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i'm all for trading wentz now

Discussion in 'Philadelphia Eagles' started by _phiLLies_, Jan 7, 2019.

  1. Myles

    Myles Well-Known Member

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    I thought Foles could opt out if he wanted?
    I was just going off of this. Maybe I'm reading it wrong.
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  2. Iggloo

    Iggloo We will always remember our patron St. Nick

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    The Eagles and Foles have what is known as a mutual option contract. The Eagles can exercise their option to keep Foles next year at $20 million a year. Foles then has the option to accept that or void it and become a free agent.

    All in all, I don't expect him to play here next year, period. But if he does it won't be under the option. It will be because we trade Wentz and sign Foles to a long-term deal.

    I don't see that happening, but I think that is the only scenario I can imagine in which we would keep Foles.

    Some reports have indicated we could franchise tag Nick and then try to use the leverage to trade him. I am not sure that is accurate, or how that would make financial sense.

    As for the cap, the Eagles will likely let go of some high priced vets next year including Jason Peters and Brandon Graham. That will make a big impact on the cap, and I am not worried about them getting under the cap.
     
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  3. Myles

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    Thanks for the info. Good stuff.

    So it really boils down to if Wentz is worth more than Foles and a 1st and 3rd round pick (just guessing at the trade value, but I think the Jags would easily give that for Wentz).
     
  4. PhillyGreen

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    The Eagles would laugh in the face at anyone offering only a 1st and 3rd. There is no debate as to who is the better QB between Foles and Wentz. The issue that some are having is that Wentz has issues with being healthy. I personally think he came back too soon. However there is no disputing his potential. Hell he is the first QB to pass for 10k yards, 70 TD's and under 30 INT's ever...those are fantastic numbers for a young QB but there is the health concern and that is the only reason I would think about it.

    The Eagles gave up a lot to get Wentz and you don't even get in the conversation without starting with at least 2 #1 picks.
     
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  5. Iggloo

    Iggloo We will always remember our patron St. Nick

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    Pure speculation, but I think Philly would want two firsts for Wentz, and could probably get that, if they ever traded him.
     
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    No argument here.
    So it really boils down to if Wentz is worth more than Foles and 2 1st round picks?
     
  7. PhillyGreen

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    I personally think that Wentz is more valuable and IMO it is not even close. I love Foles and I have always maintained he was a good QB but Wentz is better.

    People are putting so much stock into the teams recent wins and it application as to when Foles started playing. What everyone is ignoring is that the offense is completely different and I think that is Pederson's doing. I think he became more hands on and changed a lot of things in the game plan. I have no simpler way to put this but the say the offense is simply vanilla. There is less movement and motions. I have not seen any of the normal gadget plays Pederson loves to call. Most are Foles completions are check downs BUT........ I think Foles has a better deep ball than Wentz does but there is also a lot of air under it but to be honest his deep ball is very nice.
     
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    well ill admit I didn't look at the eagles cap situation but logically long term Wentz will ask for a ton of money that will make him one of the highest paid QBs in the league if guys like Kirk Cousins and Matt Stafford who destroy the market by asking for those large contract you already know Wentz will want in that ball park or more. I cant see Foles asking for that price
     
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    I don't think there is a bad choice. I do think Wentz is the better QB. But I think I'd go the other direction. If you can get the Giants or Jags 1st rounder this year and next, that would be the 6th or 7th pick in the 2019 draft. Foles career passing isn't that bad at all.
     
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    The only way the Eagles can for sure keep Foles is to Franchise him ... the Eagles can exercise the 20 mil option in his contract to keep him, but Foles can buy back his unrestricted free agency (if he wants to make more than 20) by paying the Eagles 2 million back. At that point the Eagles can Franchise him and try to trade him or else Foles would just walk. Wentz is scheduled to be a cap hit of 8.5 in 2019 ... so if by chance Foles would accept playing for 20 mil we could still fit them both under the cap, but it would take some good reworking as we are tight as it is.
     
  11. PhillyGreen

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    Nick Foles biggest issue is his inconsistency. He can be lights out for a period and then he would cool down. He is an Up and Down QB. After his brilliant 27 TD - 2 Int season he followed that up with a 13 TD-10 Int season but he only played 8 games that season. The following year he was traded which was a start of the Chip Kelly fiasco. Foles went under Fisher where QB careers go to die.

