I'd rather have Tristan or Whiteside Poll

[trojanfan12]

giving a plodding center htat isnt good enough to be the focal point of your team with a track record like Whiteside for leadership and work ethic is just going to be a disaster.

This shows that you either

A. Haven't seen him play.

or

B. Are so stuck in your own bullshit that you can't stop yourself.

Plodding center he says of one of the most athletic centers in the league.

Roy Hibbert is a plodding center. Marc Gasol is a plodding center (although a really good one). Whiteside is not a plodding center.

 

[trojanfan12]

So now he's a plodding C with no work ethic??

That certainly would explain how he went from a league minimum player to 6 teams offering him a max in 1 season.

Haven't you heard? Plodding centers with no work ethic are all the rage in the NBA now.

 

[WiggyRuss]

This shows that you either

A. Haven't seen him play.

or

B. Are so stuck in your own bullshit that you can't stop yourself.

Plodding center he says of one of the most athletic centers in the league.

Roy Hibbert is a plodding center. Marc Gasol is a plodding center (although a really good one). Whiteside is not a plodding center.

well- i consider centers with little versatility that arent fast enough or quick enough or agile enough to play the pick and roll plodding centers- because it creates huge problems for your defense that need to be compenstated for elsewhere. Its one of the reasons the center position is dying in the league- no hand check rules, you cant be as phyiscal with guys---- the center that hangs out in the key and cant shoot is a dying breed i nthe NBA.

devoting a quarter of your payroll to such a player- especially one with the track record of whiteside- seems to be to be a disaster waiting to happen.

We shall see though - time will tell- as always.

and just because your big doesnt mean you cant guard the pick and roll- Bogut for instance- was FANTASTIC at it.

i mean- unless its Andre Drummond or Cousins- the best of the best- i wouldnt give just about any center that cant guard the pick and roll AND cant shoot a huge deal. It just creates so many problems that you have to combat- ESPECIALLY against teams that have bigs that can shoot. cousins can actually play the 4 a little too- and has in Sac. and has extended his range as well.

teams that dont have big men who can shoot wont be able to take advantage as much- since you can just leave your PF in the key or just have whiteside sag into the paint---- but when you have centers or PF that can shoot- and a quick PG and put him in the pick and roll--- as we saw in the playoffs- you gotta get him off the floor since its just murder.

 

[trojanfan12]

well- i consider centers with little versatility that arent fast enough or quick enough or agile enough to play the pick and roll plodding centers- because it creates huge problems for your defense that need to be compenstated for elsewhere. Its one of the reasons the center position is dying in the league- no hand check rules, you cant be as phyiscal with guys---- the center that hangs out in the key and cant shoot is a dying breed i nthe NBA.

devoting a quarter of your payroll to such a player- especially one with the track record of whiteside- seems to be to be a disaster waiting to happen.

We shall see though - time will tell- as always.

and just because your big doesnt mean you cant guard the pick and roll- Bogut for instance- was FANTASTIC at it.

i mean- unless its Andre Drummond or Cousins- the best of the best- i wouldnt give just about any center that cant guard the pick and roll AND cant shoot a huge deal. It just creates so many problems that you have to combat- ESPECIALLY against teams that have bigs that can shoot. cousins can actually play the 4 a little too- and has in Sac. and has extended his range as well.

Learning to defend the pick and roil is one of the more difficult things to learn. Especially for a big. Some of the best centers in history never learned to do it properly. Shaq, for example, was terrible at it. Kareem was barely adequate at it.

Dwight Howard is one of the most athletically gifted centers ever and he sucks at it.

Whiteside is still learning. He may not defend it well now, but he has time to learn. He may or may not learn to do it. Not learning doesn't make him a "plodding center" though.

 

[bksballer89]

Cousins is good at guarding the pick and roll? WHERE

 

[bksballer89]

Its funny how Wiggy knows more than other GMs in the NBA. Whiteside was getting a max deal no matter what.

 

[trojanfan12]

Its funny how Wiggy knows more than other GMs in the NBA. Whiteside was getting a max deal no matter what.

Wiggy may ultimately be right and Whiteside may ultimately meltdown. Who knows? Given his past, that's a possibility that can't really be ignored.

However, his improvement in a short time has been remarkable. The fact that Miami was actually having to bid against other teams rather than themselves, shows that at least several teams felt he was worth the gamble. Enough that they were willing to throw max deals at him.

I honestly can't remember a player who has come as far, as fast as, Whiteside has. That would seem to speak to him finally getting stuff figured out. Hopefully he continues down that path.

 

[trojanfan12]

Cousins is good at guarding the pick and roll? WHERE

In Wiggyville?

 

[True Lakers Fan]

In Wiggyville?

Cousins is good at guarding what?

His dinner?

