Dodgers trade for HamRam

[gp956]

I haven't heard much about Scutaro's character, but I don't think he'd cause too much trouble playing half a season for a team that is currently in first place rather than a team that is currently in last.

Yeah, Huff's and Franchez' waste of $16MM really make some deals where we take on salary tough. I'm no expert on this, but I'm assuming Scutaro has about $1.5 left this year and Bentancort has about $1 (someone please correct me if I'm way off). But if we pick up all the salary on both deals (Scutaro is a FA, Bentancourt has another year @ $4MM), we would only have to give up someone like Hembree, if that.

Hembree for both? I wouldn't do that, unless Hembree really does need Tommy John surgery. I'd give them something like a Wendell Fairly and Jackson Willliam type.

 

[Heathbar012]

It's always pro-rated. There is no way the Giants are trading their farm system for players 33+ years old. I'd suspect they can get Cuddyer for nearly nothing, and the same with Scutaro. Salary relief only.

Even better. Cuddyer's Home/Away Splits aren't as bad as I feared, and I recall him being a smart, gap-to-gap hitter. A career OBP of .341 and no year (EDIT: with more than 580 PAs) with less than 28 doubles would support that. He will be overpaid for the next two years considering his poor defense currently gives him 0 wins above replacement, but even a park-adjusted regression to a .750 OPS will be extremely helpful for the hitters around him this year. It's still a bad idea, but if they truly could get all three for next to nothing prospect-wise, it might be worth slightly hand-cuffing the off-season budget.

 

[Heathbar012]

Hembree for both? I wouldn't do that, unless Hembree really does need Tommy John surgery. I'd give them something like a Wendell Fairly and Jackson Willliam type.

I like that trade.

 

[CameronFrye]

Zito LOVES LA, doesn't he?

And with that spacious park, he'd be SURE to have a better pitching line. Now we just have to convince Agent Ned.

 

[msgkings322]

And with that spacious park, he'd be SURE to have a better pitching line. Now we just have to convince Agent Ned.

Careful what you wish for. This year, who scares you more taking the ball to pitch in an important game, Zito or Timmy?

 

[tzill]

I guess, but is scutaro mainly a backup now? Is that a role he'd accept? I'd still like to have a speed guy on the bench.

We have at least one, depending upon whomever isn't starting between Nate and Shark.

 

[gp956]

From Dave Cameron at Fangraphs:

What the Marlins have done in the past three days is trade two months of a pitcher they probably weren’t going to re-sign, a year and a half of an average second baseman, and an overpaid underachiever who most teams wouldn’t have even claimed on waivers. As Knobler notes, the Marlins were willing to pick up half of Ramirez’s salary to trade him to Oakland, and Billy Beane was hesitant to even pull the trigger at that price. This wasn’t so much a fire sale as it was an inventory closeout of unwanted goods.

and now Dave Cameron writes in his trade deadline winners article:

While I defended the Marlins side of the Ramirez deal, this was a trade that made sense for Los Angeles as well, as the new ownership group has money burning a hole in their pocket and the marginal value of a win for the Dodgers is extremely high. They had a gaping hole on the left side of the infield, and even the less productive version of Ramirez represented a significant upgrade for the Dodgers.

Which I think is pretty much what most of us thought originally. Cameron summarizes all the dodger moves with:

As a high revenue team that can easily absorb Hanley Ramirez’s contract, the Dodgers essentially maximized what they could do to help their team win now, and they won’t suffer in the future for making these moves. Hard to do much better than that.

 

[SFGRTB]

I don't agree with that last part. Look what happened to the Phillies, shit even the RedSox, they gut stuck with these bad contracts (Howard, Utley) and are forced to part with the better, younger players (Pence, Victorino). They are committed to some serious cash for the next few years and don't have the resources to improve a quickly aging roster.

And the Phillies are a big market and actually fill up their seats consistently (dodgers still can't do that).

