Grap signed

[Stymietee]

I believe if we didn't do this trade and we lost KC in FA we are a worst team today. Brining up the fact that ANY FA QB could come in here and bring what Alex SMith bring to the table is nuts and its just pure hate for this team. If you Kc fine. Go be a Browns, jets or whatever team he ends up with fan. Team first. You are player first.

WOW, didn't we have this conversation before when the subjects were Kirk v Griffin after Griffin was let go? I'm having a bit of Déjà vu reading these posts.

 

[Sharkinva]

WOW, didn't we have this conversation before when the subjects were Kirk v Griffin after Griffin was let go? I'm having a bit of Déjà vu reading these posts.

Well we have Smith now. And most have proclaimed him an upgrade, so I dont know about you.. .but Im expecting 11-5 a Division title and at least 1 playoffs win.

And IM NOT hoping our Current QB fails to some how justify we should have kept Kirk. I think unlike the other guy... he will show that all on his own.

 

[Stymietee]

The Details are coming out on the Grop deal.

I'm a little surprised the details worked out this well.

I'm not because Lynch is 10 to the 100th power a better GM than Bruce. Congratulations I'm truly impressed with what both he and Kyle are bringing to the Bay Area.

 

[Sharkinva]

I'm not because Lynch is 10 to the 100th power a better GM than Bruce. Congratulations I'm truly impressed with what both he and Kyle are bringing to the Bay Area.

NO worries Sty... Bruce is going to prove to us all he is the smartest person in his immediate .00000003 foot radius. This year is the year.

 

[gkekoa]

I will defend the Browns a bit. They have some nice building blocks.

Duke Johnson
Corey Coleman and Josh Gordon
David Njoku

I can’t say I have seen much of their OL.

On defense, they have Danny Shelton, Myles Garrett, Emmanuel Ogbah, Jabrill Peppers, Christian Kirksey, Jamie Collins.

They also have a ton of draft capital this season. They could easily trade out of 1 overall and get a boatload of picks. Then perhaps draft Saquon, a CB, an OL, and go into next season with a couple firsts and then perhaps even more the following season.

 

[Sharkinva]

GK... thats all well and good, but they are STILL the Browns.

Hell they had pretty good pieces in place when they were the old Browns that became the Ravens.

 

[Stymietee]

Aside from the coach and afew players, the Browns are in total rebuild mode. That alone says that success is unlikely. At least the kind of success required for people to admit Cousins is more than a below average QB who just happened to hit free agency at the right time.

Save the reverse psychology tricks for the millenials of the board Sty.. IM not buying it.

What exactly does success look like in Cleveland after two seasons totaling 4 and 44? I'm just using the exact same logic that you've used on others in that regard. The most recent being your position on Smith, who according to you, is a whatever in relation to Kirk, if he doesn't get to 11-5 or better and win a playoff game, right? Well using that same logic, Kirk in Cleveland, a team that's averaged 2 wins in two seasons need merely to post 3 wins to claim success. It's not reverse psychology, it's called mirror imaging.

 

[Sharkinva]

What exactly does success look like in Cleveland after two seasons totaling 4 and 44? I'm just using the exact same logic that you've used on others in that regard. The most recent being your position on Smith, who according to you, is a whatever in relation to Kirk, if he doesn't get to 11-5 or better and win a playoff game, right? Well using that same logic, Kirk in Cleveland, a team that's averaged 2 wins in two seasons need merely to post 3 wins to claim success. It's not reverse psychology, it's called mirror imaging.

True 6-10 would be success as a Browns QB based on what they have done the past few years.


Let me put it this way, I think plenty of Skins fans would rather See Kirk go to a place where he is less likely to do better than the Redskins.

I want to see him do well, because its the only way Bruce and the winning off the field ways MIGHT get put in check.

 

[Stymietee]

Well we have Smith now. And most have proclaimed him an upgrade, so I dont know about you.. .but Im expecting 11-5 a Division title and at least 1 playoffs win.

And IM NOT hoping our Current QB fails to some how justify we should have kept Kirk. I think unlike the other guy... he will show that all on his own.

