Horace Grant says LeBron James Miami Heat no match for Michael Jordan's Bulls

[HuskerCradle2Grave]

"Oakley would be quicker than Lebron." -HuskerCradle2Grave

You are the one that said 10x faster. Sorry, that is full retard...

 

[HuskerCradle2Grave]

There are current NBA coaches, who coached against Jordan, Kobe and LeBron, who will say privately -- though not publicly, so as not to offend the two killers they still have to play against -- that if Jordan had come of age in today's game with no handchecking and no Pistons-style body slamming high fliers, he'd easily average 40 points on 55 percent shooting. - Micheal Wilbon

 

[da55bums]

That's bullshit. Those Lakers teams were more athletic than these lazy Heat clowns.

Take 5 min to watch this and tell me I'm wrong.

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thats just because their shorts were shorter and less "sail" drag.

 

[Shoveyjoe]

Some laker fans are so bitter

 

[Shanemansj13]

There are current NBA coaches, who coached against Jordan, Kobe and LeBron, who will say privately -- though not publicly, so as not to offend the two killers they still have to play against -- that if Jordan had come of age in today's game with no handchecking and no Pistons-style body slamming high fliers, he'd easily average 40 points on 55 percent shooting. - Micheal Wilbon

Yah, he likes to exaggerate. Plus it isn't about just the scoring. Lebron does it all.

No doubt MJ is the greatest scorer ever, but that isn't the issue.

 

[HuskerCradle2Grave]

thats just because their shorts were shorter and less "sail" drag.

 

[Shanemansj13]

You weren't watching basketball in the 1990's.

"Players were more athletic back than, bc that's the way it should be. It is a fact." -Hammer

 

[HuskerCradle2Grave]

Yah, he likes to exaggerate. Plus it isn't about just the scoring. Lebron does it all.

No doubt MJ is the greatest scorer ever, but that isn't the issue.

So pick the metrics. Rings, awards, stats. Let's compare the 1st 10 years in the Association. Pick the metrics.

 

[HuskerCradle2Grave]

Yah, he likes to exaggerate. Plus it isn't about just the scoring. Lebron does it all.

No doubt MJ is the greatest scorer ever, but that isn't the issue.

That is reporting. Not exaggerating. What is he exaggerating? He is stating what coaches are saying about MJ...

 

[Shanemansj13]

That's like saying people were taller back then. Who knows??

 

[Shoveyjoe]

I could care less about whether he is better than Jordan or the 2000 lakers all that matters to me is that they are in it now and that makes the " bitch" laker fans ( not all laker fans) be on their periods 27 days of the month.

 

[Shanemansj13]

That is reporting. Not exaggerating. What is he exaggerating? He is stating what coaches are saying about MJ...

Opinions, just bc they have been around game doesn't mean shit. So yes, an exaggeration about something they have no clue would turn out.

 

[Shanemansj13]

You know they when you see a guy play and you think, "Wow that guy is great." Then you see another guy play, "That guy is even better." But they never play each other.

It is like that, they are both great, but just bc you saw both play but not each other. It doesn't mean shit!

The fact is nobody knows, anything could happen.

 

[HuskerCradle2Grave]

Opinions, just bc they have been around game doesn't mean shit. So yes, an exaggeration about something they have no clue would turn out.

Yes. You are right. Being around the game at the highest level most of your life doesn't mean shit. Random message board guy (shane) knows way more watching a game or two a week and looking at the box scores the following morning. <end sarcasm font>

You did it again...

 

[HuskerCradle2Grave]

You know they when you see a guy play and you think, "Wow that guy is great." Then you see another guy play, "That guy is even better." But they never play each other.

It is like that, they are both great, but just bc you saw both play but not each other. It doesn't mean shit!

The fact is nobody knows, anything could happen.

You do know there are people that are actually paid money to evaluate players right? Do you think Phil Jackson knows good players? Pat Reily? Larry Bird (the only person ever to be coach of the year and GM of the year by the way)? Do you think that they might have just a teeny tiny bit of expertise in this area?

 

[Footballnut]

He's right... Jordan's Bulls would wipe the floor with Lebron and Co... it likely wouldn't be close. Especially the team that went 72-10.

 

[HuskerCradle2Grave]

He's right... Jordan's Bulls would wipe the floor with Lebron and Co... it likely wouldn't be close. Especially the team that went 72-10.

 

[LALakersboy24.7]

Lebron's hairline is getting real bad. Yuk!

 

[Sportsman]

2nd 3 peat. But if you want to talk about when MJ left, they went from 1st in the division and conference to 2nd in the division and 3rd in the conference. And they lost in the conference semis. Asking why they only won 2 fewer games that year than the year before, . There are too many moving parts. But then you cannot prove the Heat would be more than 2 games worse without LBJ. That would be speculation on your part.

Look, I am just presenting raw numbers. Do the win shares between 2 players being compared only differ by 1% make one better than the other? No not really. That is why I showed the starting "other 4". It clearly favors the Bulls (1995-1996). I would think you would be ecstatic. It supports your argument so far.

But tell me about the flaws. What metric do you want? Sorry, "gut feeling" is not allowed.

The Bulls lost in the conference semis to the eventual EC champion and they lost because of a very questionable call on a 3 point shot. They were very close to going to the Finals without Jordan. The next year the bulls were mediocre when Horace Grant left. So it appears Grant was very valuable to the team because in mid season Jordan joins the team with Grant gone and the Bulls get knocked out of the playoffs by the Magic. Not until they acquire Rodman do they get back on top. So it appears Horace was a very valuable supporting player since Jordan couldn't get on top again until they found a HOF replacement (Rodman). You may able to come up with different metrics to show that Grant wasn't as valuable as Bosh but most of the metrics aren't able to quantify defense an intangibles very well at all and in reality Grant was a much better supporting player to the Bulls than Bosh with the Heat. Currently CP3 has a higher WS in the reg season than Lebron, are we to assume CP3 is better than Lebron.

 

[HuskerCradle2Grave]

Over 1000 games. You do the math, it's too easy for me.

By the way. About 850. So I guess math IS hard for you...