If Bridgewater is there @ 14, do you take him?

[63bears40]

The other side of it is the DT in football does not normally have a long career. One can argue that Suh's future is all down hill from here.

I think Suh has a few good years in him . He has no injury history.
Just think he has to clean up his act. To be wanted by other teams.
Nobody wants a cancer.

 

[anotheridiot]

I think Suh has a few good years in him . He has no injury history.
Just think he has to clean up his act. To be wanted by other teams.
Nobody wants a cancer.

yeah, few. He is just getting to the money in this deal Ndamukong Suh Salary Cap, Contracts, Salaries, Cap Hits, & News Profile look at these numbers. We learned last year franchise DT was 8.6 million melton got. His dead money is just unbearable. He is giving up the 125k, but I doubt he will defer any more of his bonus money that has been restructured already and this cap hit of 22.4 million is just unbelievable. The lions are paying for that last deal now. I mean doesnt this show something negative on his thought process to be screaming at the highest paid year in his career? It almost seems like the lions can say fine, you want a new deal, we will pay you 12 million per year for 4 years and they would end up paying what they are paying for the next 2.

I just think the bears have made so many improvements on defense this off season that it opened the door to take bridgewater at 14. Look at the redskins and cousins. Every year its what can we get for this guy. If Jay does not get this team to the nfc title game by next year and the super bowl after, thanks for the three years we guaranteed you, either backup the kid or move along.

 

[63bears40]

yeah, few. He is just getting to the money in this deal Ndamukong Suh Salary Cap, Contracts, Salaries, Cap Hits, & News Profile look at these numbers. We learned last year franchise DT was 8.6 million melton got. His dead money is just unbearable. He is giving up the 125k, but I doubt he will defer any more of his bonus money that has been restructured already and this cap hit of 22.4 million is just unbelievable. The lions are paying for that last deal now. I mean doesnt this show something negative on his thought process to be screaming at the highest paid year in his career? It almost seems like the lions can say fine, you want a new deal, we will pay you 12 million per year for 4 years and they would end up paying what they are paying for the next 2.

I just think the bears have made so many improvements on defense this off season that it opened the door to take bridgewater at 14. Look at the redskins and cousins. Every year its what can we get for this guy. If Jay does not get this team to the nfc title game by next year and the super bowl after, thanks for the three years we guaranteed you, either backup the kid or move along.

I'm not a Jay hater. But think Drafting Teddy ( if he's there ) , is a good move for the future. Either QB would bring more than a 1rst in a trade. Just think it makes sense from an organization point of view.

 

[63bears40]

Teddy Bridgewater: My game tape outweighs my pro day - NFL.com

 

[blh7068]

I dont see how the Bears can dedicate that much cap dollar to one position. Cutler just got a large deal to be the starter. Choosing TB means a mid first round contract will be given to a player who (by design)wont see the field for at a minimum several seasons. The Bears need to see immediate returns from those selected with their high draft picks. That said, those impact players need to be for the defense. Yes, building for the future is important, however the stark reality is its a win-now league.

 

[63bears40]

I dont see how the Bears can dedicate that much cap dollar to one position. Cutler just got a large deal to be the starter. Choosing TB means a mid first round contract will be given to a player who (by design)wont see the field for at a minimum several seasons. The Bears need to see immediate returns from those selected with their high draft picks. That said, those impact players need to be for the defense. Yes, building for the future is important, however the stark reality is its a win-now league.

I tend to agree. Just started this post , for slow season discussion.
I doubt TB is available @ 14. I'm a Donald guy.
Just saying what if .
Say he falls to us, and a team below us wants him . A Pre-planned draft & trade wouldn't be an outlandish idea. Might get us an extra D player or 2.

 

[blh7068]

I tend to agree. Just started this post , for slow season discussion.
I doubt TB is available @ 14. I'm a Donald guy.
Just saying what if .
Say he falls to us, and a team below us wants him . A Pre-planned draft & trade wouldn't be an outlandish idea. Might get us an extra D player or 2.

If that were to happen, that tells me the interest in Donald was simply smoke.
If a teams first choice is available when they select, they take him. I really dont think a team would pass up on "their guy" only to wind up settling for someone that graded out lower than him, and extra picks.

 

[NCChiFan]

Again, no way we pick a QB high in this draft, I don't care of every QB is available when we pick at 14. We have holes we could still drive a mac truck through on this D. Safety, CB, DT... We need bodies and in the case of DT, several bodies in these positions with growth potential and in a couple of these position starting necessity. I don't see the Bear wasting a chance at a starter at Safety on a sit the bench and watch for a year or two or three QB.

