Game Strategy / Stupid Play Calling / Garrett / Linehan

[cowboycolors]

Garrett has been a on the job training Coach since he went to work for the Cowboys. When Wade lost the team and Jerry promoted Garrett I honestly don't think he was completely ready to be the Head Coach of the Cowboys but he has learned from his mistakes. Hiring a OC to take over the play-calling duties to let Garrett be a walk around coach was most likely the smartest thing Jerry did or let happen since he hired Jimmy back in 89. It finally allowed Jason to concentrate on being the HC and not being overwhelmed. Tom had his time of not exactly being the best coach in the stadium when he was young and benefited from having a owner extend his contract and create security and stability with the Cowboys. That turned out pretty good for a long time for the Cowboys.

Now I am in no way saying Jason is Tom Landry that's totally unfair to any coach. I do believe that Jason is a better coach today than he has been at any time in his career. Does he have flaws of course every coach does. With everything said how many other coaches would be able to coach the Cowboys and work in the "Jerry Jones World" ? I submit the list is very short on the ones that could last. Jason has been here longer than anyone but Tom ! Think about that for the doubters.

Now I don't think that Jason is one of those transcendent coaches like " he can beat you with his then turn around and beat his with yours " type coaches . But maybe just maybe he is headed squarely in that direction. Team buy-in is the first step to that lofty level and Jason has that covered.

In my lifetime only Lombardi, Landry, Walsh, Noll, Shula, Madden, Belichick hold that honor in football.

Jason may never get to that level but he beats the hell out of Campo, Gailey, Switzer, Phillips, and win a SB and he joins Tom Landry and Jimmy in lofty company in Cowboys lore.


JMHO

 

[es4m11]

it's an opinion like yours is an opinion
No?

Question?
when Garrett wins coach of the year....will it be because
a) the players
b) other coaches
c) Jerry
d) all the above

An opinion, yes, as is mine. But at least mine is rooted in some sort of reality. To say Garrett would have his pick of jobs with his current resume is laughable to me.

I'm not trying to bash Garrett, although some may see it that way. Just trying to be objective. I actually like Garrett the man. His game day flaws are ever present though, and it shocks me that such a smart man hasn't been able to fix these shortcomings of his. Namely clock management, which has literally cost Dallas a handful of wins in his time here.

Don't you think you're putting the cart before the horse a little, declaring Garrett will win coach of the year? But to answer your question, it is "(A) the players". Garrett had largely the same talent last year - minus Prescott and Elliott - and was unable to do jack squat. Only managed to squeeze one win out of a Romo-less team. Couldn't coach up the backup QBs at all. Now all of a sudden Elliott may be the best RB in the league and Prescott has been a revelation playing mistake free football like a top 10 QB - and wouldn't you know it, the wins have followed.

If Garrett was such a great coach, why couldn't he squeeze more than one win (not counting the Romo games) out of largely the same roster last year, minus two rookies?

Is Garrett a terrible coach? No. Is Garrett a great coach? No. Has he gotten better in his time here? Yes. Still an average coach, though.

 

[UK Cowboy]

#1 reason
players play hard for Garrett and buy in to everything he is selling.

this seems more likely to me than being a solid "yes man" for Jerry

Well said. Players play hard for Garrett in spite of Jerry pulling the rug out from under him half the time. He's 6-1 starting a 4th round rookie QB. If that's not coaching, I don't know what is. And you're correct, my statement about JG being a hot commodity if he were a free agent is just my opinion, but one I stand by. I'm looking around the league, and unless Bellicheat, Tomlin and maybe Carroll hit the market, I don't know who would look better. Factor in age, yeah, he'd last 5 minutes on the open market

 

[ROMOTOOWENS]

Mid season awards on NFL Live today - Belicheck got coach of the yr. JG, for some reason was not even nominated. Wingo did bring his name up after the fact. Peterson,Del Rio,Zimmer were the other nominees. Not sure who did the voting. Yes I realize it doesn't mean a thing , but as a Garrett supporter it kind of dissappointed me he wasn't nominated. Oh and Zeke needed a U haul truck to take home all his awards

 

[PDay8810]

And you're correct, my statement about JG being a hot commodity if he were a free agent is just my opinion, but one I stand by.

I agree with you. Any vacant job would have huge interest in Garrett. I think it's primary Dallas fans that think he's somewhat sub-par

 

[PDay8810]

If Garrett was such a great coach, why couldn't he squeeze more than one win (not counting the Romo games) out of largely the same roster last year, minus two rookies?

it wasn't the same roster but I'd ask how they won 12 games in 14 with basically the same poster as 2013?

