Game #2: Patriots vs Dolphins 9/15/2019

[BigKen]

Next time the Patriots see the Dolphins will be week 17.

Local media are whining about playing Brady in the fourth quarter, throwing passes when the score was already 30-0. They're really bitching about the Casino Blitz on the last play of the game that resulted in a second Collins INT.

Maybe BB was pissed that Flores took 5 assistants to Miami with him and BB hyadto rebuild his staff.

 

[nefansince75]

Patriots will travel to Miami for a 1:00 PM game against the Dolphins. Game will be on CBS.

Adam Schefter is reporting that there is a lot of ugly talk amongst the players in Miami. Some players want out and others are accusing ownership of tanking the season for a higher spot, possibly #1 in the 2020 draft.

Dolphins gave up 59 points in Week 1 to the baltimore Ravens. The question as immediately asked if the Ravens were that good or the Dolphins that bad. Lamar Jackson torched the miami secondary for 5 TDs.

It may take more than a lateral play with 13 seconds left to win this one for the Dolphins.

So ....who plays QB? Fitzpatrick or Josh Allen??

They keep saying they are emphasizing 60 minutes.. I'm buying it. This is the pros not high school. No need to recognize starters by taking them out or letting subs play for the sake of getting into a game. Play 60 minutes every game and you get used to playing 60 minutes EVERY game.

 

[NWPATSFAN]

They keep saying they are emphasizing 60 minutes.. I'm buying it. This is the pros not high school. No need to recognize starters by taking them out or letting subs play for the sake of getting into a game. Play 60 minutes every game and you get used to playing 60 minutes EVERY game.

I agree but he did sit Gilmore after his INT. Without going back and watching it not sure if he sat others?
That's when NE went prevent and almost blew the shutout.

 

[nefansince75]

But even that can be rationized as playing 60 minutes. That's what BB would call "situational". We saw a blow out, but they were icing out a close game. I would think Gilmore would be part or maybe others needed that experience more. 60 minutes doesn't mean all starters all the time. It means all game roles all the time.

 

[Rex Racer]

 

[YankeeRebel]

They keep saying they are emphasizing 60 minutes.. I'm buying it. This is the pros not high school. No need to recognize starters by taking them out or letting subs play for the sake of getting into a game. Play 60 minutes every game and you get used to playing 60 minutes EVERY game.

I can't agree with this at all. It takes one point to win in the league, it's not table tennis. There is a lot to be said when you have a commanding lead about resting starters, giving lesser team members game time, preventing injury to first team players etc.. What the Pats did was pile it on for no real reason it's sort of embarrassing IMO.

 

[nefansince75]

I can't agree with this at all. It takes one point to win in the league, it's not table tennis. There is a lot to be said when you have a commanding lead about resting starters, giving lesser team members game time, preventing injury to first team players etc.. What the Pats did was pile it on for no real reason it's sort of embarrassing IMO.

That's a valid opinion, but there's no substitute but real game speed and real games do last 60 minutes.

Your point is also made value by the game lead made the situations more of a mimic since the urgency of a real game isn't there and I guess mimicking is what practices are for... I still see my point, but very much see yours too.

But it's the Dolphins who s/b embarrassed because it's their job to stop the Patriots, not the Patriots. Players have incentives and careers are judged by stats (as well as the next contract, possibly somewhere else). There are reasons to keep playing and the only real reason to stop in your safety concern.

 

[nefansince75]

I would argue you got this backwards since they don't stop anyone from scoring either.

 

[YankeeRebel]

That's a valid opinion, but there's no substitute but real game speed and real games do last 60 minutes.

Your point is also made value by the game lead made the situations more of a mimic since the urgency of a real game isn't there and I guess mimicking is what practices are for... I still see my point, but very much see yours too.

But it's the Dolphins who s/b embarrassed because it's their job to stop the Patriots, not the Patriots. Players have incentives and careers are judged by stats (as well as the next contract, possibly somewhere else). There are reasons to keep playing and the only real reason to stop in your safety concern.

We all know the game is 60 minutes no need to continue to state the obvious. And the starters you could rest and protect have plenty of exp with game time speed, we're not talking a shit load of rookies and first year guys.

