Does Wash deserve any credit for the turn around?

[romeo212000]

It doesn't stop there. We saw that insane move he made last night putting Murphy in right field. Cost a run immediately in the first inning. Later Murphy made another little league error. Bad decisio and bad play that will not support a winning team.

Absolutely. Those brain farts are going to have to be few and far between. We cannot afford those moments going forward.

 

[bradw516]

To be fair to David, he's played 184 career games in right and only made 2 errors. Both plays last night were terrible and should've been errors in my eyes, but it's not like he's just being thrown to the wolves.

 

[TDs3nOut]

All I'm saying is if they put it together now then the guy deserves a lot of credit.

I think that Wash has already earned a lot of credit, which is why I'm reluctant to throw him or any of the players under the bus when we struggle.

Nelly is definitely a significant loss. Wash is in charge of figuring out how to replace him. Whoever then replaces him is then in charge of how he hits. Personally, I wouldn't be too surprised if Murphy fills in sufficiently.

 

[romeo212000]

To be fair to David, he's played 184 career games in right and only made 2 errors. Both plays last night were terrible and should've been errors in my eyes, but it's not like he's just being thrown to the wolves.

I don't understand why he was out there to begin with? You need your best arm in rf and cf. Put your weaker arm in LF. Thats the biggest reason Cruz played RF and very few people were foolish enough to test him. Martin has played rf and has an absolute cannon. Why the hell would you not put Beltre in cf, Martin in rf, and Murphy in his natural LF position.

 

[romeo212000]

I think that Wash has already earned a lot of credit, which is why I'm reluctant to throw him or any of the players under the bus when we struggle.

Nelly is definitely a significant loss. Wash is in charge of figuring out how to replace him. Whoever then replaces him is then in charge of how he hits. Personally, I wouldn't be too surprised if Murphy fills in sufficiently.

Wash has succeeded in large part due to an incredibly talented roster most of his time here. He doesn't have an entire lineup of the same caliber he used to now, especially with Cruz gone. Now is the time wash proves to me how good he is.

 

[PDay8810]

wow....just wow

 

[DT LUNA]

I think that Wash has already earned a lot of credit, which is why I'm reluctant to throw him or any of the players under the bus when we struggle.

Nelly is definitely a significant loss. Wash is in charge of figuring out how to replace him. Whoever then replaces him is then in charge of how he hits. Personally, I wouldn't be too surprised if Murphy fills in sufficiently.

All concerned have made good contributions earning credit or we would not be where we are. But we can ill afford making same mistakes over and over. Example: bad base running, plate discipline and not utilizing the right players for the right position. Murphy is a #4 OF and should have been playing LF. His arm strength is more suited there. The division is in sight and probably will regain 1st if we tighten up in a few areas. But yes Wash deserves credit same as everyone.

 

[pegasusredleg]

I don't understand why he was out there to begin with? You need your best arm in rf and cf. Put your weaker arm in LF. Thats the biggest reason Cruz played RF and very few people were foolish enough to test him. Martin has played rf and has an absolute cannon. Why the hell would you not put Beltre in cf, Martin in rf, and Murphy in his natural LF position.

I think RW did not put EB in center because he usually likes to "ease" the AAA players in a bit before riding them.

 

[bradw516]

I don't understand why he was out there to begin with? You need your best arm in rf and cf. Put your weaker arm in LF. Thats the biggest reason Cruz played RF and very few people were foolish enough to test him. Martin has played rf and has an absolute cannon. Why the hell would you not put Beltre in cf, Martin in rf, and Murphy in his natural LF position.

I'm not convinced Martin has any stronger of an arm than Murphy does.

 

[pegasusredleg]

I'm not convinced Martin has any stronger of an arm than Murphy does.

I have to disagree with you. Martin has a strong arm. He has proved that many times this season from CF and RF.

 

[bradw516]

I have to disagree with you. Martin has a strong arm. He has proved that many times this season from CF and RF.

So has Murphy. Not saying Martin doesn't have a strong arm, but he's not that much stronger than Murphy like Cruz was. Not to mention, Murphy has a better feel on how to make the right throw, i.e. knowing when to hit your cutoff and when to try to throw a runner out. Martin is still young and always wants to challenge, and has missed the cutoff man several times this year allowing runners to advance and score in later at bats.

 

[jta4437]

So has Murphy. Not saying Martin doesn't have a strong arm, but he's not that much stronger than Murphy like Cruz was. Not to mention, Murphy has a better feel on how to make the right throw, i.e. knowing when to hit your cutoff and when to try to throw a runner out. Martin is still young and always wants to challenge, and has missed the cutoff man several times this year allowing runners to advance and score in later at bats.

Martin has an arm that rivals Cruz and is probably more accurate

Murphy has a adequate arm, but is not in the same class as Martin, at all, but for sure he can make the occasional great throw

Murphy showed why he shouldn't be out there in RF, and hasn't played there all year, Martin has

 

[terpsfball09]

Without a doubt he does I think. He is a GREAT clubhouse manager, and I dont think anyone will argue that. His players play hard for him because he always has their back. My biggest complaints have always been about his in game decisions regarding the bullpen, bunts, steals, etc.

 

[bradw516]

Martin has an arm that rivals Cruz and is probably more accurate

Murphy has a adequate arm, but is not in the same class as Martin, at all, but for sure he can make the occasional great throw

Murphy showed why he shouldn't be out there in RF, and hasn't played there all year, Martin has

Going to completely disagree with you. Cruz has what is widely considered a top 10 arm in all of baseball, Martin definitely does not have that. On a scale of 1-10, I would put Martin closer to Murphy on that scale than Martin to Cruz.

 

[Windingmywatch]

Going to completely disagree with you. Cruz has what is widely considered a top 10 arm in all of baseball, Martin definitely does not have that. On a scale of 1-10, I would put Martin closer to Murphy on that scale than Martin to Cruz.

I think most of us here will disagree with you Brad. Cruz does have a top 10 arm and could be that Martin is his equal. His throw last night from mid warning track in Left Center that took one small bounce to Profar is just the most recent example. Murphy wouldn't have gotten within 30 feet of that.

Of the five OF on TEX roster Martin and Gentry have the best arms. Have not seen Beltre or certainly Butler tested ... but Murphy is a LFer for a reason. Would not be surprised to find out that of the five Murphy has the least capable arm.

 

[terpsfball09]

Martin has a very similar arm to Cruz. It might not appear that way because on average he is throwing longer distances being in center. One could make an argument that if you consider everything that goes into a throw, Martin has the best arm on the team.

 

[bradw516]

Ok so this is from Fangraphs. I will admit I remembered this info incorrectly (had Gentry and Murphy swapped in my mind), but it still backs up my point that Martin isn't the power arm you want him to be, and is technically closer to Murphy than Cruz. This puts Martin as barely above average, and Murphy barely below. So yes he has a stronger arm, but it doesn't change my point really.

Gentry Arm Strength/Accuracy = 58/57
Martin Arm Strength/Accuracy = 58/62
Murphy Arm Strength/Accuracy = 43/51
Cruz Arm Strength/Accuracy = 78/60

 

[terpsfball09]

That can't be right information. Anyone who thinks Gentry's arm and Martin's arm is the same is clearly not watching the same games I am

 

[Tharvot]

If they can pull this off the next two months, then you can give him AL MotY.

Easy there. I think the managers in Tampa, Boston, and Cleveland (even KC) may have something to say about that.

But I agree that Wash has been a solid manager, for all his quirks.

 

[terpsfball09]

Joe Girardi should even be up for discussion. The stuff that man has managed to pull off in a tough division is incredible considering all of their injuries