Honestly, I don't expect anything from this team or organization, from time to time I'll make a prediction, but beyond that, I just don't set myself up for the rare exhilarating moments and the often disappointments that others do with regards to this team.

 

[Stymietee]

True 6-10 would be success as a Browns QB based on what they have done the past few years.


Let me put it this way, I think plenty of Skins fans would rather See Kirk go to a place where he is less likely to do better than the Redskins.

I want to see him do well, because its the only way Bruce and the winning off the field ways MIGHT get put in check.

Exactly, a 6-10 record gives Brown's nation hope, something that has been rare indeed in Cleveland football of late. They will be saying the exact same things that some folks here were saying about this team when Kirk was the QB.

What difference does it make if there are plenty of fans who would rather See Kirk go to a place where he is less likely to do better than he did here? Any subjective TOC, and there will always be detractors as well as supporters.

Do you honestly believe that Bruce and the winning off the field ways will be checked because Kirk Cousins goes elsewhere and does well? Truthfully, the one thing that can be said of Bruce Allen, despite the 36 million blunder, horrible decisions, questionable hires/ free agent acquisitions, terrible trades, and public relations clusterfucks is that he is what he is. If none of that has motivated him to self evaluate, Kirk Cousins winning big elsewhere, certainly won't.

 

[Sharkinva]

Exactly, a 6-10 record gives Brown's nation hope, something that has been rare indeed in Cleveland football of late. They will be saying the exact same things that some folks here were saying about this team when Kirk was the QB.

What difference does it make if there are plenty of fans who would rather See Kirk go to a place where he is less likely to do better than he did here? Any subjective TOC, and there will always be detractors as well as supporters.

Do you honestly believe that Bruce and the winning off the field ways will be checked because Kirk Cousins goes elsewhere and does well? Truthfully, the one thing that can be said of Bruce Allen, despite the 36 million blunder, horrible decisions, questionable hires/ free agent acquisitions, terrible trades, and public relations clusterfucks is that he is what he is. If none of that has motivated him to self evaluate, Kirk Cousins winning big elsewhere, certainly won't.

Kirk going elsewhere and winning big will serve one purpose, to give Dan the one thing he cant stand.. negative press. We cant get rid of Dan, but if Bruce hits Vinny status as far as the Redskins could fuck up a wet dream... Dan will fire him. I dont expect Bruce to change, I do expect Dan to be Dan if given enough reason.

 

[Buffalo_Nickel_1]

So skins was going in the right direction with Bruce your hate towards Bruce is about Kirk now if we resigned Kirk you will be like skins moving in the right direction when you say that Bruce is still the GM so even if we resigned Kirk we be going in the wrong direction so wtf.even with kirk we still have Bruce and you would not have no hope anyways because of the Devil bruce

 

[Sharkinva]

So skins was going in the right direction with Bruce your hate towards Bruce is about Kirk now if we resigned Kirk you will be like skins moving in the right direction when you say that Bruce is still the GM so even if we resigned Kirk we be going in the wrong direction so WTF

Under Bruce..

We used 4 high picks on a player who is currently out of the league (Well unless Bruce brings him back)


The team has had a losing record

We have just thrown yet another draft pick, a player and a four year contract just to try and erase his last big mistake. Correction five year contract

What Kirk would have provided, is exactly what we get with Smith... only it would not have cost us a pick and a player on top of all that he has already wasted.


So yea, maybe I was thinking Bruce could let logic and reason trump his ego. Apparently not. The next time Bruce Allen says I made a mistake, will be the first time he says it. And that sir is the real problem.

 

[Buffalo_Nickel_1]

So even with kirk we are screwed because of bruce

 

[Sleepy T]

Jimmy Garoppolo's deal a reminder why Redskins opted for Alex Smith

That brings us back to Smith. As of right now, he’ll have the 17th highest salary cap hit among quarterbacks this season. That’s before we know the details of Garoppolo’s deal and before Cousins has signed. Smith also will count $17.5 million less than Cousins would have had the Redskins used the franchise tag on Cousins or $11 million less than the transition tag.

