Draft Day Thread ( I was looking for it! )

[Anointed One]

since 2016, CBs taken #5 or higher have a pretty good track record. It's old thinking that CBs don't warrant top 5 picks. If remaining healthy, Witherspoon should make an immediate impact.

Very true... I was just going to say something along those lines... Rarely do you see a CB bust when they're drafted in the top 10...

 

[Wolvie]

I couldn't be happier with this draft. The more I think about it, the more I see the genius in the route they went. We have a stacked secondary. Stacked! Our top 3 wrs are the best in the league I would imagine. We got great depth in our oline, great depth at rb, and if our DL, DE, and OLB pan out then we're in great shape

 

[blstoker]

How were those depth picks? They were needed picks, imo... Were you wanting Michael Jackson to remain the starter at CB? Who was our slot WR going into this season? Dareke Young? Depth reminds me of, "bench" players... These picks are definitely not bench players... All 4 are going to get a lot of snaps/PT...

Are you just assuming we're done addressing needs? What if they are already in agreement with Frank Clark to sign him post draft? We don't know those things... What if they feel the picks we had in 3rd-5th were great value picks and had planned on taking them in those spots instead of taking the "Public consensus" picks in rounds 1 & 2...

Hard to figure you out sometimes because it seems like you look for reasons to complain instead of finding things to enjoy about the team... For example, you have constantly beat up our franchise for not taking a bruising back... We finally do this year and you're complaining about that pick by stating it as a depth pick...

I coulda sworn the last however many year MrS has complained about the first round picks because he wanted BPA and Seattle chose someone else. He hammered that "you have to take the BPA" and how dare they take someone else. Consensus BPA has always been his main sticking point about Seattle's late first round picks. Now, they take BPA, but it's not who he wanted again, so it's now an issue it wasn't a position of need. Who cares if CB is an actual need.

 

[seattlefan75]

I coulda sworn the last however many year MrS has complained about the first round picks because he wanted BPA and Seattle chose someone else. He hammered that "you have to take the BPA" and how dare they take someone else. Consensus BPA has always been his main sticking point about Seattle's late first round picks. Now, they take BPA, but it's not who he wanted again, so it's now an issue it wasn't a position of need. Who cares if CB is an actual need.

Yeah at the end of the day looking back at other drafts nobody will ever blame you for drafting a player that turned out to be a star in the league

 

[Podunkparte]

lets revisit when we go down in flames because theres no run defense.

Define "down in flames."

What's the last season you'd say this team went down in flames? All of them?

 

[Screamin12th]

Define "down in flames."

What's the last season you'd say this team went down in flames? All of them?

I think he means a losing season and hell we almost had that last year but had some luck on our side.

 

[Podunkparte]

I think he means a losing season and hell we almost had that last year but had some luck on our side.

Going down in flames suggests absolute disaster. Last year we had just traded away our franchise QB and most around here predicted a losing season, if not worse.

It's hard for a season to go down in flames when you out perform expectations and make the playoffs.

 

[blstoker]

Going down in flames suggests absolute disaster. Last year we had just traded away our franchise QB and most around here predicted a losing season, if not worse.

It's hard for a season to go down in flames when you out perform expectations and make the playoffs.

About the only way I can see the season "going down in flames" the way I see that phrase is if 1. Geno Smith plays like I expected him to play this last season or 2. injuries.

If 1 happens, then there isn't much to do beside seeing if Lock can save things.

if 2 happens, we'll be happy for these "depth" players being on the roster.

 

[MrS]

Define "down in flames."

What's the last season you'd say this team went down in flames? All of them?

one and done in the playoffs again because we cant stop the run? or despite how good our backs are, they cant find any room to run?

 

[Anointed One]

one and done in the playoffs again because we cant stop the run? or despite how good our backs are, they cant find any room to run?

If we drafted DL and didn't address RB, you would just say, "Despite how good our DL is, they can't run the ball on offense..."... Whether that's fair or not to you, it just seems like the pattern you follow... Damn'd if you do, damn'd if you don't...

 

[flyerhawk]

one and done in the playoffs again because we cant stop the run? or despite how good our backs are, they cant find any room to run?

Seriously suggesting that the difference in our playoff success is going to be based on not drafting some linemen in the 1st round is just ridiculous.

Before the draft a lot of us were saying that we needed another draft like last year where we hit an abnormally high number of players in order to change our playoff prospects. It doesn't really matter what players they drafted and where.

If Cam Young turns out to be a stout lane clogging run defender and Bradford or Oluwatimi achieve similar success as Abe Lucas last year and Witherspoon/JSN perform as hoped then team will be significantly better this year. Assuming that Geno doesn't completely flop which I think is unlikely.

It's not like we didn't do anything in the offseason. We have a new center to replace one of the worst centers in football last year. We moved on from Gabe Jackson who was generally bad last year he played. We replaced Cody Barton with Bobby Wagner. We replaced Shelby Harris and Poona Ford with Dre Jones and Jarran Reed.

The defense is unlikely to be a good defense this year. But it might be an average defense this year which would be a huge step up from the past few years. The truth is that this was likely to be true no matter who we drafted this year. But there is almost no way that our run defense will be as bad as last year and our pass defense will almost CERTAINLY be better.

 

[flyerhawk]

If we drafted DL and didn't address RB, you would just say, "Despite how good our DL is, they can't run the ball on offense..."... Whether that's fair or not to you, it just seems like the pattern you follow... Damn'd if you do, damn'd if you don't...