My opinion is coaches have little effect on the play once called in the game.

also....I do think Garrett gets coach of the year should Dallas continue to win and land #1 seed. It's just an opinion and has no more value than yours.

 

[es4m11]

it wasn't the same roster but I'd ask how they won 12 games in 14 with basically the same poster as 2013?

My opinion is coaches have little effect on the play once called in the game.

also....I do think Garrett gets coach of the year should Dallas continue to win and land #1 seed. It's just an opinion and has no more value than yours.

To be clear, I respect your opinion - it's why I bother to have these conversations with you.

Regarding your question "how they won 12 games in 14 with basically the same poster as 2013?"

"(A) it's the players" The reason that 2014 improved so much was because Romo, Dez, and Murray all had career years - thanks in large part to a much improved Oline that got a HUGE shot in the arm from an All-Pro rookie Zack Martin.

In 2015 we lost all 3 playmakers that made 2014 special, and thus the losing record. To me, Garrett doesn't move the needle much one direction or another.

 

[jarntt]

I think Garrett is in the running for coach of the year. Of course since it is early anything can happen and there are a lot in the mix, but so far he is a TW brain fart and Bailey bomb from being undefeated. Now of course one could say the last thing he should have done before calling the play was tell everyone to get the fuck out of bounds or he will kill them on that play, but none the less things have gone better than any one expected so far. Remember, it's not just Romo. It's our best pass rusher for 4 games, arguably the best OL in the league for 2 games, our best corner (at least preseason) for a few games, our starting young stud LG for most of the year, a starting MLB and nickel pass rusher out all year, our blocking TE and #2 receiving TE out all year...Yet we keep rolling...You don't have to love Garrett, or even like him, but you have to at least give him some credit for our success or you are just playing to an agenda established long ago and refusing to see reality...

 

[es4m11]

I think Garrett is in the running for coach of the year. Of course since it is early anything can happen and there are a lot in the mix, but so far he is a TW brain fart and Bailey bomb from being undefeated. Now of course one could say the last thing he should have done before calling the play was tell everyone to get the fuck out of bounds or he will kill them on that play, but none the less things have gone better than any one expected so far. Remember, it's not just Romo. It's our best pass rusher for 4 games, arguably the best OL in the league for 2 games, our best corner (at least preseason) for a few games, our starting young stud LG for most of the year, a starting MLB and nickel pass rusher out all year, our blocking TE and #2 receiving TE out all year...Yet we keep rolling...You don't have to love Garrett, or even like him, but you have to at least give him some credit for our success or you are just playing to an agenda established long ago and refusing to see reality...

No one is saying Garrett deserves none of the credit, at least I am not. Maybe Star is, but I haven't really read his posts.

The injury situation is what it is, and every team in the NFL gets hit hard with injuries every now and again - not saying Garrett doesn't deserve some credit there, only that it is not a challenge unique to his situation.

All in all, I'm not dissatisfied with Garrett, we could do much worse given the situation in Dallas. I think this 6-1 start has the fan base gassed up, and rightfully so. I just find some of the comments regarding Garrett's overall impact on the team to be a little over the top, and based on his body of work to this point I feel like we are losing a little objectivity.

 

[jarntt]

No one is saying Garrett deserves none of the credit, at least I am not. Maybe Star is, but I haven't really read his posts.

The injury situation is what it is, and every team in the NFL gets hit hard with injuries every now and again - not saying Garrett doesn't deserve some credit there, only that it is not a challenge unique to his situation.

All in all, I'm not dissatisfied with Garrett, we could do much worse given the situation in Dallas. I think this 6-1 start has the fan base gassed up, and rightfully so. I just find some of the comments regarding Garrett's overall impact on the team to be a little over the top, and based on his body of work to this point I feel like we are losing a little objectivity.

Yeah, wasn't directed at you. Kind of coincidence you posted what you did between the time I started typing and my post. I actually agree with some of what you are saying. It drives me nuts he can't figure out time management, but I also agree that Garrett is doing a good job overall.

 

[PDay8810]

In 2015 we lost all 3 playmakers that made 2014 special, and thus the losing record. To me, Garrett doesn't move the needle much one direction or another.

Fair enough...with the exception of perhaps little Bill, which coaches move the needle in today's game?

