Do you agree with the selection committee's make up?

[7Samurai13]

I don't want equal representation. I want an 8 team playoff, just like I did in 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, etc. This isn't a new hot take. The vast majority of people on message boards wanted an 8 team from the beginning but the 4 team was better than nothing. Which it still is.

I only see moronic Bama fans still clamoring for the BCS or keeping the 4 team forever. It's served them pretty well. Hasn't served most of college football all that great though from a fandom standpoint. Making the damn Rose Bowl feels like a letdown season.

What the playoffs have done is basically make bowl games meaningless. Even more than they already were during the BCS.

Even if the 8 seed gets smashed, at least their fans got to be excited for a couple weeks and feel like their season meant something.

At least teams like Wisconsin, Ohio St, and UCF get a chance to be Saban's bitch too. I don't see why more high quality football and chance for parity is a bad thing in college football.

Especially a fan of the school you root for. An undefeated season or stars aligning perfectly have to occur for Michigan St to get in as long as a committee gets to play beauty pageant.

You win your conference, you get a shot. You don't, then you have to play beauty pageant. That's pretty damn fair to everybody.

Well first and foremost, Michigan State has made a playoff without an undefeated season and given an opportunity to show we were Saban’s bitch.

Secondly, even if it were 8 teams, UCF would not have made it because they were 12th in the final committee rankings.

Thirdly, I was talking with the individual who wanted the ten conference champs only. Although I do not like an 8 team playoff but I would prefer that over 10 conference champs only.

 

[4down20]

If Bama deserves to be there, then Bama should be there. I don't want 8 teams to stop Saban. I want it because it makes the most sense. Saban is gonna do what Saban does either way. Win games.

If the BCS was still in effect, Alabama wouldn't have won the National Championship.

So your little lame ass claims that Alabama fans only want this system or the BCS because it serves them is total bullshit.

 

[Old Lion]

Getting blown the fuck out by Notre Dame and Iowa eliminated teams not location.

I did not realize Central Florida lost to them.

 

[Old Lion]

Weird, Ohio St went to the playoffs last year without winning their conference. Did they relocate?

I had the same issue last year. Thats why i am more vocal this year. Thats 2 years in a row. Plus a good undefeated team got left out.

 

[4down20]

I had the same issue last year. Thats why i am more vocal this year. Thats 2 years in a row. Plus a good undefeated team got left out.

I thought they got it right last year too. It's 4 best teams, if a conference fails to crown it's best team as the champion - that's a conference error, not a playoff problem.

And it is a conference problem that needs to be addressed. It should have been Penn St vs Ohio St in the Big10 conference championship game last year. Would have solved the problem in the conference, but that's not what happened. What happened was the Big10 instead put 2 other teams in the playoffs. And why did they do that? Because of "AQ" conference title championships in the form of division champions. Even though just like Alabama this year, Ohio St was punished for losing to a team that mattered, while the other teams were rewarded for playing in easier conferences and for having worse losses.

Speaking of losses - Penn St had 2 last year. But only 1 of those losses counted for the conference, the other meant nothing. So exactly why is the conference champion supposed to be a free meal ticket when they don't even take into account how good the teams actually are?

This is not the NFL where you have 16 game schedules and only 32 teams. Where each team plays everyone in their division twice.

 

[WNY_FOOTBALL_DUDE]

You started this post saying the SEC, ACC and Pac-12 were over represented. If you want to reexamine how that was bullshit, look at my first post in this thread.

As for your committee socialism, there is no way the P5 conferences will give equal representation to the G5 conferences, nor should they. If you didn't bring as much to the table you don't get as much to eat...this isn't a commune. There is a reason the P5 conferences get $270 million off the top from the playoffs and the G5's get $81 million.

Each conference does get a representative on the board of managers that overseas the CFP, that is about as equal as it's going to get.

Sorry Mr. Rollride94,

I fundamentally don't agree with you.