In fairness, I doubt he would complain about RB. But he would complain about picking the wrong player.

But if we actually drafted a guard at 5 he would have complained about how we should have got better value.

 

[Warden]

I think he means a losing season and hell we almost had that last year but had some luck on our side.

That is what was said about the Seahawks last year

 

[Warden]

Overall, I do believe that with our offseason Acquisitions and our draft, we have become a better team then last year. I do think we need to Bring Harris or Woods back.

 

[MrS]

If we drafted DL and didn't address RB, you would just say, "Despite how good our DL is, they can't run the ball on offense..."... Whether that's fair or not to you, it just seems like the pattern you follow... Damn'd if you do, damn'd if you don't...

I dont think we did enough to address our biggest needs, do you?

Seriously suggesting that the difference in our playoff success is going to be based on not drafting some linemen in the 1st round is just ridiculous.

Before the draft a lot of us were saying that we needed another draft like last year where we hit an abnormally high number of players in order to change our playoff prospects. It doesn't really matter what players they drafted and where.

If Cam Young turns out to be a stout lane clogging run defender and Bradford or Oluwatimi achieve similar success as Abe Lucas last year and Witherspoon/JSN perform as hoped then team will be significantly better this year. Assuming that Geno doesn't completely flop which I think is unlikely.

It's not like we didn't do anything in the offseason. We have a new center to replace one of the worst centers in football last year. We moved on from Gabe Jackson who was generally bad last year he played. We replaced Cody Barton with Bobby Wagner. We replaced Shelby Harris and Poona Ford with Dre Jones and Jarran Reed.

The defense is unlikely to be a good defense this year. But it might be an average defense this year which would be a huge step up from the past few years. The truth is that this was likely to be true no matter who we drafted this year. But there is almost no way that our run defense will be as bad as last year and our pass defense will almost CERTAINLY be better.

I think they waited too long to address our biggest needs. MAYBE young turns out to be a starter quality player, but its more likely he turns out to be nothing.

This is what you were saying before the draft, that taking a player high gives you a vastly better chance at hitting on him.

I dont know why its controversial to point this out,. Especially when pretty much every body was surprised they picked CB and WR which basically nobody here saw coming.

 

[flyerhawk]

I dont think we did enough to address our biggest needs, do you?


I think they waited too long to address our biggest needs. MAYBE young turns out to be a starter quality player, but its more likely he turns out to be nothing.

This is what you were saying before the draft, that taking a player high gives you a vastly better chance at hitting on him.

I dont know why its controversial to point this out,. Especially when pretty much every body was surprised they picked CB and WR which basically nobody here saw coming.

We all agree that drafting a player earlier gives you a better chance at success. And a lot of us were really hoping that they took Jalen Carter who was BPA and a position of need. Once they decided they weren't taking Carter then there wasn't a clear player that solves our front 4 issues.
Tyree Wilson is an edge rusher that isn't great against the run. Skoronksi fills a need at a non-premium position. Witherspoon was the consensus No.1 or No. 2 CB in the draft.

IOW, once they put Carter off the board, for whatever reason, there wasn't a clear choice that fits a need MORE than Witherspoon does. Let's not pretend that Michael Jackson was a high quality corner. He was, at best, a league average corner. Witherspoon offers a SIGNIFICANT improvement at that position and he will be a near certain starter on opening day. You can't say that about Wilson. Skoronski likely would be a starter.

JSN is a bit different in that there were other options they could have taken. There were more players they could have taken. But none of the players they could have taken would have been NTs except Mazi Smith who has his own risks. Smith would have been a quite a reach for us and is a 4-3 DT.

You are arguing that the team should have drafted for need and not BPA which is just strange coming from you.

 

[HaroldSeattle]

5 of 10 picks were in the trenches picks, I would of thought that Snuggles would approve because I know he loves building both DL and OL.

 

[Warden]

Let’s not forget that Jalen Carter was passed on ten times in the draft which is a lot considering he went ninth over all. He was passed on twice by two different teams. That is a lot of scouts, GMs and coaches that did not feel he was the best player in the draft

 

[flyerhawk]

5 of 10 picks were in the trenches picks, I would of thought that Snuggles would approve because I know he loves building both DL and OL.

One of the reasons why I was big on Carter was that everything I read said that this was a weak class for interior lineman. So once we didn't go with Carter, the gap between 2 and 15 in DTs wasn't that great.

 

[MrS]

5 of 10 picks were in the trenches picks, I would of thought that Snuggles would approve because I know he loves building both DL and OL.

Feels too little too late

Did you want them to take a small CB at 5? I dont think anybody did. Hugh millen said on kjr of all 180lb corners taken in round one the last 25 years only one made all pro, Antoine winfield and he was a late first round pick. A guy that size at 5 was totally unprecedented. Seems like a high risk pick at that spot, why not take a risk on carter who could be a generational talent?

Let’s not forget that Jalen Carter was passed on ten times in the draft which is a lot considering he went ninth over all. He was passed on twice by two different teams. That is a lot of scouts, GMs and coaches that did not feel he was the best player in the draft

If the car accident didnt happen, he might have gone at 3. I dont think it was about talent.

You are arguing that the team should have drafted for need and not BPA which is just strange coming from you.

Im not buying we picked bpa, we will see how things play out though.