i'm all for trading wentz now

[Myles]

The decision for Foles to stay next year at $20 mil is the decisions of the Eagles. Foles can't make a decision one way or the other on that. With that said he is probably going to want to be a starter and going to want starter money. The Eagles are going to have to decide if they want to pay him or Wentz but they are not going to be able to pay both.

The one thing I am not concerned about when it comes to the Eagles if financial management. The seem to be able to manipulate the cap as good if not better than everyone else.

I thought Foles could opt out if he wanted?
I was just going off of this. Maybe I'm reading it wrong.

 

[Iggloo]

The Eagles and Foles have what is known as a mutual option contract. The Eagles can exercise their option to keep Foles next year at $20 million a year. Foles then has the option to accept that or void it and become a free agent.

All in all, I don't expect him to play here next year, period. But if he does it won't be under the option. It will be because we trade Wentz and sign Foles to a long-term deal.

I don't see that happening, but I think that is the only scenario I can imagine in which we would keep Foles.

Some reports have indicated we could franchise tag Nick and then try to use the leverage to trade him. I am not sure that is accurate, or how that would make financial sense.

As for the cap, the Eagles will likely let go of some high priced vets next year including Jason Peters and Brandon Graham. That will make a big impact on the cap, and I am not worried about them getting under the cap.

 

[Myles]

The Eagles and Foles have what is known as a mutual option contract. The Eagles can exercise their option to keep Foles next year at $20 million a year. Foles then has the option to accept that or void it and become a free agent.

All in all, I don't expect him to play here next year, period. But if he does it won't be under the option. It will be because we trade Wentz and sign Foles to a long-term deal.

I don't see that happening, but I think that is the only scenario I can imagine in which we would keep Foles.

Some reports have indicated we could franchise tag Nick and then try to use the leverage to trade him. I am not sure that is accurate, or how that would make financial sense.

As for the cap, the Eagles will likely let go of some high priced vets next year including Jason Peters and Brandon Graham. That will make a big impact on the cap, and I am not worried about them getting under the cap.

Thanks for the info. Good stuff.

So it really boils down to if Wentz is worth more than Foles and a 1st and 3rd round pick (just guessing at the trade value, but I think the Jags would easily give that for Wentz).

 

[PhillyGreen]

Thanks for the info. Good stuff.

So it really boils down to if Wentz is worth more than Foles and a 1st and 3rd round pick (just guessing at the trade value, but I think the Jags would easily give that for Wentz).

The Eagles would laugh in the face at anyone offering only a 1st and 3rd. There is no debate as to who is the better QB between Foles and Wentz. The issue that some are having is that Wentz has issues with being healthy. I personally think he came back too soon. However there is no disputing his potential. Hell he is the first QB to pass for 10k yards, 70 TD's and under 30 INT's ever...those are fantastic numbers for a young QB but there is the health concern and that is the only reason I would think about it.

The Eagles gave up a lot to get Wentz and you don't even get in the conversation without starting with at least 2 #1 picks.

 

[Iggloo]

Pure speculation, but I think Philly would want two firsts for Wentz, and could probably get that, if they ever traded him.

 

[Myles]

The Eagles would laugh in the face at anyone offering only a 1st and 3rd. There is no debate as to who is the better QB between Foles and Wentz. The issue that some are having is that Wentz has issues with being healthy. I personally think he came back too soon. However there is no disputing his potential. Hell he is the first QB to pass for 10k yards, 70 TD's and under 30 INT's ever...those are fantastic numbers for a young QB but there is the health concern and that is the only reason I would think about it.

The Eagles gave up a lot to get Wentz and you don't even get in the conversation without starting with at least 2 #1 picks.

No argument here.
So it really boils down to if Wentz is worth more than Foles and 2 1st round picks?

 

[PhillyGreen]

No argument here.
So it really boils down to if Wentz is worth more than Foles and 2 1st round picks?

I personally think that Wentz is more valuable and IMO it is not even close. I love Foles and I have always maintained he was a good QB but Wentz is better.

People are putting so much stock into the teams recent wins and it application as to when Foles started playing. What everyone is ignoring is that the offense is completely different and I think that is Pederson's doing. I think he became more hands on and changed a lot of things in the game plan. I have no simpler way to put this but the say the offense is simply vanilla. There is less movement and motions. I have not seen any of the normal gadget plays Pederson loves to call. Most are Foles completions are check downs BUT........ I think Foles has a better deep ball than Wentz does but there is also a lot of air under it but to be honest his deep ball is very nice.

 

[seattlefan75]

Not really the cheaper option to keep Foles. Why do you think it would free up cap space to sign others?
I'm not an Eagles expert or a salary cap expert, so I may be wrong. It looks like the Eagles are in bad salary cap position for next season.
NFL 2019 Salary Cap Tracker

Looks like Foles can opt out or stay for 20 million. Wentz has a year left and will make 8 million next season. My guess is that Foles will want to be a starter and want starter money.

well ill admit I didn't look at the eagles cap situation but logically long term Wentz will ask for a ton of money that will make him one of the highest paid QBs in the league if guys like Kirk Cousins and Matt Stafford who destroy the market by asking for those large contract you already know Wentz will want in that ball park or more. I cant see Foles asking for that price

 

[Myles]

I personally think that Wentz is more valuable and IMO it is not even close. I love Foles and I have always maintained he was a good QB but Wentz is better.

