I'd rather have Tristan or Whiteside Poll

[dtgold88]

Just about every team is over the cap and would have to dump stuff to take a max contract. Very few teams could have signed Butler straight up. So we agree that like just about everyone else, players need to go to get a max contract signed.

Warriors had to give up Iguodala and 2 firsts to get Russell. That is what it takes to add a max contract when you are over the cap.

I don't want me proving you wrong so completely here to take away from the fact that your original claim that the Heat took a bunch of bad salary back is still wrong.

McFly......did you forget in giving up Iggy and a pick they got back DLo? In giving up whiteside and a pick they got back Meyer's Leonard.

 

[Mebert]

You said they could not succeed without a rim protector along with TT. Either you think Love was a rim protector or they did not succeed.

Lie, dance, deflect, distort. You cannot overcome that foolish comment.

But I'll laugh watching you try.

Enjoy all that laughing, but know everyone else is laughing at you not with you.

All championships teams have some flaws. Everybody knows the Cavs flaw was post defense, which was because of the TT Love Pairing was not good. The Cavs team overall was still the best despite that flaw. Your belief that all flaws are no longer real because a championship was won is childlike at best.

 

[Mebert]

McFly......did you forget in giving up Iggy and a pick they got back DLo? In giving up whiteside and a pick they got back Meyer's Leonard.

Leonard and Jimmy Butler

 

[dtgold88]

So, you're bloviating that the Heat traded Whiteside for cap space and the real asset given up is Josh Richardson and a 1st round pick (that was likely going to be in the teens), for an all-star player? And we had to take on Meyers Leonard, whom is an expiring contract?

This ain't it, bud.

I for one think it was a move they should have made and good for them for acquiring Butler.....but doesn't take away the fact no one wanted HW and Miami was better off never signing him.

 

[dtgold88]

Enjoy all that laughing, but know everyone else is laughing at you not with you.

All championships teams have some flaws. Everybody knows the Cavs flaw was post defense, which was because of the TT Love Pairing was not good. The Cavs team overall was still the best despite that flaw. Your belief that all flaws are no longer real because a championship was won is childlike at best.

you - "no team can succeed unless they pair TT with a shot blocker"

Apparently in your world a title but being near the bottom in perimeter defense is a failure?

 

[dtgold88]

Still a lot of words to not answer the question you were asked.

what did he say you disagree with? Do you not get the difference between HW and Richardson and their part in getting Butler?

Are you thinking Mozgov helped you get Lebron?

KW = Mozgov

 

[dtgold88]

Nope, that entire argument has been about the original claim the the Heat took a ton of bad salary back in the trade. After he moved the goal post several times pointing out other things I added that every team over the cap has to sacrifice to add a max contract. Using the Warriors addition of Russell for the example.

*what did the Clips sacrifice to add Kawhi (not PG)?
*What did the Cavs sacrifice to bring Lebron back in 2014?
*What did Brooklyn sacrifice to add Durant/Kyrie (and don't say DLo as that was their choice)

 

[Mebert]

*what did the Clips sacrifice to add Kawhi (not PG)?
*What did the Cavs sacrifice to bring Lebron back in 2014?
*What did Brooklyn sacrifice to add Durant/Kyrie (and don't say DLo as that was their choice)

Is your point that teams that have the cap space to sign a max player outright do not have to sacrifice anything to sign them?

 

[TurnUpTheHeat]

I for one think it was a move they should have made and good for them for acquiring Butler.....but doesn't take away the fact no one wanted HW and Miami was better off never signing him.

Portland obviously wanted him.

 

[trojanfan12]

what did he say you disagree with? Do you not get the difference between HW and Richardson and their part in getting Butler?

Are you thinking Mozgov helped you get Lebron?

KW = Mozgov

lol

You don't know the question that was asked either apparently.

 

[Mebert]

you - "no team can succeed unless they pair TT with a shot blocker"

Apparently in your world a title but being near the bottom in perimeter defense is a failure?

What I actually said

He has to be paired with a rim protecting stretch player to work. He requires a very particular fit.

Flawed pairing is not the same thing as team success. You can have a successful team and still have flaws. The Cavs layup line in the paint is because of the pairing.

 

[TurnUpTheHeat]

*what did the Clips sacrifice to add Kawhi (not PG)?
*What did the Cavs sacrifice to bring Lebron back in 2014?
*What did Brooklyn sacrifice to add Durant/Kyrie (and don't say DLo as that was their choice)

Clippers had to get rid of Blake and CP3 , and Harris to create room.

Cavs got lucky with 1.7% chance to secure Love, then had to dump a few contracts.

Not sure what Brooklyn did to create space.

 

[dtgold88]

Leonard and Jimmy Butler

Do you not understand the difference between a trade and FA?

 

[dtgold88]

What I actually said


Flawed pairing is not the same thing as team success. You can have a successful team and still have flaws. The Cavs layup line in the paint is because of the pairing.

Of course...all teams do have flaws. But this flawed team won a title. It worked. You were wrong.

 

[dtgold88]

Clippers had to get rid of Blake and CP3 , and Harris to create room.

Cavs got lucky with 1.7% chance to secure Love, then had to dump a few contracts.

Not sure what Brooklyn did to create space.

Maybe they got rid of Blake and CP3 because they reached their limit with them because they could not count on them in the playoffs? Not as though they went further with those guys than they did without.

Likely no matter where the Cavs picked the player was going to Minny, but that was irrelevant as we were talking about Lebron.

Dumping contracts is a sacrifice? You think losing HW was a sacrifice?

 

[dtgold88]

Haven't read many of the comments. Is wiggy talking outta his ass again? I mean that fella's had nonstop issues about Whiteside for a couple of years. So I doubt if his opinion on this topic is unbiased.

You think Mozgov helped the Lakers get Lebron, too?

 

[dtgold88]

So we gave up a 1st round pick that would've been in the teens at best, and took on an expiring contract. So what's the big deal again?

Was the right move....but the idea Whiteside was needed to "help" you get Butler is absurd. Disagree?

 

[dtgold88]

I believe it is.

Great...you answered. Bravo.

Now this one....Did Mozgov help the Lakers get Lebron?

 

[Heatles84]

Was the right move....but the idea Whiteside was needed to "help" you get Butler is absurd. Disagree?

No in this context. He didn't help get Butler. It would've been great had he just opted out and became a FA. But he wasn't going to get $27 mil per year again.

 

[dtgold88]

You do realize that you have to make the salaries match to a certain point? Or are you just talking out of your ass again? Don't answer that.

Btw, what are the Cavs doing again? Chasing the ever-ending tanking cloud?

Can you think of another example of a player who was traded WITH a 1st rounder and had an expiring contract where the team had to also take back a bad contract or contracts?