I'd rather have Tristan or Whiteside Poll

[dtgold88]

I'd like to see a lot of things, but the world isn't perfect so you do the best you can with what you have.
If we get Westbrook, Butler and keep Bam, Herro… then I am 100% happy with whatever else happens, regardless of how it happens.

I would be too.

 

[TurnUpTheHeat]

Long rant to say I was wrong.

Is that the title to you and Wiggys autobiographies?

 

[TurnUpTheHeat]

I would be too.

Then why go through 100 'what if' scenarios regarding how they hopefully get there?

 

[TurnUpTheHeat]

Who said otherwise? Just saying it's foolish to think HW was an asset in the deal. If he was you would have simply answered the question and said B.

You didn't.

He was an asset involved in the deal because Portland wanted him and split his salary in 2, which allowed the Heat to move 1.

It isn't really that hard.

 

[Heatles84]

This would make sense if HW went to Philly. He went in a separate deal to Portland though. If he were any good the 1st would have gone back to Miami.

This doesn't make any sense. Philly didn't have the assets that they were willing to give up to get HW. Plus, I don't know why you'd want to have Embiid, Horford and Whiteside on your roster.

 

[dtgold88]

Then why go through 100 'what if' scenarios regarding how they hopefully get there?

Just offseason discussion. Probably would have been less pages had no one said foolish things like KW was an asset needed to acquire Butler for instance.

 

[dtgold88]

He was an asset involved in the deal because Portland wanted him and split his salary in 2, which allowed the Heat to move 1.

It isn't really that hard.

If they didn't have him the deal still gets done. If he's an asset needed to get the deal done that would not be the case.

 

[dtgold88]

This doesn't make any sense. Philly didn't have the assets that they were willing to give up to get HW. Plus, I don't know why you'd want to have Embiid, Horford and Whiteside on your roster.

Talk about not making sense. Philly didn't want Whiteside. If a team really wanted him it would not require taking a 1st with him to get him.

 

[Heatles84]

Talk about not making sense. Philly didn't want Whiteside. If a team really wanted him it would not require taking a 1st with him to get him.

Of course they didn't want Whiteside, they have Embiid and Horford. Why would you want a 3rd highly paid center on your roster?

I know you're trying to make a point, and used Philly in your hypothetical scenario. But this team you picked didn't help your cause. At all.

 

[dtgold88]

Of course they didn't want Whiteside, they have Embiid and Horford. Why would you want a 3rd highly paid center on your roster?

I know you're trying to make a point, and used Philly in your hypothetical scenario. But this team you picked didn't help your cause. At all.

Only because you don't understand. I replied to your comment........

Depends on the context. TT could be moved to help out a contender potentially, or any other potential scenario. We already discussed why Whiteside was moved - to get Jimmy Butler. So of course the Heat had to take a bad contract back (which expires after this season).

Moving whiteside was because he was a hindrance. Not an asset. Mentioned Philly because that's where whiteside would have needed to go for your comment to make sense.

 

[Mebert]

Do you not understand the difference between a trade and FA?

I do, that is why I know Butler signed with the 76ers and was traded to the Heat. Do you honestly think Butler was a FA signing for the Heat and not part of the 4 team trade?

 

[Wamu]

You think Mozgov helped the Lakers get Lebron, too?

You're

To even ask such a stupid question shows just how idiotic you can be. Where have I ever said anything like that? You really should stop creating your own incorrect reality.

 

[Wamu]

Great...you answered. Bravo.

Now this one....Did Mozgov help the Lakers get Lebron?

There's soemthing wrong w/ you. Stop drinking directly outta Lake Erie. It's fucking your head up.

 

[HurricaneDij39]

You weren't asked for a nice comparison.

But you sure do use a lot of words to not answer questions.

@WiggyRuss rants are epic.

The ultimate point here though is that in order to move Whiteside's bad contract, Miami had to attach a first rounder just to take back another questionable contract that's still pretty bad in Meyers Leonard.

It probably don't mean too much in the long run (other than the fact that the cHeat will have limited draft capital for the foreseeable future)... It is, however, reflective on just how reckless that particular franchise had spent on just OK players.