I can't help but think people who share your philosophy might sing a different tune if the Pats are up 35 to 0 in the 3rd then Brady takes one to the knee and is lost for the season. Sure would have been nice to have sat him when the situation dictated it could have been done. Sure would have been nice to get Stidham and some other less experienced guy's some of that game time speed experience you spoke of.

We are lucky nothing happened to key members of this team because the Pats wanted to be greedy, and greed is all this really is.

 

[nefansince75]

We all know the game is 60 minutes no need to continue to state the obvious. And the starters you could rest and protect have plenty of exp with game time speed, we're not talking a shit load of rookies and first year guys.

I can't help but think people who share your philosophy might sing a different tune if the Pats are up 35 to 0 in the 3rd then Brady takes one to the knee and is lost for the season. Sure would have been nice to have sat him when the situation dictated it could have been done. Sure would have been nice to get Stidham and some other less experienced guy's some of that game time speed experience you spoke of.

We are lucky nothing happened to key members of this team because the Pats wanted to be greedy, and greed is all this really is.

Dude, do you really think I'm BB giving insights to the few select who regularly post on this board? These are not my philosophies I'm commenting on. I'm commenting on what BB and the team are saying and what I think it really means. I hope we all know the game has 60 minutes, but I mentioned what the team is emphasizing and what they are emphasizing is that you play every down as though the game is on the line. I know this because THEY keep saying "play for 60 minutes".

The fins game last year has a lot to do with the emphasis since they only played 59 minutes and 45 seconds. I agree with you that they could have easily won it with 45 good minutes or less.

 

[Yankee Traveler]

I can't agree with this at all. It takes one point to win in the league, it's not table tennis. There is a lot to be said when you have a commanding lead about resting starters, giving lesser team members game time, preventing injury to first team players etc.. What the Pats did was pile it on for no real reason it's sort of embarrassing IMO.

I agree with some of this.
Situational football says play the situation of an injured starter, play a back up, or even move players around to give them game time in a position they may need to sub in Like LT to RT or corner to safety.
But hell no, don't ever take your foot off the gas.
Especially on an ex coach that took as many assistants as he could, and is tanking intentionally for the number 1.

 

[YankeeRebel]

I agree with some of this.
Situational football says play the situation of an injured starter, play a back up, or even move players around to give them game time in a position they may need to sub in Like LT to RT or corner to safety.
But hell no, don't ever take your foot off the gas.
Especially on an ex coach that took as many assistants as he could, and is tanking intentionally for the number 1.

So hold a grudge against a guy that has a shot at being a head coach? And he only asked the other coaches to leave they went of their own accord. I really don't want to go back and forth with this. I will say this, if they do this again, hold a commanding lead leave TB in and he gets injured I will revisit this with a sheepish grin on my face.

 

[BigKen]

Guys, in all honesty, this back and forth shit is getting a bit old. Every weekiwhether there an agreement or disagreement, you're posting the exactr same sentiment every post and trying to out informationalize and over empathize one another when you both have valid points to make.

First... In the past 20 years, BB has never once told Brady to sit and let someone else yakeover whther the score is 60-0 or 6-3. So don't expect it it to happen now.

Is it stupid? Maybe. Every play there's a risk of serious injury whether the score is 63-0 or 6-3.

Should Brady have been playing late in the fourth quarter? Probably not. BUT, and it's a big but, BB doesn't give a rat's shit what we think or anyone else thinks. If he's alright with Brady playing in meaningless time during a game, so be it. No one is paying any6 of us $9M a year of our opinions.

Finally, Belichick has said repeatedly over the past twenty years that every game is 60 minutes and that every player must be able to play the game for 60 minutes. It's early in this season, and my guess, not opinion, is that BB wants his starters playing a whole game unless hurt so that come January and February, they can play 60 minutes and an overtime and win.

Neither of you are wrong, nor is either point more valid than the other. They are both valid points. Belichick doesn't see them as separate points. He sees them as........If this, Than that, if not fine.

 

[PatsFanInColtsCountry]

Brady was asked about playing late in the Miami game. This is what he said:

Like I said, our job is to go out there and play football and score points. It’s not to do anything less than move the ball down the field. They don’t put us out there to run three plays and punt. We’re supposed to go down there and make things happen.