No where did I say that the "three SEC guys" were the reasons why Alabama got that 4th spot. No where. That's your interpretation, not my logical base. You seem to be under the impression that I am "bashing" your "precious" Tide football team. I am not. As I stated before, the Tide deserved the opportunity to win another National Championship.

College football has 10 conferences and the Independents. Every team deserves the opportunity to win a National Championship, therefore, if we're going to give everybody a shot, then we need to (a) cancel out the biases, and (b) give equal representation. It's called respecting your fellow human being and allowing all party members the ability to win. In other words, the Sun Belt, the MAC, C-USA, the American, and the Mountain West are FBS programs. They are not sub-humans.

I fundamentally don't agree that we should be discriminating against conferences and teams simply because they are not YOUR favorite conferences or teams.

You bring up "socialism", but that's an irrelevant point. Nobody is arguing that all the conferences should make the same amount of money. Nobody is arguing that the SEC needs to fork over their large profits and give it to the other conferences.

Other than Alabama Homers, I don't really see how anybody with a pulse can disagree with me here. Sorry. But we want to give everybody a fair shake and you support discrimination. That's something I cannot agree on.

And no, you're not correct about conference over-representation. The ACC, SEC, and Pac-12 have the most ties by any of the FBS conferences. Beamer has ties to the ACC and SEC. Willingham has primarily ties to the Pac-12. Radovich is tied to the ACC. Jeff Long is connected to the SEC. Bobby Johnson has ACC and SEC ties. Mullen is the connected to the Pac-12.

Which guys are connected to the Big-10, other than Gene Smith? Nobody. Holcott is the only guy connected to the Big-12.

Wieberg is a big Missouri fan. It's his team. It's pretty obvious that the SEC would be his flavor, now that they moved from the Big-12.

Just stating reality.

 

[Hook'Em0608]

If the BCS was still in effect, Alabama wouldn't have won the National Championship.

So your little lame ass claims that Alabama fans only want this system or the BCS because it serves them is total bullshit.

I'm not really saying Bama fans on this website, it's mostly just you. I think most Bama fans believe they will take advantage of whatever system is in place as long as Saban is there because the program is good enough to win however.

You've always been a BCS knob polisher, you like the beauty contest system. You can point to this year all you want, but we all know it's self serving. More times than not, the blue bloods benefit.

 

[tnapucco]

Welp...

Looks like his NCAA Tournament committee job is done.

 

[Hook'Em0608]

Well first and foremost, Michigan State has made a playoff without an undefeated season and given an opportunity to show we were Saban’s bitch.

Secondly, even if it were 8 teams, UCF would not have made it because they were 12th in the final committee rankings.

Thirdly, I was talking with the individual who wanted the ten conference champs only. Although I do not like an 8 team playoff but I would prefer that over 10 conference champs only.

Well, I know you lost the game so it's probably irrelevant, but I remember the arguments on this website that Michigan St deserved to be ranked higher in the playoff for most of the seasons rankings. Including the final rankings. It just didn't matter because they would have played the same team either way.

If you are cool with the 4 team playoff and teams like Ohio St, Wisconsin, and UCF missing a chance to win it all. Well, that's cool I guess. I think it would be fun to see and much fairer for all involved.

In an 8 team playoff, any undefeated conference champion should be in, regardless of conference. If we can't split the pie by 1/8 to the G5 schools, what is the point in playing in the save division of football with them?

P.S. And just ignore my militant tone about all this with 4down20. It really doesn't matter either way to me, the playoffs are better than the BCS, I just think it could improve more. I just think 4down20 is a fucking asshole about 90 percent of the time on just about any topic. So I like to push his buttons occasionally. It's not his arguments, it's his lack of tact and dismissal of any opposing view as stupid because it's not his.

 

[7Samurai13]

Welp...

Looks like his NCAA Tournament committee job is done.