 

[cubzzzfanincali]

If we draft a CB, he won't be a starter this year. But that doesn't mean we shouldn't draft a CB. In fact, Gilbert is my number one hope for who we take.

If we draft a DT this year, he also will not start this year. A DT will get into the rotation some, but his use will be moderate.

If we draft a safety this year, that player does have a chance to start, although even a first rounder is no guarantee. Of course, we could draft a second or third rounder and they would also have a chance to start.

The draft is not going to solve the Bears D issues in 2014. It simply won't. Even if we don't draft a QB and they are available, that calculus is unchanged. I think you are looking at the draft all wrong.

 

[NCChiFan]

If we draft a CB, he won't be a starter this year. But that doesn't mean we shouldn't draft a CB. In fact, Gilbert is my number one hope for who we take.

If we draft a DT this year, he also will not start this year. A DT will get into the rotation some, but his use will be moderate.

If we draft a safety this year, that player does have a chance to start, although even a first rounder is no guarantee. Of course, we could draft a second or third rounder and they would also have a chance to start.

The draft is not going to solve the Bears D issues in 2014. It simply won't. Even if we don't draft a QB and they are available, that calculus is unchanged. I think you are looking at the draft all wrong.

While I agree, we have our starting 2 CB's, the notion that old man Tillman can last a full season is a bit far fetched. We will need someone to step and play CB at some point during the season, which is my guess.

IF and I stress IF we get a first round 3 tech DT (ok Donald only) I could see him beating out Collins to start with Ratliff next to him at NT. In fact, if the Bears draft Nix, I could see Ratliff over at 3 tech and Nix starting at NT beating out Paea.

Yes Safety, we could pick two safeties and they beat out what we have, though I have read some nice reviews on Mundy, he actually could be very solid at Safety.

 

[63bears40]

If we draft a CB, he won't be a starter this year. But that doesn't mean we shouldn't draft a CB. In fact, Gilbert is my number one hope for who we take.

If we draft a DT this year, he also will not start this year. A DT will get into the rotation some, but his use will be moderate.

If we draft a safety this year, that player does have a chance to start, although even a first rounder is no guarantee. Of course, we could draft a second or third rounder and they would also have a chance to start.

The draft is not going to solve the Bears D issues in 2014. It simply won't. Even if we don't draft a QB and they are available, that calculus is unchanged. I think you are looking at the draft all wrong.[/QUOTE]

If they get Gilbert, my thoughts are he'd be our starting nickle . Till Peanut goes down.

Bold: Just creating some slow season chatter on the board.
Really want Donald & Buccanon ( spelling ? ) 1,2.
But Pryor & Nix ( Knee passes all tests ) , wouldn't be bad either.
The QB chatter got alot views & responses. I think I was successful there.
Just like to talk football . Even if it calls for a what if post.

 

[63bears40]

If that were to happen, that tells me the interest in Donald was simply smoke.
If a teams first choice is available when they select, they take him. I really dont think a team would pass up on "their guy" only to wind up settling for someone that graded out lower than him, and extra picks.

What if Donald is off the board. Which seems a strong possibility. The Giants, Lovie , & StL, all pick ahead of us and are D oriented. Wouldn't they like a DT who can rush the passer? Dallas DL was hit badly w/injury last yr. They'd be my favorite to move up to grab Donald. Especially w/Rod getting promoted to DC.
Just saying Donald isn't a guarantee @ 14 . We better have other options.

 

[anotheridiot]

I'm not a Jay hater. But think Drafting Teddy ( if he's there ) , is a good move for the future. Either QB would bring more than a 1rst in a trade. Just think it makes sense from an organization point of view.

Just reading that most dont think a CB or DT will start this year anyway, I think the best player available starts to come to the table. I have as much confidence with Cutler taking all snaps this season as most have confidence that Tillman will be in for every play. Gilbert will at least be out kick returner, but I doubt he falls to 14. No gilbert, no donald, no 3-4 means no nix who might fall to second round anyway, if Pryor is gone, how do you determine value on what we hope is the highest pick we have in the next 5 years.

 

[leomaz]

How can you expect to trade Bridgewater for more than a #1 if he doesn't play? Drafting him and thinking you are gonna recieve a kings ransom for him is asinine

 

[cubzzzfanincali]

How can you expect to trade Bridgewater for more than a #1 if he doesn't play? Drafting him and thinking you are gonna recieve a kings ransom for him is asinine

At the risk of pointing out the obvious, the assumption is that he will play when Cutler misses his standard few games a year (here come the Cutler-is-never-injured arrows). Now, maybe that doesn't happen, or he plays poorly when he does get in there, but I don't think anyone expects to get anything from a QB that never plays.

