Harbaugh pulls commit's offer two weeks before signing day

[ericd7633]

Still looking for an answer as to why they would offer Swenson as a preferred walk on, if Michigan thought he had off field issues?? Somebody help me out. Really only conclusion...Harbaugh is a shady mother fucker...

 

[Across The Field]

Yes, but as I've mentioned, most teams have a similar record against us in the same span (except Notre Dame) because we've been terrible. I look forward to Harbaugh putting MSU back in it's place within the conference, which will happen.

Maybe. Maybe not. Harbaugh has done nothing to show that he's a better coach than Dantonio.

 

[7Samurai13]

I lost an avy bet, dumbass.

We're good on the Avy.

 

[Codaxx]

Still looking for an answer as to why they would offer Swenson as a preferred walk on, if Michigan thought he had off field issues?? Somebody help me out. Really only conclusion...Harbaugh is a shady mother fucker...

Pretty simple. The kid was a top 200 kid when Harbaugh got there. His rankings have dropped his year and he is being recruited over. That is why they offered a walk-on and did not simply walk away. That is why Michigan fans are quoting recruiting rankings from his Junior year.

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

Maybe. Maybe not. Harbaugh has done nothing to show that he's a better coach than Dantonio.

Even if you say that Dantonio is just as good as Harbaugh, Michigan State does not have the resources to every truly consistently compete. That's why Dantonio has had like 3-4 5 or 6 loss seasons at Michigan State. Michigan State has to rely on flipping 3 star athletes and that is unsustainable.

 

[ericd7633]

Pretty simple. The kid was a top 200 kid when Harbaugh got there. His rankings have dropped his year and he is being recruited over. That is why they offered a walk-on and did not simply walk away. That is why Michigan fans are quoting recruiting rankings from his Junior year.

Oh I understand the process, I was just told over and over again Michigan would never do this and was above this type of practice.

 

[ericd7633]

Even if you say that Dantonio is just as good as Harbaugh, Michigan State does not have the resources to every truly consistently compete. That's why Dantonio has had like 3-4 5 or 6 loss seasons at Michigan State. Michigan State has to rely on flipping 3 star athletes and that is unsustainable.

Or he has that many 5/6 loss seasons because he was trying to clean up the pile of shit John L Smith left him? Two of those 5/6 loss seasons were in his first 3 years.

 

[Across The Field]

Even if you say that Dantonio is just as good as Harbaugh, Michigan State does not have the resources to every truly consistently compete. That's why Dantonio has had like 3-4 5 or 6 loss seasons at Michigan State. Michigan State has to rely on flipping 3 star athletes and that is unsustainable.

Incorrect on both assertions.

1.) They're currently rated as the 13th best recruiting class per 247 for 2016. He has also had top 25 classes over the past 3 seasons. He gets more out of his talent than anyone in the country, and it's worked well so far.

2.) Those 5-6 loss seasons came at the beginning of his tenure for the most part. He's won 11 games in 5 of the last 6 years. That's consistency that's only seen among the elite of the elite coaches. And he was doing that largely on the backs of recruiting classes that weren't even in the top 25 of their team rankings.

 

[7Samurai13]

Even if you say that Dantonio is just as good as Harbaugh, Michigan State does not have the resources to every truly consistently compete. That's why Dantonio has had like 3-4 5 or 6 loss seasons at Michigan State. Michigan State has to rely on flipping 3 star athletes and that is unsustainable.

They have three 6+ loss seasons at Michigan State since Dantonio has been there (no 5 loss) and two of those were his first three years.

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

Or he has that many 5/6 loss seasons because he was trying to clean up the pile of shit John L Smith left him? Two of those 5/6 loss seasons were in his first 3 years.

We'll see. I just think MSU hired a good coach at the perfect time and took advantage of Michigan being down. With a health Michigan program in the same division as Ohio State with them, I don't think they'll be able to maintain their current position and will start losing more games. Even with all their success, MSU has struggled to be nationally relevant in recruiting (this year is their best year ever) and they live on very shaky ground. Doesn't take much to cause them tumbling again.

 

[belcherboy]

except none of that is true. Kid is not top 10. He rankings have dropped a bunch this this year.

Erik Swenson, Downers Grove South , Offensive Tackle

USA Today and MaxPreps both had as an All-US/All-American which would have ranked in the top 10 after his senior year.

Rivals had him ranked #15 at his position: Yahoo Sports: Rivals.com Ranking - Rivals.com offensive tackles 2016

I'm not sure how much he has dropped, as I never really looked at him since he committed a few years ago.

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

Incorrect on both assertions.

1.) They're currently rated as the 13th best recruiting class per 247 for 2016. He has also had top 25 classes over the past 3 seasons. He gets more out of his talent than anyone in the country, and it's worked well so far.

2.) Those 5-6 loss seasons came at the beginning of his tenure for the most part. He's won 11 games in 5 of the last 6 years. That's consistency that's only seen among the elite of the elite coaches. And he was doing that largely on the backs of recruiting classes that weren't even in the top 25 of their team rankings.

