Gordon Hayward to the C's...

[The Q]

Danny needs to use his MLE on some 2g depth and his biannual except on Larry Sanders for as long as mother f*cking possible.

Buy low homey. Buy low.

 

[Gman]

So now that the dust has settled a bit... here's at my interpretation of the C's tentative depth chart:

PG - Isaiah Thomas, Marcus Smart, Terry Rozier, Demetrius Jackson

SG - Jaylon Brown, Marcus Smart, Jayson Tatum

SF - Gordon Hayward, Jae Crowder, Jaylon Brown, Marcus Morris, Jayson Tatum

PF - Marcus Morris, Jae Crowder, Al Horford, Jordan Mickey

C - Al Horford, Ante Zizic

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Let's say, for the sake of argument, the C's pick up one more serviceable back-up at PF/C (which they'll almost certainly do).

Good enough to beat Cleveland yet?

Strengths of roster - team offense, versatility, wing depth, perimeter defense

Weaknesses of roster - Rebounding, rim protection, front court depth

Gotta update after the latest roster move:

Tentative depth chart:

PG - Isaiah Thomas, Marcus Smart, Terry Rozier, Demetrius Jackson

SG - Jaylon Brown, Marcus Smart, Jayson Tatum

SF - Gordon Hayward, Jae Crowder, Jaylon Brown, Marcus Morris, Jayson Tatum

PF - Marcus Morris, Jae Crowder, Al Horford, Jordan Mickey

C - Al Horford, Aron Baynes, Ante Zizic

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Feel a good bit better about the front court rotation after the additions of Morris and Baynes... rebounding and rim protection still a weakness of the C's, no doubt, but these are sensible moves.

 

[The Q]

Gotta update after the latest roster move:

Tentative depth chart:

PG - Isaiah Thomas, Marcus Smart, Terry Rozier, Demetrius Jackson

SG - Jaylon Brown, Marcus Smart, Jayson Tatum

SF - Gordon Hayward, Jae Crowder, Jaylon Brown, Marcus Morris, Jayson Tatum

PF - Marcus Morris, Jae Crowder, Al Horford, Jordan Mickey

C - Al Horford, Aron Baynes, Ante Zizic

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Feel a good bit better about the front court rotation after the additions of Morris and Baynes... rebounding and rim protection still a weakness of the C's, no doubt, but these are sensible moves.

I still want Sanders.

But they really need another SG. Preferably one who can shoot outside of 3 ft.

 

[DJ Fieri]

Danny needs to use his MLE on some 2g depth and his biannual except on Larry Sanders for as long as mother f*cking possible.

Buy low homey. Buy low.

Sanders is under contract.....they signed him to a 2 year deal last year. Due to make 1.8 million.

Cleveland Cavaliers Team Payroll | Basketball-Reference.com

 

[Gman]

I still want Sanders.

But they really need another SG. Preferably one who can shoot outside of 3 ft.

I think Brown has some room to continue to develop his outside shot.

I was actually pleasantly surprised with Brown's shooting this past season. 34% from 3 pt land isn't great... but that was supposed to be a weakness of his and he was a rookie after all... furthermore, he seemed to progress in this area as the season went on... and he made some clutch shots, too.

I don't think Marcus Smart will ever be a great shooter at this point.

 

[The Q]

Sanders is under contract.....they signed him to a 2 year deal last year. Due to make 1.8 million.

Cleveland Cavaliers Team Payroll | Basketball-Reference.com

Damn, didn't realize that.

Then Bad Danny fucked up last year.

 

[The Q]

I think Brown has some room to continue to develop his outside shot.

I was actually pleasantly surprised with Brown's shooting this past season. 34% from 3 pt land isn't great... but that was supposed to be a weakness of his and he was a rookie after all... furthermore, he seemed to progress in this area as the season went on... and he made some clutch shots, too.

I don't think Marcus Smart will ever be a great shooter at this point.

Which is unfortunate cause he's freaking great at a lot of other things.

He really just needs to be Bradley-lite on offense. Hit some open corner 3s, and run the offense when IT needs a breather (because he can dribble...which bradley never learned how to do lol)

 

[DJ Fieri]

Damn, didn't realize that.

Then Bad Danny fucked up last year.

The Cas are fucked without a GM and James headed out the door next summer.....could be one epic cluster-fuck next season.

 

[DJ Fieri]

I still want Sanders.

But they really need another SG. Preferably one who can shoot outside of 3 ft.

Heyward made 39.8% of his 3's last season.....I expect him to be shooting a lot of them next season.

 

[The Q]

The Cas are fucked without a GM and James headed out the door next summer.....could be one epic cluster-fuck next season.

Bad DAnny = when Ainge makes a mistake.

Good Danny - when he makes a good move.

Good Danny signed Hayward.

Bad DAnny took JR freaking Giddens over DeAndre Jordan

 

[The Q]

Gotta update after the latest roster move:

Tentative depth chart:

PG - Isaiah Thomas, Marcus Smart, Terry Rozier, Demetrius Jackson

SG - Jaylon Brown, Marcus Smart, Jayson Tatum

SF - Gordon Hayward, Jae Crowder, Jaylon Brown, Marcus Morris, Jayson Tatum

PF - Marcus Morris, Jae Crowder, Al Horford, Jordan Mickey

C - Al Horford, Aron Baynes, Ante Zizic

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Feel a good bit better about the front court rotation after the additions of Morris and Baynes... rebounding and rim protection still a weakness of the C's, no doubt, but these are sensible moves.