If I was a fan of a team that is a perennial playoff contender in a conference that has shown that no team can compete with them in the conference and that everyone keeps saying that the conference is underrepresented in the committee, I wouldn’t want my AD to be on the committee. It’s one less voice in the room for us.

 

[4down20]

I'm not really saying Bama fans on this website, it's mostly just you. I think most Bama fans believe they will take advantage of whatever system is in place as long as Saban is there because the program is good enough to win however.

You've always been a BCS knob polisher, you like the beauty contest system. You can point to this year all you want, but we all know it's self serving. More times than not, the blue bloods benefit.

You claim you know because you've been posting with me for years, and yet you seem to believe I've always been a BCS knob polisher?

I've been in favor of the playoffs long before I came to this forum.

And why would I prefer a beauty contest? Alabama has won 50% of the national championships - on the field - over the past 10 years. It was only thanks to the on the field title that Alabama won this year. Furthermore, the SEC has been the biggest force in deciding the championship on the field rather than being a beauty contest - while other conferences like the Pac and Big10 blocked it for years. Alabama played in the very first "BCS" championship in 1992, the start of what would eventually force the Pac and Big10 to join after 1997.

Then the SEC started pushing for playoffs and who blocked it? Pac and Big10 and the Big12. It wasn't until the SEC locked out the rest of college football that they got off their asses and did anything. '

And now we have the playoffs and Alabama has won them 50% of the time and made them 100% of the time. Again, winning on the field.

So I really don't know why the fuck you are trying to pretend like Alabama is scared to get it done on the field. Maybe you need to find some USC fans.

Btw, the reason bowl games matter in the final poll rankings is because of Alabama. While multiple teams won the championship and then lost after - the both changed in response to Alabama doing it. The funny thing was - the AP ended up awarding Alabama another national championship the following year after Alabama won it's bowl game. It doesn't matter what system is there, Alabama always wins.

 

[4down20]

P.S. And just ignore my militant tone about all this with 4down20. It really doesn't matter either way to me, the playoffs are better than the BCS, I just think it could improve more. I just think 4down20 is a fucking asshole about 90 percent of the time on just about any topic. So I like to push his buttons occasionally. It's not his arguments, it's his lack of tact and dismissal of any opposing view as stupid because it's not his.

 

[7Samurai13]

Well, I know you lost the game so it's probably irrelevant, but I remember the arguments on this website that Michigan St deserved to be ranked higher in the playoff for most of the seasons rankings. Including the final rankings. It just didn't matter because they would have played the same team either way.

If you are cool with the 4 team playoff and teams like Ohio St, Wisconsin, and UCF missing a chance to win it all. Well, that's cool I guess. I think it would be fun to see and much fairer for all involved.

In an 8 team playoff, any undefeated conference champion should be in, regardless of conference. If we can't split the pie by 1/8 to the G5 schools, what is the point in playing in the save division of football with them?

P.S. And just ignore my militant tone about all this with 4down20. It really doesn't matter either way to me, the playoffs are better than the BCS, I just think it could improve more. I just think 4down20 is a fucking asshole about 90 percent of the time on just about any topic. So I like to push his buttons occasionally. It's not his arguments, it's his lack of tact and dismissal of any opposing view as stupid because it's not his.

Trust me, I do not agree on many things with 4D20 and him and I have gotten into more than once. People that think that an eight team playoff would end controversies are living in a dream world. The NCAA Tournament has 68 teams and every year there are shows about who was left out and snubbed.

It does suck that G5 schools have no shot at winning a national title under the current format. The committee has shown that it will not take G5 schools seriously and that it will give certain programs the benefit of the doubt.

A four team playoff is exactly what the NCAA wants. Everyone talking about the controversies and it puts emphasis on scheduling quality OOC games. Beating Oklahoma got OSU in last year. Better games gets bigger ratings. No one wants to watch Oklahoma Playing UTEP, not even @Deep Creek.