People are putting so much stock into the teams recent wins and it application as to when Foles started playing. What everyone is ignoring is that the offense is completely different and I think that is Pederson's doing. I think he became more hands on and changed a lot of things in the game plan. I have no simpler way to put this but the say the offense is simply vanilla. There is less movement and motions. I have not seen any of the normal gadget plays Pederson loves to call. Most are Foles completions are check downs BUT........ I think Foles has a better deep ball than Wentz does but there is also a lot of air under it but to be honest his deep ball is very nice.

I don't think there is a bad choice. I do think Wentz is the better QB. But I think I'd go the other direction. If you can get the Giants or Jags 1st rounder this year and next, that would be the 6th or 7th pick in the 2019 draft. Foles career passing isn't that bad at all.

 

[Rey]

The only way the Eagles can for sure keep Foles is to Franchise him ... the Eagles can exercise the 20 mil option in his contract to keep him, but Foles can buy back his unrestricted free agency (if he wants to make more than 20) by paying the Eagles 2 million back. At that point the Eagles can Franchise him and try to trade him or else Foles would just walk. Wentz is scheduled to be a cap hit of 8.5 in 2019 ... so if by chance Foles would accept playing for 20 mil we could still fit them both under the cap, but it would take some good reworking as we are tight as it is.

 

[PhillyGreen]

I don't think there is a bad choice. I do think Wentz is the better QB. But I think I'd go the other direction. If you can get the Giants or Jags 1st rounder this year and next, that would be the 6th or 7th pick in the 2019 draft. Foles career passing isn't that bad at all.

Nick Foles biggest issue is his inconsistency. He can be lights out for a period and then he would cool down. He is an Up and Down QB. After his brilliant 27 TD - 2 Int season he followed that up with a 13 TD-10 Int season but he only played 8 games that season. The following year he was traded which was a start of the Chip Kelly fiasco. Foles went under Fisher where QB careers go to die.

Last year he was underwhelming at the end of the season and the first playoff game. Then he lit the world on fire and he started this year underwhelming as well and now is on fire again. He is an up and down QB and his career performances support that.

 

[mannyz]

I don't think there is a bad choice. I do think Wentz is the better QB. But I think I'd go the other direction. If you can get the Giants or Jags 1st rounder this year and next, that would be the 6th or 7th pick in the 2019 draft. Foles career passing isn't that bad at all.

You don't trade within the division unless you are the moron Bryan Colangelo or are sure the QB is done (DMac).

 

[Myles]

You don't trade within the division unless you are the moron Bryan Colangelo or are sure the QB is done (DMac).

Good point. Leave the Giants out. Take the Jags 7th pick this year and their 1st pick next year.

 

[PhillyGreen]

Good point. Leave the Giants out. Take the Jags 7th pick this year and their 1st pick next year.

Here is the thing. The Eagles (smartly so) are going to pick the better of the two QB's and that is Wentz. I am not saying that as a knock on Foles but Wentz is already better and has more upside.

Here is how Wentz stats rack up in the NFL some of these I will prorate based on projections so they may not be actual numbers but I will disclose that. I decided to use projections because Wentz played in 11 games. However one could conclude that Foles would have put up similar numbers based on projections his TD's would have only been 22 to Wentz 34 but Ratingk percentage, YPA would be the similar.

QB Rating - 7th
Completion percentage - 3rd
Yards per attempt (YPA) - 11th
Touchdown Passes - 5th (projected)
Yards - 6th (Projected)

When you look at what he accomplished based on the fact that he was coming off a serious knee injury and had no real work until the start of the season. It also appears that the last few games he was playing with his back injury which IMO would clearly affect throwing. That part I place the blame on the coaching and medical staff. That should not have been missed. With that said I believe a completely healthy Carson Wentz puts up even better numbers than what is there and/or projected.

So with that said I can't see the Eagles trading that away. I truly understand the health concerns but to get a QB that can put up those numbers will cost you a good bit of resources. Two #1 picks are not going to be enough.

However...I can see the Jags making a play for Foles in free agency.

 

[Myles]

Here is the thing. The Eagles (smartly so) are going to pick the better of the two QB's and that is Wentz. I am not saying that as a knock on Foles but Wentz is already better and has more upside.

Here is how Wentz stats rack up in the NFL some of these I will prorate based on projections so they may not be actual numbers but I will disclose that. I decided to use projections because Wentz played in 11 games. However one could conclude that Foles would have put up similar numbers based on projections his TD's would have only been 22 to Wentz 34 but Ratingk percentage, YPA would be the similar.