I think you'll see alot more of

IT
GH
Crowder
Morris
Horford

than you're thinking here.

that might be their best lineup.

 

[Gman]

I think you'll see alot more of

IT
GH
Crowder
Morris
Horford

than you're thinking here.

that might be their best lineup.

You may be right... don't read too much into my order there... heck, for much of last season, Amir Johnson was the starter... although that was clearly not the best lineup the C's could field.

 

[Gman]

Gotta update after the latest roster move:

Tentative depth chart:

PG - Isaiah Thomas, Marcus Smart, Terry Rozier, Demetrius Jackson

SG - Jaylon Brown, Marcus Smart, Jayson Tatum

SF - Gordon Hayward, Jae Crowder, Jaylon Brown, Marcus Morris, Jayson Tatum

PF - Marcus Morris, Jae Crowder, Al Horford, Jordan Mickey

C - Al Horford, Aron Baynes, Ante Zizic

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Feel a good bit better about the front court rotation after the additions of Morris and Baynes... rebounding and rim protection still a weakness of the C's, no doubt, but these are sensible moves.

Gotta update my update... what a crazy off-season for the C's...

Tentative depth chart:

PG - Kyrie Irving, Marcus Smart, Terry Rozier,

SG - Jaylen Brown, Marcus Smart, Gordon Hayward

SF - Gordon Hayward, Jaylen Brown, Jayson Tatum, Marcus Morris

PF - Marcus Morris, Al Horford, Daniel Theis, Guerschon Yabusele

C - Al Horford, Aron Baynes

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Depth has definitely taken a hit... C's are light in the front court (basically sporting a 3 man rotation here). Have to think another body or two will be added. Also light in terms of lacking a true/traditional SG... although the C's have enough versatile guys to cover here.

Strengths of roster - team offense, go-to scoring, versatility, wing depth, perimeter defense

Weaknesses of roster - Rebounding, rim protection, front court depth, 3pt % shooting

 

[LogicMan]

G, thats why they signed Shane Larkin as a 4th and emergency PG. I think there 3Pt% will go up BTW. The issue is simply 2 things: ball rotation if Kyrie wants to ISO, and, will this crop including Kyrie play D like Crowder and Bradley. In the 4th quarter, we all know it will be Uncle Drews space. I really have high hopes for the Dancing Bear

 

[The Q]

G, thats why they signed Shane Larkin as a 4th and emergency PG. I think there 3Pt% will go up BTW. The issue is simply 2 things: ball rotation if Kyrie wants to ISO, and, will this crop including Kyrie play D like Crowder and Bradley. In the 4th quarter, we all know it will be Uncle Drews space. I really have high hopes for the Dancing Bear

I do too, just not in year 1. very few rookies make a positive impact, especially defensively.

 

[The Q]

Gotta update my update... what a crazy off-season for the C's...

Tentative depth chart:

PG - Kyrie Irving, Marcus Smart, Terry Rozier,

SG - Jaylen Brown, Marcus Smart, Gordon Hayward

SF - Gordon Hayward, Jaylen Brown, Jayson Tatum, Marcus Morris

PF - Marcus Morris, Al Horford, Daniel Theis, Guerschon Yabusele

C - Al Horford, Aron Baynes

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Depth has definitely taken a hit... C's are light in the front court (basically sporting a 3 man rotation here). Have to think another body or two will be added. Also light in terms of lacking a true/traditional SG... although the C's have enough versatile guys to cover here.

Strengths of roster - team offense, go-to scoring, versatility, wing depth, perimeter defense

Weaknesses of roster - Rebounding, rim protection, front court depth, 3pt % shooting

Yeah, Danny not at least getting Larry Sanders out of this deal hurts alot. He was exactly what they needed.

Rumor is they're interested in Bogut, who could be a really good fit here. Although I'm not sure how well he and Al fit together, but at least it's some depth.

 

[LogicMan]

I expect we will hear that they signed Thomas Robinson today or tomorrow to address bench and rebounding

 

[Gman]

I think there 3Pt% will go up BTW.

If we're talking strictly about next season, I can't agree with you. C's lost:

- Avery Bradley
- Kelly Olynyk
- Jae Crowder

All of the above were in and around 40% 3pt shooters.

 

[LogicMan]

If we're talking strictly about next season, I can't agree with you. C's lost:

- Avery Bradley
- Kelly Olynyk
- Jae Crowder

All of the above were in and around 40% 3pt shooters.

G, here is my argument:

Kyrie vs IT, advantage Kyrie
Kelly vs Morris, wash
Jae vs Gordon, Gordon (more consistent)
AB vs Tatum/Brown, advantage AB

So overall I think shooting talent on the three is about the same. But teams are much more likely to double Kyrie than they would have IT, and that is going to open up the three. Hayward can also ISO which Jae could not, having the same effect on the opposite side. Gentlemens Bet?

 

[tlance]

Yeah, Danny not at least getting Larry Sanders out of this deal hurts alot. He was exactly what they needed.

Rumor is they're interested in Bogut, who could be a really good fit here. Although I'm not sure how well he and Al fit together, but at least it's some depth.

Larry Sanders is cooked man. Not the same guy.

He stepped away from the league in his athletic prime to hang out and smoke weed. I watched him some over the summer when he was playing in "The Basketball Tournament". He was just a guy in that event. He isn't the athletic freak he once was. He is not a difference maker anymore. Heck, he might not even be an NBA player.