4 of them against teams that hardly have a chance: FCS teams, bottom end FBS schools, Sun Belt wannabes, and directional state colleges or ones named after towns in Louisiana.

No other conference schedules more home games or super friendly "neutral" sites that are much closer for the SEC team than the other. No other major conference plays more FCS teams. No other conference sets up a cushy interdivisional schedule within the conference either. Each school plays one "traditional" rival and then a single round robin school from the other division. Those rivalries are set up to favor the top schools and make it even harder for the bottom SEC schools to score upsets.

Now I'm sure that you will massage those numbers to fit your prejudice, as usual. But the facts are the facts. While the SEC is great in bowl matchups, keep in mind that those games are usually in southern venues and are much easier to pack the stands with fans, while the opponents have to often make long road trips from colder climates. In the only games that the SEC actually control, the OOC ones, they always load up on cream puffs.

 

[4down20]

Florida St is a much better team, but Ohio St has played a tougher schedule and is more deserving than FSU for that reason alone.

But of course, people just want to use the argument that fits them best for the time. 1 minute SoS matters, the next minute it doesn't.

 

[Acrux]

So the big reason FSU is getting a 'pass' from people on SoS is because they passed the 'eye ball test, and have destroyed teams'

What if OSU still had Tressel, who NEVER ran up the score. Would it still be considered that we 'struggled' or just beat teams the way the coach played the game? I just don't remember so many harping about the difference on the scoreboard in the past as they are now (granted we have had stronger SoS in the past) Urban surely has questions concerning the defense in the secondary, but I'd say on the offensive side of the ball, any given day they are up to par with the top tier teams.

A win is a win.. Anyone can lose at any point, baring a bad game, bad match up, injuries, cockiness, or simply facing a better team. I know OSU can't stay undefeated forever, but it is impresive when any AQ team can do a run for a season, or two.

 

[sakau2007]

Cheez, be celebrating your teams huge win, Sakau.

The facts aren't even debatable. The SEC formula has always been to play one decent opponent and three patty cakes out of conference. They play 3/4 of these games at home, and 3/4 of them against teams that hardly have a chance: FCS teams, bottom end FBS schools, Sun Belt wannabes, and directional state colleges or ones named after towns in Louisiana.

No other conference schedules more home games or super friendly "neutral" sites that are much closer for the SEC team than the other. No other major conference plays more FCS teams. No other conference sets up a cushy interdivisional schedule within the conference either. Each school plays one "traditional" rival and then a single round robin school from the other division. Those rivalries are set up to favor the top schools and make it even harder for the bottom SEC schools to score upsets.

Now I'm sure that you will massage those numbers to fit your prejudice, as usual. But the facts are the facts. While the SEC is great in bowl matchups, keep in mind that those games are usually in southern venues and are much easier to pack the stands with fans, while the opponents have to often make long road trips from colder climates. In the only games that the SEC actually control, the OOC ones, they always load up on cream puffs.

that's a lot of writing to fail to mention the sec plays the toughest schedules and has the best results.

 

[sakau2007]

lol at his bowl geography argument. pathetic. it was easier for texas fans to get to pasadena than alabama fans. easier for oregon fans to get to glendale than auburn. do you see us whining about having to make the trip? or do you see us hoisting crystal trophies?

 

[smilesid]

that's a lot of writing to fail to mention the sec plays the toughest schedules and has the best results.

That's not much writing to ignore the facts that this is an outright lie.

The SEC plays each other, and pretty much no one else.

 

[occupant]

That's not much writing to ignore the facts that this is an outright lie.

The SEC plays each other, and pretty much no one else.

Whatever hater. Every year they play plenty of games against Big South, Southern, Southland conference teams. EVERY YEAR.

 

[mrwallace2ku]

Cheez, be celebrating your teams huge win, Sakau.

The facts aren't even debatable. The SEC formula has always been to play one decent opponent and three patty cakes out of conference. They play 3/4 of these games at home, and 3/4 of them against teams that hardly have a chance: FCS teams, bottom end FBS schools, Sun Belt wannabes, and directional state colleges or ones named after towns in Louisiana.

No other conference schedules more home games or super friendly "neutral" sites that are much closer for the SEC team than the other. No other major conference plays more FCS teams. No other conference sets up a cushy interdivisional schedule within the conference either. Each school plays one "traditional" rival and then a single round robin school from the other division. Those rivalries are set up to favor the top schools and make it even harder for the bottom SEC schools to score upsets.

Now I'm sure that you will massage those numbers to fit your prejudice, as usual. But the facts are the facts. While the SEC is great in bowl matchups, keep in mind that those games are usually in southern venues and are much easier to pack the stands with fans, while the opponents have to often make long road trips from colder climates. In the only games that the SEC actually control, the OOC ones, they always load up on cream puffs.

Thank God there is someone out there with a finger on the pulse of the SEC and BS that conference is all about. Always nice to see Smiles tell it like it is OVER AND OVER again. Maybe some day the people that be will see it too.

OUTFUCKINGSTANDING POST!

 

[Brahmsian]

A suggestion:

In future Ohio State should be abbreviated as OhSU, Oklahoma State as OkSU and Oregon State as OrSU.

This avoids confusion, and as an Oklahoma native to me OSU means the Cowboys, not the Buckeyes.

 

[occupant]

...and the SEC troll guy has diverted yet another thread into some bullshit about the SEC and Auburn.

hmmm...I sense a theme.

 

[Steelboy84]

Lots of analysts saying a win by Auburn Saturday could definitely put them in the title game come january which would be justified in my opinion.

 

[Sox33OSU]

Lots of analysts saying a win by Auburn Saturday could definitely put them in the title game come january which would be justified in my opinion.

Lots? Are you being serious?

 

[tabascojet]

urban meyer supports SEC champion for the title game.....

"We're going to tell a group of young men, who just went 12-1 in a most difficult schedule against six ranked opponents, that they don't have a chance to play for a national championship? I'm going to need help with that one."

 

[haydav49]

urban meyer supports SEC champion for the title game.....

"We're going to tell a group of young men, who just went 12-1 in a most difficult schedule against six ranked opponents, that they don't have a chance to play for a national championship? I'm going to need help with that one."

Maybe in 2006?