The Redskins' thinking for more than a year has been: If they don’t have Brady or Aaron Rodgers, they don’t want to pay a quarterback at the upper end of the pay scale. So without that sort of quarterback, pay less for a quality QB and build around him

It will be interesting to compare the cap hit between Cousins next deal and the $17 million AS will count against. The Smith deal probably gives us an out after a couple years. Wouldn’t be shocked to see us draft a QB in this years draft if we can get said player in a great spot.

 

[Manster7588]

You know, Im starting to wonder.. .with all the faith the Front Office, and some around here and on other sites showed in Colt McCoy....

Why was the Smith trade even needed. Because unless Im mistaken it was said many times, Colt McCoy would have done just as well as Cousins.

On my opinion, Colt and keeping Fuller would have been much wiser than Smith and his contract extension.

 

[Manster7588]

If KC lands in Cle I would compare that we got just as good or better QB for half the price. Fair statement?

If Allen didn't screw this up you'd have just as good or better QB for less. Fair Statement?

 

[Stymietee]

If Allen didn't screw this up you'd have just as good or better QB for less. Fair Statement?

Well, no... believing that insinuates that a deal was possible. I knew at least two years ago that Cousins wanted out, I said it then and repeat it now, I don't believe that there was any amout at any time from that time on that Kirk would have been agreeable to. It was as @Shark stated, personal. Where he got it wrong was in making the personal issues one way.

People wanted to paint Kirk as some sort of boy next door, good guy, which is, as I've stated on a number of occassions, BS. Think about that for a moment, what's the typical immediate reaction when someone goes personal against someone else? ( rhetorical) It's also personal. The working relationship was destroyed and you might then de ide to whistle while you worked, it doesn't mean that you aren't preparing the resume'. The adult in this mess was Kirk's agent who thus far has served his client perfectly. It was his job to know the ins and out of contracts and negotiations a d his job to advise his client to be cool, say this when asked, and that to get around specific questions.

 

[Manster7588]

Well, no... believing that insinuates that a deal was possible. I knew at least two years ago that Cousins wanted out, I said it then and repeat it now, I don't believe that there was any amout at any time from that time on that Kirk would have been agreeable to. It was as @Shark stated, personal. Where he got it wrong was in making the personal issues one way.

People wanted to paint Kirk as some sort of boy next door, good guy, which is, as I've stated on a number of occassions, BS. Think about that for a moment, what's the typical immediate reaction when someone goes personal against someone else? ( rhetorical) It's also personal. The working relationship was destroyed and you might then de ide to whistle while you worked, it doesn't mean that you aren't preparing the resume'. The adult in this mess was Kirk's agent who thus far has served his client perfectly. It was his job to know the ins and out of contracts and negotiations a d his job to advise his client to be cool, say this when asked, and that to get around specific questions.

I think a deal was possible if the team wanted him and didn't lowball him.
I think Shark is spot on with the idea the team never wanted him.

This whole situation is 100% on Allen and the FO.
In hindsight the best move long ago would have been to trade him before his 4th year. 2nd best move would have been to never FT a guy you don't want and just moved on with the Comp pick.
Don't blame Kirk here, look at Snyder and Co.

 

[Stymietee]

I think a deal was possible if the team wanted him and didn't lowball him.
I think Shark is spot on with the idea the team never wanted him.

This whole situation is 100% on Allen and the FO.
In hindsight the best move long ago would have been to trade him before his 4th year. 2nd best move would have been to never FT a guy you don't want and just moved on with the Comp pick.
Don't blame Kirk here, look at Snyder and Co.

So in essence, no matter the reasons, a deal was NOT possible. I agree that it's origination began with Allen and Snyder and from that perspective it was all 100% on the FO. Let's remember that this whole thing has been going on since the end of the 2015 season, Kirk didn't have to stay and could have made it known that he wouldn't play on a tag either. As crazy as that sounds, the money now totaling 44 million, was an issue in his staying for as long as he did. The other side of that coin was, as you've stated, their unwillingness to part with him sooner.