QB Rating - 7th
Completion percentage - 3rd
Yards per attempt (YPA) - 11th
Touchdown Passes - 5th (projected)
Yards - 6th (Projected)

When you look at what he accomplished based on the fact that he was coming off a serious knee injury and had no real work until the start of the season. It also appears that the last few games he was playing with his back injury which IMO would clearly affect throwing. That part I place the blame on the coaching and medical staff. That should not have been missed. With that said I believe a completely healthy Carson Wentz puts up even better numbers than what is there and/or projected.

So with that said I can't see the Eagles trading that away. I truly understand the health concerns but to get a QB that can put up those numbers will cost you a good bit of resources. Two #1 picks are not going to be enough.

However...I can see the Jags making a play for Foles in free agency.

I would take Foles 2 first round picks.

 

[Roy Munson]

First I did not call you an idiot. However I think your stance to trade Wentz is fucking moronic. No I am not saying your are a moron but the that particular thought process is dumb and I am glad you are not running the team.

{Going to edit this part because I was wrong}

So let's look at the defense for a min. This is the same defense that recently gave up 470 yards to Dak Prescott. That alone is embarrassing. We gave up 340 yards to Deshaun Watson. That was a game we had in hand and the defense let them come back and tie the game up late. The Redskins? That does not even count. They had Josh Johnson as their QB. Clemson probably would have beat them. Mitchell Tribusky did not play bad to be honest against us.

So the past 4 games were 3 QB's with 3 years or less experience and QB that has been out of the NFL for 5 years. Sorry but it is not hard to game plan against young QB's

So yeah....I talk shit....and I back it up with actual facts.

He's a moron...

 

[northeastphillyguy]

The Eagles did not win 2 games in a row with Wentz this season. Foles did. That is significant in my opinion! Foles has a better mentality in my opinion. However, Wentz has more ability.

 

[jvett77]

i thought this was insane after last year, but this isn't last year. if we're going to stick with pederson and this type of offensive scheme, then foles can clearly get the job done.

i love wentz and his potential, but the reality is he's already experienced several injuries and is going to command a huge contract. why pay that money when you can have a cheaper foles instead? when you can trade wentz and get some value back?

even though i dislike him, if we could get ramsey and a 1st from the jags for wentz and a future 3rd or something.. that would be a HUGE play for the eagles for these upcoming future years. it will never be a question of who is better individually, it's all about what benefits the team.

foles is only 4 years older than wentz. at this point i think we're better off getting picks/players for wentz and investing that saved money elsewhere. the difference betweeen foles and wentz will not be worth the investment in carson.

in the end it keeps coming back to the money. i don't want to be a 10-11 win team who keeps falling short because we can't bring in enough talent. you get ramsey and place him with jones, maddox and douglas. maybe draft a safety or another back early on, pick up a running back in the 3rd/4th and make foles the starter.. we're championship caliber for years.

if you have to start worrying about wentz' health and money instead? it reeks of big trouble down the line. it's already going to suck next season if foles is gone. every hit wentz takes, any time he gets up slow.. who's next in line? not some guy who will carry the team.

I agree wth you, however, if Foles cannot put up another star performance and beat the Saints on Sunday, the Foles ride may be over.

Foles has accomplished the unimaginable in the last two years. And he’s come off the bench each year after sitting for a few months. We could quite possibly go to another SB next month if this Foles led team can nail their next NFC playoff opponents. It’s a long shot but Foles is hot and the Eagles respond to his leadership. I say it’s tough not resigning Foles if he takes the birds to a second SB in two years. Wentz has great value and the Eagles could be further strengthened by a trade.

I think Wentz’s injuries, while healed, have affected his confidence and that’s what we’ve seen last year. He lost his touch even if you consider the offense was without Sprouls and other holes on both sides of the line. But, his condition may not be terminal. So, overall, the Eagles can’t lose in this situation.

 

[Rey]

What hurt Wentz the most this year was his lack of "agility" following the injury. Many of his big plays prior to the injury were created due to his ability to extend plays and create (he is not a live in the pocket QB like Foles). With that ability sapped this year due to being less than 100% movement wise ... it cracked his confidence and made Wentz press. Once he has fully recovered that agility which made him great in 2017 he should regain his confidence and get back to playing loose in 2019.

I don't think anything is guaranteed "yet" for next year ... if we lose tomorrow I think it's simple; Wentz opens 2019 as the starter moving forward. If we keep winning this post season though ... the situation will keep getting muddier. If the unthinkable happens and Foles leads us to a 2nd Super Bowl title I don't know how things would shake out moving forward. I mean in that case ... how do you just move on from a QB who just led you to back to back Super Bowl titles? At 30 to start 2019 he will just be hitting a QB's prime.

I still think that for us to even consider moving Wentz (whom imo would bring back a king's ransom in trade) ... Foles would have to not only win a 2nd straight Super Bowl, but tear it up on the stat sheet. The Eagles invested a lot in getting Wentz and know that many of his struggles this year were directly related to he not being 100%.

 

[Kevin12773]

It’s a win win scenario with either QB.... And I thought Phoenix eagle was the #1 Wentz fan boy.... Philly green giving him a run for his $