NFL teams that think a QB may be a potential solid starter go apeshit. There are lots of examples, just recent history look at Matt Flynn (who got a $20 million contract after only completing 100 NFL passes), Matt Cassel (who the Patriots got a 34th pick for AFTER having essentially used their last bit of control over him i.e. the franchise tag), Carson Palmer (my God just keep Oakland on speed dial), Kevin Kolb (Rodgers-Cromartie and a 2nd which they turned into Vinny Curry and Brandon Boykin, two of their rising defensive starters...what a steal for Philly), a totally washed up McNabb (I know Nate Allen was one, I forget who else they got from their other draft pick), Charlie Whitehurst, and I'm sure there were other significant QB trades I can't recall offhand.

Teams go crazy for QBs because QBs are so important to the game. Look what we sacrificed for Cutler. I know it isn't apples-for-apples, every case is different, but the plain truth is that if you've got a guy other teams think may be able to start for them, that's the biggest blue chip asset there is in the whole league. Period.

But relax, this is all just academic. Odds are 99-1 against Emery drafting Bridgewater. He's too busy packaging that pick in a Ndamakong Suh trade with Detroit. (kidding)

 

[anotheridiot]

How can you expect to trade Bridgewater for more than a #1 if he doesn't play? Drafting him and thinking you are gonna recieve a kings ransom for him is asinine

you might want to check the last few seasons of washington and their cousins.

 

[anotheridiot]

At the risk of pointing out the obvious, the assumption is that he will play when Cutler misses his standard few games a year (here come the Cutler-is-never-injured arrows). Now, maybe that doesn't happen, or he plays poorly when he does get in there, but I don't think anyone expects to get anything from a QB that never plays.

NFL teams that think a QB may be a potential solid starter go apeshit. There are lots of examples, just recent history look at Matt Flynn (who got a $20 million contract after only completing 100 NFL passes), Matt Cassel (who the Patriots got a 34th pick for AFTER having essentially used their last bit of control over him i.e. the franchise tag), Carson Palmer (my God just keep Oakland on speed dial), Kevin Kolb (Rodgers-Cromartie and a 2nd which they turned into Vinny Curry and Brandon Boykin, two of their rising defensive starters...what a steal for Philly), a totally washed up McNabb (I know Nate Allen was one, I forget who else they got from their other draft pick), Charlie Whitehurst, and I'm sure there were other significant QB trades I can't recall offhand.

Teams go crazy for QBs because QBs are so important to the game. Look what we sacrificed for Cutler. I know it isn't apples-for-apples, every case is different, but the plain truth is that if you've got a guy other teams think may be able to start for them, that's the biggest blue chip asset there is in the whole league. Period.

But relax, this is all just academic. Odds are 99-1 against Emery drafting Bridgewater. He's too busy packaging that pick in a Ndamakong Suh trade with Detroit. (kidding)

all your points are only followed by a huge ! because the quarterback guru trestman has been training him to succeed. My view is we dont ever expect the bears to pick as high as 14 for the next decade unless they make huge trades. Cutler is not Favre and Rodgers wasnt hurt by waiting three years.

 

[63bears40]

Just reading that most dont think a CB or DT will start this year anyway, I think the best player available starts to come to the table. I have as much confidence with Cutler taking all snaps this season as most have confidence that Tillman will be in for every play. Gilbert will at least be out kick returner, but I doubt he falls to 14. No gilbert, no donald, no 3-4 means no nix who might fall to second round anyway, if Pryor is gone, how do you determine value on what we hope is the highest pick we have in the next 5 years.

JMO, I think Donald , Jernigan & Nix ( if healthy ) all start day 1, I'd throw Hageman in there as well (If he takes the job professionally ). Gilbert, & Mich. St kid ( i keep fogetting his name ), will also be day 1 starters. Don't know where you get your info from. But I'd find a new source.
We need SAFETIES.

 

[Peter Gozintite]

JMO, I think Donald , Jernigan & Nix ( if healthy ) all start day 1, I'd throw Hageman in there as well (If he takes the job professionally ). Gilbert, & Mich. St kid ( i keep fogetting his name ), will also be day 1 starters. Don't know where you get your info from. But I'd find a new source.
We need SAFETIES.

I like it for drunk posting, it makes sense for my drunk reading

 

[63bears40]

I like it for drunk posting, it makes sense for my drunk reading

I'm about 65% sober. Give me an hour or 2.