 

[gp956]

I don't agree with that last part. Look what happened to the Phillies, shit even the RedSox, they gut stuck with these bad contracts (Howard, Utley) and are forced to part with the better, younger players (Pence, Victorino). They are committed to some serious cash for the next few years and don't have the resources to improve a quickly aging roster.

And the Phillies are a big market and actually fill up their seats consistently (dodgers still can't do that).

It's really about TV money these days. I snipped out the middle where Dave stated the dodgers didn't give up anything of consequence. I agree with Dave, they still have a lot of flexibility to absorb bad contracts - and of the players acquired we're really only talking about hanram's.

 

[MarcoPolo]

I don't agree with that last part. Look what happened to the Phillies, shit even the RedSox, they gut stuck with these bad contracts (Howard, Utley) and are forced to part with the better, younger players (Pence, Victorino). They are committed to some serious cash for the next few years and don't have the resources to improve a quickly aging roster.

And the Phillies are a big market and actually fill up their seats consistently (dodgers still can't do that).

Sure they can - just not for the first 3 or the final 2 innings ...

 

[Stokes1931]

Sure they can - just not for the first 3 or the final 2 innings ...

I just moved to the Central Valley, and a few weeks ago went to see the Modesto Nuts play the San Jose Giants. I got confused, turned down a few wrong streets, and wound up arriving in the top of the 2nd inning. The kid selling tickets didn't miss a beat: "You must be from LA!" And I even had my Giants' hat on! He knew!

 

[ColinCoby]

Sure they can - just not for the first 3 or the final 2 innings ...

Very true!

Dodgers averaging over 41,000 fans at home this year...something you would never believe unless you turned a Doyer game on in the 5th inning.

 

[SFGRTB]

Very true!

Dodgers averaging over 41,000 fans at home this year...something you would never believe unless you turned a Doyer game on in the 5th inning.

Still don't believe it, watched the entire game today and capacity never went above 30,000, if that.


But all very true, arrive in the 3rd, leave in the 7th to beat traffic. LOL

 

[ColinCoby]

Still don't believe it, watched the entire game today and capacity never went above 30,000, if that.


But all very true, arrive in the 3rd, leave in the 7th to beat traffic. LOL

Or rather:

Friend of a friend of a friend of a guy who owns a successful business with Dodger season tickets gives some Valley Dude some nice seats...and at the last minute he chooses not to use them.

I bet about 8,000 Angelenos have an unused ticket from today's game sitting in a drawer somewhere.

 

[Stokes1931]

He's now 6-35 with the Bums, with 4 of those hits coming against the Giants in one forgettable series.

Excepting that series, HanRam is 2-20 for the Bums.

Secret Agent Ned is at it again.

 

[ColinCoby]

He's now 6-35 with the Bums, with 4 of those hits coming against the Giants in one forgettable series.

Excepting that series, HanRam is 2-20 for the Bums.

Secret Agent Ned is at it again.

While Arias is 5 for his last 16.

With tzill being absent, someone had to point that out.

(Hanleygate really messed up this board)

 

[SFAnthem]

He's now 6-35 with the Bums, with 4 of those hits coming against the Giants in one forgettable series.

Excepting that series, HanRam is 2-20 for the Bums.

Secret Agent Ned is at it again.

While Arias is 5 for his last 16.

With tzill being absent, someone had to point that out.

(Hanleygate really messed up this board)

Not to mention that "triple" was a misplay by the CF, would've been caught by any decent outfielder

 

[MarcoPolo]

HanRam had the game-winning hit last night

 

[Mays-Fan]

HanRam had the game-winning hit last night

Meh. *I* could have done against the Cubs bullpen.

 

[SF11704]

He still freaking worries me .... especially when we are playing them. Our season may very well come down to how we fair on the head-to-head matchups with them. I still don't relish the idea of facing Kershaw, Billingsley, Blanton and whoever else they throw at us. Couple that with HanRam, Kemp and Either ... and it just makes for an uncomfortable series. Gives our SP very little wiggle room for error.