    Last year he was underwhelming at the end of the season and the first playoff game. Then he lit the world on fire and he started this year underwhelming as well and now is on fire again. He is an up and down QB and his career performances support that.
     
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    You don't trade within the division unless you are the moron Bryan Colangelo or are sure the QB is done (DMac).
     
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    Good point. Leave the Giants out. Take the Jags 7th pick this year and their 1st pick next year.
     
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    Here is the thing. The Eagles (smartly so) are going to pick the better of the two QB's and that is Wentz. I am not saying that as a knock on Foles but Wentz is already better and has more upside.

    Here is how Wentz stats rack up in the NFL some of these I will prorate based on projections so they may not be actual numbers but I will disclose that. I decided to use projections because Wentz played in 11 games. However one could conclude that Foles would have put up similar numbers based on projections his TD's would have only been 22 to Wentz 34 but Ratingk percentage, YPA would be the similar.

    QB Rating - 7th
    Completion percentage - 3rd
    Yards per attempt (YPA) - 11th
    Touchdown Passes - 5th (projected)
    Yards - 6th (Projected)

    When you look at what he accomplished based on the fact that he was coming off a serious knee injury and had no real work until the start of the season. It also appears that the last few games he was playing with his back injury which IMO would clearly affect throwing. That part I place the blame on the coaching and medical staff. That should not have been missed. With that said I believe a completely healthy Carson Wentz puts up even better numbers than what is there and/or projected.

    So with that said I can't see the Eagles trading that away. I truly understand the health concerns but to get a QB that can put up those numbers will cost you a good bit of resources. Two #1 picks are not going to be enough.

    However...I can see the Jags making a play for Foles in free agency.
     
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    I would take Foles 2 first round picks.
     
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    He's a moron...
     
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    The Eagles did not win 2 games in a row with Wentz this season. Foles did. That is significant in my opinion! Foles has a better mentality in my opinion. However, Wentz has more ability.
     
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    I agree wth you, however, if Foles cannot put up another star performance and beat the Saints on Sunday, the Foles ride may be over.

    Foles has accomplished the unimaginable in the last two years. And he’s come off the bench each year after sitting for a few months. We could quite possibly go to another SB next month if this Foles led team can nail their next NFC playoff opponents. It’s a long shot but Foles is hot and the Eagles respond to his leadership. I say it’s tough not resigning Foles if he takes the birds to a second SB in two years. Wentz has great value and the Eagles could be further strengthened by a trade.

    I think Wentz’s injuries, while healed, have affected his confidence and that’s what we’ve seen last year. He lost his touch even if you consider the offense was without Sprouls and other holes on both sides of the line. But, his condition may not be terminal. So, overall, the Eagles can’t lose in this situation.
     
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    What hurt Wentz the most this year was his lack of "agility" following the injury. Many of his big plays prior to the injury were created due to his ability to extend plays and create (he is not a live in the pocket QB like Foles). With that ability sapped this year due to being less than 100% movement wise ... it cracked his confidence and made Wentz press. Once he has fully recovered that agility which made him great in 2017 he should regain his confidence and get back to playing loose in 2019.

    I don't think anything is guaranteed "yet" for next year ... if we lose tomorrow I think it's simple; Wentz opens 2019 as the starter moving forward. If we keep winning this post season though ... the situation will keep getting muddier. If the unthinkable happens and Foles leads us to a 2nd Super Bowl title I don't know how things would shake out moving forward. I mean in that case ... how do you just move on from a QB who just led you to back to back Super Bowl titles? At 30 to start 2019 he will just be hitting a QB's prime.

    I still think that for us to even consider moving Wentz (whom imo would bring back a king's ransom in trade) ... Foles would have to not only win a 2nd straight Super Bowl, but tear it up on the stat sheet. The Eagles invested a lot in getting Wentz and know that many of his struggles this year were directly related to he not being 100%.
     
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    It’s a win win scenario with either QB.... And I thought Phoenix eagle was the #1 Wentz fan boy.... Philly green giving him a run for his $
     
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