I'd rather have Tristan or Whiteside Poll

[dtgold88]

Actually thats not true. The Cavs had a very high Offensive and defensive rating in the playoffs. They had a bad defensive rating during the regular season though, is that your point?

Not really sure he has a point that matters other than to make himself look foolish.

 

[dtgold88]

What was the Heat supposed to win?
You can rank that thought/comment right up there with your other 1000+ ridiculous ones.

As far as the rest of the post.
Again, totally wrong.
You know exactly why.
No reason to recap again.

Heat did what they were supposed to do but that was not the point. Point was HW was a hindrance in getting Butler. Not an asset.

 

[TurnUpTheHeat]

If you

Heat did what they were supposed to do but that was not the point. Point was HW was a hindrance in getting Butler. Not an asset.

If you say so.


#crazytalk

 

[Shanemansj13]

Only area I disagree is idea TT can't protect the rim. He is certainly not among the best in this area, but he also is asked more to help switch onto the perimeter as is among the top big men in that area.

He can't protect the rim but that just isn't the player he is, that doesn't mean he isn't a really good defender and a big that plays great perimeter defense though.

 

[dtgold88]

This is very true. It's hard forming your roster years out while trying to remain competitive. You'd have to sign 1-year deals for every player to put yourself in a situation to where you can get an all-star FA.At the time of the signing, Whiteside was coming into his own. Didn't work out exactly as planned, but Miami came out of this situation in pretty decent shape.

way to do it is not sign players to contracts that are far more than they are worth to go from a middling team to a slightly better middling team.

Keep in mind I do not agree with Wiggy and can understand the Butler signing. I don't think they can win the East but at least they could scare a good team (maybe pull off a big upset if everything goes their way). Imagine if they could have done this and kept Richardson (or traded him for an asset AND signed Butler).

 

[dtgold88]

Guaranteed if an all-star FA wanted to come to Cleveland and TT was taking up space it'd be a different story. But I'll give you that at least, both players are overpaid. And Whiteside's not worth the $27 mil he's taking up.

would you wager an amount of money you cared about that if TT is moved at the deadline the Cavs have to attach a #1 with him AND take back bad deals?

 

[Heatles84]

would you wager an amount of money you cared about that if TT is moved at the deadline the Cavs have to attach a #1 with him AND take back bad deals?

Depends on the context. TT could be moved to help out a contender potentially, or any other potential scenario. We already discussed why Whiteside was moved - to get Jimmy Butler. So of course the Heat had to take a bad contract back (which expires after this season).

 

[dtgold88]

If you



If you say so.


#crazytalk

If he was an asset this means you believe if HW opted out they could not have acquired Butler. Do you believe that?

 

[TurnUpTheHeat]

Maybe they got rid of Blake and CP3 because they reached their limit with them because they could not count on them in the playoffs? Not as though they went further with those guys than they did without.

Likely no matter where the Cavs picked the player was going to Minny, but that was irrelevant as we were talking about Lebron.

Dumping contracts is a sacrifice? You think losing HW was a sacrifice?

Maybe anything....

Point is, cap space is created many different ways, sometimes planned a year + in advance.

Most thought the Heat wouldn't be able to add any top NBA players until next summer, and that is IF they agreed to come.

Opportunity struck, and Riley went for it, and is hopefully going for it again.

To think the Heat could possibly go from our end of season roster to hopefully starting this season with Butler/Westbrook is mind blowing.

 

[dtgold88]

Depends on the context. TT could be moved to help out a contender potentially, or any other potential scenario. We already discussed why Whiteside was moved - to get Jimmy Butler. So of course the Heat had to take a bad contract back (which expires after this season).

This would make sense if HW went to Philly. He went in a separate deal to Portland though. If he were any good the 1st would have gone back to Miami.

 

[TurnUpTheHeat]

If he was an asset this means you believe if HW opted out they could not have acquired Butler. Do you believe that?

If means shit. He DIDN'T.