 

[Godstree]

I agree with you. Any vacant job would have huge interest in Garrett. I think it's primary Dallas fans that think he's somewhat sub-par

Other than BB, what coach has 100% of the support from fans, players and the owner? There are a couple that are close to 85% but the fans of teams always want about as much pure perfection out of their coach and when it doesn't happen frustration sits in. When I blasted JG in the other thread penalties pissed me off big time and some of the play calling especially before the half.

 

[es4m11]

Fair enough...with the exception of perhaps little Bill, which coaches move the needle in today's game?

Coaches who move the needle in the right direction...

1. Belechik
2. Zimmer
3. Harbaugh
4. Arians
5. Reid

HM: Rivera, Carroll

These are the guys who I consider to be the top 5 coaches in the NFL, in that order. Not completely sold on Rivera and Carroll, but they are knocking on the door of my top 5.

IMO, everything beyond these guys is interchangeable, for the most part, with the exception of a few guys who I deem as obvious downgrades.

 

[DALLAScornhusker]

I like John Fox's no-BS style as a HC. He is most definitely in my 5 (if I sat and made one). Dude does not care one bit about what you've done prior to this year or the size of your ego. In a performance based job, he shows the willingness to take guys out of the lineup if they don't perform.

 

[jarntt]

I like John Fox's no-BS style as a HC. He is most definitely in my 5 (if I sat and made one). Dude does not care one bit about what you've done prior to this year or the size of your ego. In a performance based job, he shows the willingness to take guys out of the lineup if they don't perform.

I've always liked Fox also.

 

[PDay8810]

Coaches who move the needle in the right direction...

1. Belechik
2. Zimmer
3. Harbaugh
4. Arians
5. Reid

HM: Rivera, Carroll

These are the guys who I consider to be the top 5 coaches in the NFL, in that order. Not completely sold on Rivera and Carroll, but they are knocking on the door of my top 5.

IMO, everything beyond these guys is interchangeable, for the most part, with the exception of a few guys who I deem as obvious downgrades.

I asked the question. I'll just state what I stated earlier in this thread.

" My opinion is coaches have little effect on the play once called in the game"

Garrett gets his team to play every week and through 7 weeks, he's right there with any of the guys your list for 2017 coach of the year...........least IMO he is

 

[es4m11]

I asked the question. I'll just state what I stated earlier in this thread.

" My opinion is coaches have little effect on the play once called in the game"

Garrett gets his team to play every week and through 7 weeks, he's right there with any of the guys your list for 2017 coach of the year...........least IMO he is

I agree with this, said so earlier in the thread.

And you're right, he is right there with any of those guys I listed for coach of the year - this year. That said, I would still take any of the guys I listed ahead of Garrett if I am selecting a head coach.

Karl Malone won a couple MVPs during Jordan's second three-peat - doesn't mean I would ever take Malone over Jordan.

 

[jarntt]

I agree with this, said so earlier in the thread.

And you're right, he is right there with any of those guys I listed for coach of the year - this year. That said, I would still take any of the guys I listed ahead of Garrett if I am selecting a head coach.

Karl Malone won a couple MVPs during Jordan's second three-peat - doesn't mean I would ever take Malone over Jordan.

Well, I do agree with you there as we sit here today...but, just maybe, Garrett is still improving and when all is said and done he is seen as the equal to all, or at least a few of those guys. One day long ago BB was just a guy that failed miserably in Cleveland...look at him now...

 

[PDay8810]

And you're right, he is right there with any of those guys I listed for coach of the year - this year. That said, I would still take any of the guys I listed ahead of Garrett if I am selecting a head coach.

Karl Malone won a couple MVPs during Jordan's second three-peat - doesn't mean I would ever take Malone over Jordan.

I wouldn't and couldn't go that far...not for the Dallas gig

and sorry...Malone to Jordan isn't the same unless we are focused in on only little bill

 

[UK Cowboy]

I asked the question. I'll just state what I stated earlier in this thread.

" My opinion is coaches have little effect on the play once called in the game"

Garrett gets his team to play every week and through 7 weeks, he's right there with any of the guys your list for 2017 coach of the year...........least IMO he is

Coaches who move the needle in the right direction...

1. Belechik
2. Zimmer
3. Harbaugh
4. Arians
5. Reid

HM: Rivera, Carroll

These are the guys who I consider to be the top 5 coaches in the NFL, in that order. Not completely sold on Rivera and Carroll, but they are knocking on the door of my top 5.

IMO, everything beyond these guys is interchangeable, for the most part, with the exception of a few guys who I deem as obvious downgrades.

Outside of BB, JG is right there with any of those guys IMO