 

[TurnUpTheHeat]

WOW.
Just saw Tristan made last nights highlight reel.
Derozan wasn't playing around,

 

[TurnUpTheHeat]

In Wiggyville?

Suburb of braindead and delusion?

 

[True Lakers Fan]

I do believe Kerr is a good coach but just not sure not sure he has reached the next level into greatness quite yet

 

[Shaqdaddy11]

I do believe Kerr is a good coach but just not sure not sure he has reached the next level into greatness quite yet

?!?

Are you in the right thread?

 

[True Lakers Fan]

?!?

Are you in the right thread?

Well that post of mine sure isnt

 

[trojanfan12]

?!?

Are you in the right thread?

It's TLF. So, I can only assume the question is rhetorical.

 

[True Lakers Fan]

It's TLF. So, I can only assume the question is rhetorical.

I was on my cell phone

 

[TurnUpTheHeat]

Anyone watch Whiteside plod tonight?

 

[Black Adam]

Anyone watch Whiteside plod tonight?

you KNOW the guy is a head case, has no work ethic, and doesn't help his team win, not like the great TT...

sheesh, Heat fans...

 

[WiggyRuss]

Through his first four games as a max player, Whiteside is averaging 19.8 points, 13.8 rebounds and three blocks per game.

In fact, Whiteside has been one of the most efficient players in the NBA to start the season. He’s ranked as the 10th most efficient player in the NBA ahead of names like Blake Griffin, Cousins and Chris Paul.

“Hassan has got more possessions with the ball in his hands and I feel like he developed his one-on-one game,” Heat guard Goran Dragic said. “He can create his own shot and that’s really helpful for us because the whole defense is going to shrink and then he can make passes out or he can finish by himself. I feel like he’s improved a lot on offense.”

Whiteside has been dominant on the defensive end, too. The 7-footer is anchoring a Heat defense that’s limited opponents to an NBA best 45.9 percent shooting from within five feet of the basket.

With Whiteside on the floor, the Heat have outscored opponents by 27 points this season.

In Sunday’s loss to the Spurs, Whiteside equaled his career high of 27 points and added 15 rebounds. But Heat coach Erik Spoelstra was most impressed when Whiteside left the game in the fourth quarter with a cramping issue.

“I said the reason you got the cramp is because that’s probably as hard as you’ve played on both ends of the court in a regular-season game,” Spoelstra said Sunday. “Now that’s what this basketball team is going to need and it will need 34 to 36 minutes of that every night. Once he understands what that really means — to shoulder that kind of responsibility, being a great player. He’s getting it and starting to understand it. When that light bulb goes off, that’s something to see.”

Whiteside has noticed the added responsibilities. He leads the Heat with a usage rate of 28.1 percent this season after being used on 20.5 percent of the Heat’s offensive possessions last season.

“I feel like I’m more involved in the plays this year,” Whiteside said. “I’m not just a pick-and-roll guy. Coach made me a couple plays and I’m really glad they’re trusting me with the ball.”





"He sucks cause he's on the Heat" @WiggyRuss

you guys act like i dont acknowledge that he is a good player....hes a solid player- and has his uses---- but- in todays NBA- i would NEVER EVER give a quarter of my payroll to a center who cant shoot, cant pass, and cant guard on the perimeter--- who ON TOP OF THAT- needs to be babysat since he has had some many problems.

you will never win with a "traditional" center as your focal point- who is not even that good--- who you ADMIT is not good enough to help you win games as your best player.

you are at such a HUUUUUGE disadvantage when you have a player who cant shoot, cant pass, and cant guard on the perimeter in todays NBA.....teams like the Cavs and Warriors with multiple big men who are versatile and can shoot, and can guard on the perimeter will DESTROY you. You simply have no chance.

building around a center that cant shoot, cant pass, and cant guard on the perimeter is a formula for outright failure. You guys know this. I know this. Everyone that watches the modern NBA knows this- when you compound the guys behavioral issues on top- and the fact that he is clearly no Andre Drummond- its clear.....that its just never ever gonna work.

 

[bksballer89]

Really impressive quotes in this article for those who doubt Hassan
Heat center Hassan Whiteside still motivated despite max contract | Heat Zone

Current Kings center DeMarcus Cousins was Sacramento’s first-round pick in the 2010 draft and he still remembers going up against Whiteside in workouts and practices. Cousins saw Whiteside’s potential.

“I remember days it would just be me and him working out one-on-one and he would kill me,” Cousins said of Whiteside before Tuesday’s game. “His talent has always been there. … At one point, I thought Hassan was a better player than me. Everything he’s doing now, I thought he was capable of doing then.”

“We had a full roster,” Joerger said Tuesday of the Grizzlies waiving Whiteside. “It was awful, because it was his time. You could see he was ready to play in the league.”