So, in order to get Butler, the Heat needed to get under the hard cap.

Riley thought he had it done by moving Dragic to Dallas.

Didn't happen,

So plan B was formed, which luckily ended up with Portland wanting Whiteside.

 

[dtgold88]

Maybe anything....

Point is, cap space is created many different ways, sometimes planned a year + in advance.

Most thought the Heat wouldn't be able to add any top NBA players until next summer, and that is IF they agreed to come.

Opportunity struck, and Riley went for it, and is hopefully going for it again.

To think the Heat could possibly go from our end of season roster to hopefully starting this season with Butler/Westbrook is mind blowing.

You seem to think I don't believe Miami should have made the deal for Butler. I like Butler.

 

[dtgold88]

If means shit. He DIDN'T.

So, in order to get Butler, the Heat needed to get under the hard cap.

Riley thought he had it done by moving Dragic to Dallas.

Didn't happen,

So plan B was formed, which luckily ended up with Portland wanting Whiteside.

You made the claim Whiteside was an asset in the deal.

Could Miami have acquired Butler had KW not picked up his option?
A) yes
B) no

If you believe he was an asset needed to make the deal your answer should be B. Is it?

 

[dtgold88]

Is your point that teams that have the cap space to sign a max player outright do not have to sacrifice anything to sign them?

My point is moving HW is not a sacrifice to the Heat getting Butler. He was a detriment.

 

[TurnUpTheHeat]

This would make sense if HW went to Philly. He went in a separate deal to Portland though. If he were any good the 1st would have gone back to Miami.

At this point, who the fuck cares?
It is what it is.
So, we lose another mid late round 1st round pick.
Been there, done that, we end up being fine.

We probably have 4 guys on our summer league roster who will make an NBA roster.
We constantly find D or now G league players who end up contributing.
Hell. Richardson was 2nd round, 40th pick.

Not sure why Cavs fans worry so much about the Heat?
We certainly don't give two shits about the Cavs.

 

[dtgold88]

lol

You don't know the question that was asked either apparently.

In fact I do.

 

[TurnUpTheHeat]

You made the claim Whiteside was an asset in the deal.

Could Miami have acquired Butler had KW not picked up his option?
A) yes
B) no

If you believe he was an asset needed to make the deal your answer should be B. Is it?

C. Who gives a fuck?

Heat needed to create room for Butler and they did. Dumping the player who they traded for him ended up being the salary relief needed to get the job done.

 

[dtgold88]

At this point, who the fuck cares?
It is what it is.
So, we lose another mid late round 1st round pick.
Been there, done that, we end up being fine.

We probably have 4 guys on our summer league roster who will make an NBA roster.
We constantly find D or now G league players who end up contributing.
Hell. Richardson was 2nd round, 40th pick.

Not sure why Cavs fans worry so much about the Heat?
We certainly don't give two shits about the Cavs.

Long rant to say you were wrong.

I've never said heat should not have acquired Butler. Only said too bad they had so many bad deals they could not just get him AND keep Richardson and the pick. As good as they are drafting (and I agree they are) wouldn't like to have added Butler, kept Rich. and the pick?

 

[TurnUpTheHeat]

Long rant to say you were wrong.

I've never said heat should not have acquired Butler. Only said too bad they had so many bad deals they could not just get him AND keep Richardson and the pick. As good as they are drafting (and I agree they are) wouldn't like to have added Butler, kept Rich. and the pick?

I'd like to see a lot of things, but the world isn't perfect so you do the best you can with what you have.
If we get Westbrook, Butler and keep Bam, Herro… then I am 100% happy with whatever else happens, regardless of how it happens.

 

[dtgold88]

C. Who gives a fuck?

Heat needed to create room for Butler and they did. Dumping the player who they traded for him ended up being the salary relief needed to get the job done.

Who said otherwise? Just saying it's foolish to think HW was an asset in the deal. If he was you would have simply answered the question and said B.

You didn't.