Greatest NBA Player of all-time

[knowyourenemy]

Had to go with someone else.

 

[trojanfan12]

Does it possibly mean though that he isnt a winning player?

Sure, he could shine in a losing situation in Minny, but is it on him a bit that he cant blend into a winning team?

I think it means he can never be a #1 on a contending team. He could be fine as a #2 or #3 on a contending team. But he's never going to be that guy that you build around.

It also means that he has to be in the right situation with a team that moves the ball consistently.

There's nothing wrong with that either. There are lots of guys in the Hall of Fame or who have been all stars/all NBA players who can't be a #1 on a contending team or who played in a system that caters to their skills.

 

[StanMarsh51]

Finals losses also count. If they don't, then why is Kareem not the GOAT?

Kareem:

10 finals appearances
6-4 Finals record
2 Finals MVP's (including one at age 38)
6 regular season MVP's
19 All Star games
10 All NBA first teams
Rookie of the Year

etc. etc. (the list of accomplishments is amazing)

And he's the all time leading scorer.

I don't think it's the finals losses that hurt Kareem...it's that for the second half of his career he didn't play like an all-time great on the whole. He had a significant dropoff the second half of his career and his averages were about 20ppg and 8rpg, which are obviously very good but not really spectacular.

Jordan obviously had a shorter career, but a good case can be made that 11 of his 13 full seasons were historically great.

 

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[trojanfan12]

I don't think it's the finals losses that hurt Kareem...it's that for the second half of his career he didn't play like an all-time great on the whole. He had a significant dropoff the second half of his career and his averages were about 20ppg and 8rpg, which are obviously very good but not really spectacular.

Much of that was due to being on the Showtime Lakers. They didn't need his scoring like the Bucks and then the pre-Showtime Lakers teams that he was on. Throughout the 2nd half of his career, when the Lakers needed him he always came up big. Like in 1985 when he was finals MVP at age 38.

 

[SJ76]

@sonnyblack65 is perhaps the best playa of all time

 

[tlance]

I don't think it's the finals losses that hurt Kareem...it's that for the second half of his career he didn't play like an all-time great on the whole. He had a significant dropoff the second half of his career and his averages were about 20ppg and 8rpg, which are obviously very good but not really spectacular.

Jordan obviously had a shorter career, but a good case can be made that 11 of his 13 full seasons were historically great.

Agreed.

Kareem wasn't the best player on his own team for at least half of his rings. That is what hurts him against MJ, not the Finals losses.

 

[StanMarsh51]

Much of that was due to being on the Showtime Lakers. They didn't need his scoring like the Bucks and then the pre-Showtime Lakers teams that he was on. Throughout the 2nd half of his career, when the Lakers needed him he always came up big. Like in 1985 when he was finals MVP at age 38.

Perhaps, but we can't go giving him credit based on hypotheticals and 'what ifs' (ie - if they needed him to score more, he could've risen to the challenge)...we can only give him credit for what did happen, and what did happen is that the second half of his career overall wasn't historically great.

 

[sonnyblack65]

Christian Laetner

Dont ever BS me again

 

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[sonnyblack65]

@sonnyblack65 is perhaps the best playa of all time

I'd beat Lavar Ball any day

 

[SJ76]

I'd beat Lavar Ball any day

I know you watched that 30 for 30 Celtics Lakers. That was some good sheet mang

 

[sonnyblack65]

Dont ever BS me again

queer

 

[sonnyblack65]

I know you watched that 30 for 30 Celtics Lakers. That was some good sheet mang

BS me again and your done

 

[SJ76]

BS me again and your done

Missed you too Sonny. Wtf have u Been doin

 

[trojanfan12]

Perhaps, but we can't go giving him credit based on hypotheticals and 'what ifs' (ie - if they needed him to score more, he could've risen to the challenge)...we can only give him credit for what did happen, and what did happen is that the second half of his career overall wasn't historically great.

His entire career, however, was historically great and it's the entire career that is looked at.

 

[StanMarsh51]

His entire career, however, was historically great and it's the entire career that is looked at.

IMO the GOAT should be historically great throughout most/all of their career than just roughly half of it.

Babe Ruth was historically great throughout most of his career for example, and many consider him the baseball GOAT. I see the same thing with Jordan.

 

[trojanfan12]

IMO the GOAT should be historically great throughout most/all of their career than just roughly half of it.

Babe Ruth was historically great throughout most of his career for example, and many consider him the baseball GOAT. I see the same thing with Jordan.

Don't think there's ever been a finals MVP older than Kareem when he won it at age 38. That seems pretty late in his career. lol

 

[StanMarsh51]

Don't think there's ever been a finals MVP older than Kareem when he won it at age 38. That seems pretty late in his career. lol

That's what, 5-6 games?

Sample size? You can't just ignore the other 700+ games in that portion of his career because of one NBA finals...doesn't make any sense.

 

[jon2tanman]

I don't think it's the finals losses that hurt Kareem...it's that for the second half of his career he didn't play like an all-time great on the whole. He had a significant dropoff the second half of his career and his averages were about 20ppg and 8rpg, which are obviously very good but not really spectacular.

Jordan obviously had a shorter career, but a good case can be made that 11 of his 13 full seasons were historically great.

I'll take Kareems best 11 over Jordans.