If you want Big Buff

[puckhead]

25th overall, pick a youngster not named Hodgson, and we'll throw in the right to talk to Kyle Wellwood BEFORE ANYONE ELSE !!!

That third part should put Vancouver over the top. :P

I'd increase my no-touch prospect list a lot longer than that
(but I have a pretty strong dislike for that fat idiot).

Hodgson, Schroeder, Oberg, Connauton, Rodin, Sauve.
I'm on the fence about Shirokov.

I'd throw in Wellwood's airfare though.

 

[Dupster]

Overrated. I would not give that up for a guy that finished the season with 34 points, was hyped over one series against a career playoff choking team.

Not sure what any team would be "giving up". A draft pick that may not pan out, and a prospect that may not pan out, either. For a legit player. Sure, no lottery team is going to give up on "potential high ceiling (maybe)" players for a 3rd liner who can stand in front of the net on the PP, but, for a team wanting to make a playoff run over the next few years, Buff in the lineup is better than prospects in the minors.

 

[h X c Chris]

Well you can say that about most players already playing vs drafts/prospects. I just dont believe Buff is that valuable. Sure he's a big guy, and yeah he takes up a lot of space in front of the net but other than that I dont see much worth. I believe Chicago is smart and they're trying to use this media hype to unload Buff when his stock is high and i'll be surprised if someone caves into their demands. Personally id rather have my draft and prospect over Buff and his contract.

 

[scottflyers88]

same. i think he is overrated.

 

[puckhead]

Well you can say that about most players already playing vs drafts/prospects. I just dont believe Buff is that valuable. .

same. i think he is overrated.

I agree. i thought he was the worst player in the playoffs, who had a phenomenal streak of luck (he almost scored as many goals off of his ankles as off of his stick).
Full credit for getting his fat ass to the net, but outside of that, he was brutal. I have never seen an NHL player (or AHL for than matter) fall down on his own so often.

 

[Dupster]

puck, between Buff and every damn Canucks forward in that series, Buff was the better player.

 

[puckhead]

puck, between Buff and every damn Canucks forward in that series, Buff was the better player.

He was effective as a fire hydrant in front of the net. With Kane and Toews bouncing pucks off of him, I don't put much of that skill on him (BJ MacDonald?).
He was effective as an occasional battering ram, but so is Derek Boogaard. That's not skill either.

over the playoffs, he got an average of 4 points per series. that puts him in Kyle Wellwood territory.

 

[Dupster]

When was the last time Boogaard got a hat trick in the playoffs, in another team's barn?

Yes, 4 points per series. Plus a better agitator than Burrows. Plus a better shot than Kesler. Plus better size than (insert any Canuck). Plus better speed than Wellwood.

He'd look good in a Canucks uni.... but I understand if you'd rather have Shirokov get 4th line ice time when not in Manitoba. Or... not.

 

[puckhead]

When was the last time Boogaard got a hat trick in the playoffs, in another team's barn?

Yes, 4 points per series. Plus a better agitator than Burrows. Plus a better shot than Kesler. Plus better size than (insert any Canuck). Plus better speed than Wellwood.

He'd look good in a Canucks uni.... but I understand if you'd rather have Shirokov get 4th line ice time when not in Manitoba. Or... not.

looking only at our own less than storied team history - Dave Babych got a hattrick (including the OT winner), Doug Halward got a hattrick in the playoffs.
anomalies happen.

better agitator than Burrows.... against us (especially in this series), yes. that was a failing of the canucks.
Better shot than Kesler... not a chance. I can only recall one goal that traveled further than 10 feet.
Better size... a given. he's a fat piece of shit.
Better speed... Wellwood isn't exactly a high standard. Just don't ask Buff to take a corner at speed.

don't compare him to a shaky rook with less than 10 NHL games. compare him with someone else making $3 million.
I don't want him. Your opinion may be different, and that's OK. but I don't want him, and that's not going to change

 

[Dupster]

And don't compare him to a draft pick and a prospect, both of whom could be complete busts. Some #1 overall draft picks have been.

And Buff in a Canucks uni, standing in front of the net, is a massive improvement over having Bernier there. But maybe that's just me.

 

[puckhead]

And Buff in a Canucks uni, standing in front of the net, is a massive improvement over having Bernier there. But maybe that's just me.

that's fine. agree to disagree.
Bernier has been a disappointment, that's true.

Bernier $2 million - 22 points last year in 59 games - prorates to 31 games for a full year.
(and he is not injury prone, so extrapolating isn't unreasonable)
Byflugien $3 million - 34 points, and a minus player.

an improvement, sure. massive? not so much - especially for the extra dough,
the ONLY thing I like about him is his 200+ hits. that's something we could use.
I'd just prefer it from a different person.

 

[scottflyers88]

i would not trade byfuglien for a prospect and a pick because i think 3 mil is a lot for 34 points and maybe a good playoff series.

 

[Dupster]

I agree that 3m is overpaying Buff, but, can't be argued that he'd add something to the Canucks lineup. Not like it's Sundin at 10m per we're talking about here.

 

[scottflyers88]

well i do not know their cap situation. it might be worth while to get someone at 3 mil who produces.

 

[Dupster]

Canucks had NO problem "producing" last year. Most goals in the entire conference, second only to Washington in the league.

What they need is some big bodies who can crash and bang..... with a little bit of hands and speed to go with it. Love Burrows and Kesler, but, aside from agitating it's not like anybody is looking over their shoulder when they're on the ice.

 

[scottflyers88]

sounds like they need defense. why do they need a big body everyone is afraid of? seems like their offense is set. they need defense.

 

[filosofy29]

In my humble opinion the reason why you don't trade a pick and a prospect (especially if you're in the Western Conference) is because you can have these guys for free after July 1st. Obviously there's a gamble in that you have to battle all the other teams that are interested in there services for them.....however, why trade a 1st for something you can conceivably get for nothing (other than money)? I'd say that the Blackhawks should be happy with a 3rd rounder and no prospect personally.

They put themselves in this trouble.....don't help them out of it.

 

[Dupster]

sounds like they need defense. why do they need a big body everyone is afraid of? seems like their offense is set. they need defense.

Agreed, however, up until last season the D was a major plus for Vancouver, the secondary scoring was the problem. Situation reversed last regular season, but, mostly due to a decimated blueline.

I do agree that Canucks should dip into the UFA market for D-men, not necessarily Buff, but, the Canucks are not a very large team up front, and got pushed around quite easily by Chicago.

 

[Dupster]

In my humble opinion the reason why you don't trade a pick and a prospect (especially if you're in the Western Conference) is because you can have these guys for free after July 1st. Obviously there's a gamble in that you have to battle all the other teams that are interested in there services for them.....however, why trade a 1st for something you can conceivably get for nothing (other than money)? I'd say that the Blackhawks should be happy with a 3rd rounder and no prospect personally.

They put themselves in this trouble.....don't help them out of it.

Sign and trade is a possibility, but, ya, for someone like Buff I'd just wait another week for UFA to open up, too.

 

[puckhead]

sounds like they need defense. why do they need a big body everyone is afraid of? seems like their offense is set. they need defense.

we need a couple of defensemen (especially if Mtchell leaves), but Dup is right on that point.... we do definitely need an intimidator.
Rypien is a giant killer, but he plays 4 minutes a game. Hordichuk has been ineffective, and Glass is useless.
We were pushed around at times, especially when the powerplay fizzled. We do need someone to throw 200+ hits, but not for $3 million.