“Again, it feels good to finish the game the way we did just because you want to see how you are at the end. There are going to be plenty of critical times at the end of these games coming up where we are going to need to be at our best at the end. That’s just good conditioning and good training for us. That’s what our job is.”
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[cheerupcharlie]

I also wouldn’t put it past Coach B to stick it to the Dolphins because of Shula’s stupid referral of Belichick as “Beli-cheat”. Kind of a “suck it Don!”

 

[YankeeRebel]

Guys, in all honesty, this back and forth shit is getting a bit old. Every weekiwhether there an agreement or disagreement, you're posting the exactr same sentiment every post and trying to out informationalize and over empathize one another when you both have valid points to make.

First... In the past 20 years, BB has never once told Brady to sit and let someone else yakeover whther the score is 60-0 or 6-3. So don't expect it it to happen now.

Is it stupid? Maybe. Every play there's a risk of serious injury whether the score is 63-0 or 6-3.

Should Brady have been playing late in the fourth quarter? Probably not. BUT, and it's a big but, BB doesn't give a rat's shit what we think or anyone else thinks. If he's alright with Brady playing in meaningless time during a game, so be it. No one is paying any6 of us $9M a year of our opinions.

Finally, Belichick has said repeatedly over the past twenty years that every game is 60 minutes and that every player must be able to play the game for 60 minutes. It's early in this season, and my guess, not opinion, is that BB wants his starters playing a whole game unless hurt so that come January and February, they can play 60 minutes and an overtime and win.

Neither of you are wrong, nor is either point more valid than the other. They are both valid points. Belichick doesn't see them as separate points. He sees them as........If this, Than that, if not fine.

Well we do need some back and forth it's the driving force behind a message board! And your post just added to the same back and forth you are trying to chastise us for. So really if you want us to STFU maybe you should have considered that?

 

[Shoeshine Boy]

Unless you’re worried about the other team getting chippy and trying to hurt Brady intentionally, injury risk isn’t any more of reason to sit him in a blowout than in any other game situation.

The only other real reason to pull him for me would be to get Stidham in for some live fire. But as we’ve seen with every other young QB for the last twenty years, Bill doesn’t share in that philosophy.

 

[YankeeRebel]

Unless you’re worried about the other team getting chippy and trying to hurt Brady intentionally, injury risk isn’t any more of reason to sit him in a blowout than in any other game situation.

The only other real reason to pull him for me would be to get Stidham in for some live fire. But as we’ve seen with every other young QB for the last twenty years, Bill doesn’t share in that philosophy.

So based on this you feel the chances of Brady potentially getting injured are the same whether he is in the game or on the sideline? Well, shit it all makes sense now.

 

[sharkymcwrath]

I would've liked to have seen Stidham play the fourth quarter with McDaniel's foot completely down on the gas pedal. Would be great to see our backup QB torch them for a couple of TD's in garbage time.

 

[nefansince75]

Guys, in all honesty, this back and forth shit is getting a bit old. Every weekiwhether there an agreement or disagreement, you're posting the exactr same sentiment every post and trying to out informationalize and over empathize one another when you both have valid points to make.

First... In the past 20 years, BB has never once told Brady to sit and let someone else yakeover whther the score is 60-0 or 6-3. So don't expect it it to happen now.

Is it stupid? Maybe. Every play there's a risk of serious injury whether the score is 63-0 or 6-3.

Should Brady have been playing late in the fourth quarter? Probably not. BUT, and it's a big but, BB doesn't give a rat's shit what we think or anyone else thinks. If he's alright with Brady playing in meaningless time during a game, so be it. No one is paying any6 of us $9M a year of our opinions.

Finally, Belichick has said repeatedly over the past twenty years that every game is 60 minutes and that every player must be able to play the game for 60 minutes. It's early in this season, and my guess, not opinion, is that BB wants his starters playing a whole game unless hurt so that come January and February, they can play 60 minutes and an overtime and win.

Neither of you are wrong, nor is either point more valid than the other. They are both valid points. Belichick doesn't see them as separate points. He sees them as........If this, Than that, if not fine.

You should save your interjections on the back and forths that aren't civil.... As far as I can tell, this one is civil, at least my participation is... Sometimes perspectives need some back and forth to truly complete a debate... It's not like we're saying "fuck you/eat shit" or even "eat dick" .