Wiggy is 100% right in that Miami landed Butler in spite of Whiteside's contract and not because of it.

 

[Stakesarehigh]

Give me Javale McGee for my money

 

[TurnUpTheHeat]

@WiggyRuss rants are epic.

The ultimate point here though is that in order to move Whiteside's bad contract, Miami had to attach a first rounder just to take back another questionable contract that's still pretty bad in Meyers Leonard.

It probably don't mean too much in the long run (other than the fact that the cHeat will have limited draft capital for the foreseeable future)... It is, however, reflective on just how reckless that particular franchise had spent on just OK players.

Wiggy is 100% right in that Miami landed Butler in spite of Whiteside's contract and not because of it.

Not true. Fake news.
Original trade pieces didn't include Whiteside.
It was Dragic or combo of Olynyk/Jones Jr.
If Riley was willing to give Dallas what they wanted, he could have created enough space for Butler without moving Whiteside.

Since he didn't want to give Dallas what they wanted, he went in a different direction, BUT, Portland took Whiteside even up for the 2 players without compensation.

 

[WiggyRuss]

Just offseason discussion. Probably would have been less pages had no one said foolish things like KW was an asset needed to acquire Butler for instance.

exactly.

they would have been better off not having Whiteside at all. He was an obstacle to obtaining Jimmy Buthole, not an asset. Its lik saying Igaudala was an asset to getting Russell or Mozgov was an asset to get LeBron James- its delusional.

the Cavs had to get the Celtics to take on JArret Jacks contract in order to sign LeBron---- its like saying Jarret Jack HELPED the Cavs get LeBron when he was an obstacle in the way.

I mean, i cant even fathom how much @TurnUpTheHeat has to lie to himself to twist the logic into thinking that Whiteside actually helped acquire Butler. Its 100% delusional

 

[WiggyRuss]

Not true. Fake news.
Original trade pieces didn't include Whiteside.
It was Dragic or combo of Olynyk/Jones Jr.
If Riley was willing to give Dallas what they wanted, he could have created enough space for Butler without moving Whiteside.

Since he didn't want to give Dallas what they wanted, he went in a different direction, BUT, Portland took Whiteside even up for the 2 players without compensation.

just like the Suns took Tyler Johnson for Ryan Anderesons awful contract.

trading awful contracts for eachother for guys that have the same amount of years--- ESPECIALLY for a guy like Leonard who is going to be a deep deep bench player at BEST

There is no way in hell you couldve offloaded 27M of Whiteside for a single first rounder---- they basically had to split his contract into 2 smaller pieces to get a team to take half of it.

and NO one was happier than Spoelstra to see that bag of shit leave. lol

 

[TurnUpTheHeat]

exactly.

they would have been better off not having Whiteside at all. He was an obstacle to obtaining Jimmy Buthole, not an asset. Its lik saying Igaudala was an asset to getting Russell or Mozgov was an asset to get LeBron James- its delusional.

the Cavs had to get the Celtics to take on JArret Jacks contract in order to sign LeBron---- its like saying Jarret Jack HELPED the Cavs get LeBron when he was an obstacle in the way.

I mean, i cant even fathom how much @TurnUpTheHeat has to lie to himself to twist the logic into thinking that Whiteside actually helped acquire Butler. Its 100% delusional

If you are still rehashing moves from 3 years ago, and saying they might have had cap space if they signed other players, then yes, you would be correct.
But life doesnt work that way.
So, end of the day, it was a better move for the Heat to make the Portland trade and then the Clipper trade to clear space vs give Dallas what they wanted, or move Dragic.

 

[TurnUpTheHeat]

just like the Suns took Tyler Johnson for Ryan Anderesons awful contract.

trading awful contracts for eachother for guys that have the same amount of years--- ESPECIALLY for a guy like Leonard who is going to be a deep deep bench player at BEST

There is no way in hell you couldve offloaded 27M of Whiteside for a single first rounder---- they basically had to split his contract into 2 smaller pieces to get a team to take half of it.

and NO one was happier than Spoelstra to see that bag of shit leave. lol

Who the fuck ever suggested that Whiteside could be traded for a first rounder?

And Spoelstra probably is happy.
Happy he has Bam.
Whiteside will be FINE for Portland.