If every team in your division merged to make a super team

[SJ76]

Harold,


I think their might be a few in here PMSing. The cirlce of madness is quite obvious.

 

[SJ76]

The NFC North plays in a blow up doll division.. There's just not alot of fight back on defense.

 

[HaroldSeattle]

Harold,


I think their might be a few in here PMSing. The cirlce of madness is quite obvious.

SJ76,
You might be on to some thing there, because I can't follow their logic at all. It does kind of remind me of arguing with the wife at that time of the month. Better to just nod your head and move along.

 

[NinerSickness]

The NFC North plays in a blow up doll division.. There's just not alot of fight back on defense.

I think I would've gotten the point without the pic' of the dude mounting a blowup doll.

 

[Jim Rome is Flaming]

Because I don't look at stats. Facts and unbiased rankings huh? LMAO
Funny you still haven't found an O-line for your NFC North yet.. You just throw out BS stats.

I haven't? Check post #296.

Does the NFC North play in the NFC West? No they don't and if they did they would not have such a good O-line % and be "ranked" so high would they. Try using some common sense here.

See the level of competition each team plays is different.

So your argument is that teams in the North would give up more sacks if they played in the West? That's funny, because in the 4 NFCN vs. NFCW games, the NFCW had a total of 6 sacks, 1.5 per game. (for the record, the NFCN also had 6 sacks in those 4 games)

Outside those 4 games, the NFCN teams have given up 110 sacks in 52 games, over 2 per game. So if the North had played more games against the West, they would have actually given up less sacks. Oh, but your common sense doesn't agree with that, so it must be a BS stat right?

The NFC West schedule is brutal. I can't help you if you are a stat geek. If you really think Chicago and Minnesota have the best O-line because of a flipping % BASED on their opponents, then you have not a clue!

When you have 3 team out of 4 in the playoffs, then you might understand. You cannot based everything on stats. LOL NFC West has 4 solid defenses. So of course stats are going to be biased.

The NFC North had 3 teams with 10 or more wins last year. I'm aware of what a tough schedule is. And I'm not basing everything on stats. I'm showing you that when I hear how the NFCW would have a great line, and the NFCN's would be garbage, that's a load of BS.

 

[Jim Rome is Flaming]

SJ76,
You might be on to some thing there, because I can't follow their logic at all. It does kind of remind me of arguing with the wife at that time of the month. Better to just nod your head and move along.

Arguing must be fun when you just aimlessly spew rhetoric. Some people prefer to make arguments based in fact. To each his own I guess.

 

[HaroldSeattle]

Arguing must be fun when you just aimlessly spew rhetoric. Some people prefer to make arguments based in fact. To each his own I guess.

The facts are the NFC West has more talent top to bottom, as shown on the field of play. There is no disputing that.

 

[SJ76]

I think I would've gotten the point without the pic' of the dude mounting a
blowup doll.

LMAO

The NFC North had 3 teams with 10 or more wins last year.

I'm sorry did you say last year again?? Hilarious. And how far did they get?

Arguing must be fun when you just aimlessly spew rhetoric. Some people prefer
to make arguments based in fact.

Fact is Jack that the Rams beat your NFC North's leader in 1st place ass! That's a fact. Your other BS stats are hilarious! Bears are a top 5 O-line!!! But they got their ass manhandled by the last place team in the NFC West.

Fact

Fact is the NFC North schedule is not nearly as hard as it is playing in the NFC West. So your STATS.. YES. Are biased.


Thanks for playing

 

[SJ76]

I'm showing you that when I hear how the NFCW would have a great line, and
the NFCN's would be garbage, that's a load of BS.

Which NO ONE ever said. Our O-line would be ok. Our D-line, front 7, and secondary would be monsters.

 

[HaroldSeattle]

Arguing must be fun when you just aimlessly spew rhetoric. Some people prefer to make arguments based in fact. To each his own I guess.

Mmmm I showed you the standing and the head to head games results. I would say those were facts. The west has shown on the field they have more talent, and its not even close, if you check the results.

Aimless rhetoric is trying to spin the results on the field of play and saying it would be different if the teams in each division merged. That just doesn't make sense. Sorry if it I got carried away, but I just don't see how NFC North posters can argue what has actual happened on the field.

 

[LPinSLC]

Record is just not apples to apples. You can only field 11 players in each phase of the game. What you are proving is that as a whole the NFCW is a better conference. I'd agree that it is. That doesn't mean then that they could field a better 11 players except likely on defense.

 

[HaroldSeattle]

Record is just not apples to apples. You can only field 11 players in each phase of the game. What you are proving is that as a whole the NFCW is a better conference. I'd agree that it is. That doesn't mean then that they could field a better 11 players except likely on defense.