Yes, they have 1 good recruiting class. But their previous years prove that even that is inconsistent with them. It took them 8 years to finally have a decent class. I doubt they will consistently pull top 15 classes in. This will be a fluke more than the average.

Michigan state just lost 6 games 4 years ago (at the transition of their senior QB). Then Cook came about and they won more games. And here we are at another QB transition. The reason they have these ups and downs is because, again, they rely on flipping 3 star talent. It took a while for Dantonio to develop 3 star Cook into what he is, and also spent time battling the other guy (who I forgot his name) for the spot. This is a direct result of not having a wealth of talent in the program and relying on 3 star players.

 

[7Samurai13]

We'll see. I just think MSU hired a good coach at the perfect time and took advantage of Michigan being down. With a health Michigan program in the same division as Ohio State with them, I don't think they'll be able to maintain their current position and will start losing more games. Even with all their success, MSU has struggled to be nationally relevant in recruiting (this year is their best year ever) and they live on very shaky ground. Doesn't take much to cause them tumbling again.

The last 5 years, Michigan State got 12 recruits with offers from Michigan. Not very many. Has very little to do with Michigan being down.

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

They have three 6+ loss seasons at Michigan State since Dantonio has been there (no 5 loss) and two of those were his first three years.

Right, and one of them was just 4 years ago when Dantonio didn't know what to do because he didn't have a QB and only had undeveloped 3 star kids to use. We're entering another year just like it. MSU has no developed QB and no developed RB with a weakened defense.

 

[ericd7633]

We'll see. I just think MSU hired a good coach at the perfect time and took advantage of Michigan being down. With a health Michigan program in the same division as Ohio State with them, I don't think they'll be able to maintain their current position and will start losing more games. Even with all their success, MSU has struggled to be nationally relevant in recruiting (this year is their best year ever) and they live on very shaky ground. Doesn't take much to cause them tumbling again.

No different than Michigan taking advantage of the Williams/John L Smith era of the early 2000's. And you're not exactly going out on a limb predicting they will lose more games. It hard to finish in the top 5 every year.

 

[Codaxx]

USA Today and MaxPreps both had as an All-US/All-American which would have ranked in the top 10 after his senior year.

Rivals had him ranked #15: Yahoo Sports: Rivals.com Ranking - Rivals.com offensive tackles 2016

You can pick the highest rated service to help your argument, even that does not have him top 10. Composite has become the standard. Look at his 247 profile, they have a chart of his ranking over the last 2 years. You can ski on that graph. I would also question how up to date that Rivals rankings is that you are relying on. I know 247 just put out a new top 247. I am not sure if the others have put out their final rankings yet.

 

[Across The Field]

Yes, they have 1 good recruiting class. But their previous years prove that even that is inconsistent with them. It took them 8 years to finally have a decent class. I doubt they will consistently pull top 15 classes in. This will be a fluke more than the average.

Michigan state just lost 6 games 4 years ago (at the transition of their senior QB). Then Cook came about and they won more games. And here we are at another QB transition. The reason they have these ups and downs is because, again, they rely on flipping 3 star talent. It took a while for Dantonio to develop 3 star Cook into what he is, and also spent time battling the other guy (who I forgot his name) for the spot. This is a direct result of not having a wealth of talent in the program and relying on 3 star players.

Yet, even when he wasn't even fully developed yet, they were winning 11+ games, as they have for 3 years in a row now.

His recruiting classes have improved steadily over the years. There's no reason to think he can't keep pulling them in, especially when he can sell the fact that he can get kids to the big stage. This year was bad, yes, but he had won 4 bowl games in a row over Georgia, TCU, Stanford and Baylor, 4 of the top teams on a regular basis.

 

[7Samurai13]

Right, and one of them was just 4 years ago when Dantonio didn't know what to do because he didn't have a QB and only had undeveloped 3 star kids to use. We're entering another year just like it. MSU has no developed QB and no developed RB with a weakened defense.

And I have been saying that I am very concerned about this upcoming season because of the quarterback issue and a very weak secondary. I do believe that LJ Scott emerged as a feature type of back next year and we will have London healthy.

 

[belcherboy]

The last 5 years, Michigan State got 12 recruits with offers from Michigan. Not very many. Has very little to do with Michigan being down.

You also have to factor in the guys that Michigan wasn't getting that went to other schools than MSU.

I'm probably being a homer here, but I too think that when Michigan gets a full team of guys that Harbaugh recruited, it will be the end of Sparty's reign in the Michigan rivalry, and the return of dominance for UM. It's wishful thinking at this point, as MSU definitely is king in Michigan right now.

 

[7Samurai13]

You also have to factor in the guys that Michigan wasn't getting that went to other schools than MSU.

I'm probably being a homer here, but I too think that when Michigan gets a full team of guys that Harbaugh recruited, it will be the end of Sparty's reign in the Michigan rivalry, and the return of dominance for UM. It's wishful thinking at this point, as MSU definitely is king in Michigan right now.

I believe it will be close to 50/50 until Harbaugh goes to the NFL or Dantonio retires.