It doesn't mean they couldn't either. When the last place team in the NFC West thumps what is for now the best team in the North (the Bears) it hard to believe the North could field a better 11 men, even on offense. The north is a offensive minded division that throws a heck of a lot and puts up gaudy #s. That great for FF, not so much for real football. I remember someone saying not one WR in the West could start on the North, basing that on stats of course. Larry Fitzgerald is the best receiver after Calvin Johnson and I don't care what the stats say. He hasn't had a great QB since Kurt Warner and the Cards OL most of these last few years have been really bad. Still if your team played against him twice a year, you would find out he still a great WR. Of course stats would not back that up, because with what he has had to work with, it's hard to put up gaudy #s.
Look this thread is a what if thread, so there is no answer that going to make everyone happy and there is no definitive answer. It's been a fun thread. Kind of nice change of pace thread, a little different then the usual. However I think it's has run its course. The NFC West rules

 

[LPinSLC]

I think very highly of Fitz. He'd absolutely start in the North.

It's all hypothetical. Considering all of the information, IMO, I'd say the North would have the best offense and the West the best defense. As to who would win the matchup? We'll never know but it sure would be a fun battle to watch.

 

[Jim Rome is Flaming]

Fact is Jack that the Rams beat your NFC North's leader in 1st place ass! That's a fact. Your other BS stats are hilarious! Bears are a top 5 O-line!!! But they got their ass manhandled by the last place team in the NFC West.

Fact

I'm starting to think you may have a case of the downs. If you think the Bears offensive line "got their ass manhandled", how do you explain the WHOPPING 1 sack the Rams had on the Bears 47 pass attempts? Or the fact that Forte averaged 4.8 yards per carry? Oh, It's because you aren't one of those stat nerds right? Fucking dumbass

 

[darken65]

This thread is still going on?!?! Well ,have have with it. It comes a time when all arguements are done and the thread just reguritates...we are at that point.

 

[Jim Rome is Flaming]

Which NO ONE ever said. Our O-line would be ok. Our D-line, front 7, and secondary would be monsters.

Wrong again kiddo. Post #320.

 

[Octoberfest23]

OFFENSE

QB- Ben Roethlisberger/Joe Flacco
RB- Ray Rice/Le'Veon Bell
RB- Giovanni Bernard/Chris Ogbonnaya
WR- A.J. Green/Antonio Brown
WR- Josh Gordon/Torrey Smith
TE- Jordan Cameron/Heath Miller
TE- Jermaine Gresham/Dennis Pitta
LT- Joe Thomas
LG- Marshal Yanda
C- Alex Mack
RG- David DeCastro
RT- Andrew Whitworth

DEFENSE

DE- Michael Johnson/Carlos Dunlap
DT- Geno Atkins/Phil Taylor
NT- Haloti Ngata/Athyba Rubin
DE- Desmond Bryant/Chris Canty
OLB- Elvis Dumervil/Vontaze Burfict
ILB- LaMarr Woodley
MLB- D'Qwell Jackson
SLB- Terrell Suggs/Paul Kruger
CB- Joe Haden/Leon Hall
CB- Lardarius Webb/Ike Taylor
SS- T.J. Ward/Troy Polamalu
FS- Tashaun Gipson/Ryan Clark

 

[SonnyCID]

The only way to handle big receivers is by getting physical with them at the line. You give them free releases and they eat you up. This is where I like the NFCW's defense in this matchup. They would be very deep and could challenge these guys at the LOS all game by rotating guys all throughout the defense and have an unbelievable stable of passrushers. Offenses cant just rotate guys in and out to keep fresh, defenses can.

 

[SonnyCID]

NFC North teams are ranked 4, 5, 8, 20 in yards per carry. NFC West teams are ranked 10, 12, 14, 28.
2013 NFL Team Rushing Stats - National Football League - ESPN

In terms of pass blocking NFC North teams are ranked 2, 3, 13, 26. NFC West teams are ranked 16, 17, 22, 28. In terms of run blocking, NFC North teams are ranked 9, 11, 15, 25. NFC West teams are ranked 5, 12, 23, 30.
This is all according to Football Outsiders, through week 14 of the 2013 season.
FOOTBALL OUTSIDERS: Innovative Statistics, Intelligent Analysis | 2013 OFFENSIVE LINES

So it looks like not only does the NFC North have better pass blocking lines than the West, it also has better run blocking lines than the West. If you want a proposed starting 5, here it is.

LT: Matt Kalil
LG: Josh Sitton
C: Dominic Raiola
RG: Kyle Long
RT: Phil Loadholt

So, if we use cohesiveness as an argument for o-lines, couldn't we use it for the overall teams? If so, the NFCW has much more cohesive team as evidenced by the records. Hell, the 3rd best team in the NFCW has a better record than the best team in the NFCN. And the worst team in the NFCW would still be in playoff contention if they were in the NFCN.

And since we're leaning on FOO:

Team efficiency
FOOTBALL OUTSIDERS: Innovative Statistics, Intelligent Analysis | 2013 TEAM EFFICIENCY RATINGS

NFCW average team ranking:9.25
NFCN average team ranking:16.5

Offense
http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/teamoff
NFCW average ranking:15.57
NFCN average ranking:13

Defense
http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/teamdef
NFCW average ranking:6.25
NFCN average ranking:22.75

So if we are to believe that the NFCN can put together a more cohesive line based on FOO rankings, cant we come to the conclusion that the NFCW can put together a better team based on the same rankings?

 

[Rvnight18]

here is an idea, why doesn't the north tell me which lineman from the north would start over a lineman from the west at each position.