 

[Hook'Em0608]

You claim you know because you've been posting with me for years, and yet you seem to believe I've always been a BCS knob polisher?

I've been in favor of the playoffs long before I came to this forum.

And why would I prefer a beauty contest? Alabama has won 50% of the national championships - on the field - over the past 10 years. It was only thanks to the on the field title that Alabama won this year. Furthermore, the SEC has been the biggest force in deciding the championship on the field rather than being a beauty contest - while other conferences like the Pac and Big10 blocked it for years. Alabama played in the very first "BCS" championship in 1992, the start of what would eventually force the Pac and Big10 to join after 1997.

Then the SEC started pushing for playoffs and who blocked it? Pac and Big10 and the Big12. It wasn't until the SEC locked out the rest of college football that they got off their asses and did anything. '

And now we have the playoffs and Alabama has won them 50% of the time and made them 100% of the time. Again, winning on the field.

So I really don't know why the fuck you are trying to pretend like Alabama is scared to get it done on the field. Maybe you need to find some USC fans.

Btw, the reason bowl games matter in the final poll rankings is because of Alabama. While multiple teams won the championship and then lost after - the both changed in response to Alabama doing it. The funny thing was - the AP ended up awarding Alabama another national championship the following year after Alabama won it's bowl game. It doesn't matter what system is there, Alabama always wins.

You said so much shit in the post that I haven't said on here it's ridiculous. I have zero problem with Bama or Bama fans.

I openly argued against Ohio St fans on here that Bama deserved to go over them this year.

You love to try to play the victim of Bama jealousy on here. Yawn.

I simply want to see an 8 team playoff. Let's not get off track here and try to make this about Alabama like always with you.

 

[tnapucco]

If I was a fan of a team that is a perennial playoff contender in a conference that has shown that no team can compete with them in the conference and that everyone keeps saying that the conference is underrepresented in the committee, I wouldn’t want my AD to be on the committee. It’s one less voice in the room for us.

...and one more voice against those before us.

 

[4down20]

You said so much shit in the post that I haven't said on here it's ridiculous. I have zero problem with Bama or Bama fans.

I openly argued against Ohio St fans on here that Bama deserved to go over them this year.

You love to try to play the victim of Bama jealousy on here. Yawn.

I simply want to see an 8 team playoff. Let's not get off track here and try to make this about Alabama like always with you.

You claimed:

You've always been a BCS knob polisher, you like the beauty contest system. You can point to this year all you want, but we all know it's self serving. More times than not, the blue bloods benefit.

I'm just pointing out that you are full of shit. Alabama's history has been the opposite. Like most lazy and/or ignorant people, you just wanted to assume Alabama benefited and whatever because of the success.

 

[Hook'Em0608]

You claimed:



I'm just pointing out that you are full of shit. Alabama's history has been the opposite. Like most lazy and/or ignorant people, you just wanted to assume Alabama benefited and whatever because of the success.

BAMA BAMA BAMA!!!

I've made half a dozen post probably here, the first of which were not regarding Bama at all in the manner you are claiming, yet here you are. Trying to make a Bama oriented thread out of this.

Take it to the team board.

Either make an argument or take a stance about the playoff committee, the playoffs in general, or STFU and stop quoting me.

This shit isn't about Bama.

 

[Rolltide94]

Sorry Mr. Rollride94,

I fundamentally don't agree with you.

No where did I say that the "three SEC guys" were the reasons why Alabama got that 4th spot. No where. That's your interpretation, not my logical base. You seem to be under the impression that I am "bashing" your "precious" Tide football team. I am not. As I stated before, the Tide deserved the opportunity to win another National Championship.

College football has 10 conferences and the Independents. Every team deserves the opportunity to win a National Championship, therefore, if we're going to give everybody a shot, then we need to (a) cancel out the biases, and (b) give equal representation. It's called respecting your fellow human being and allowing all party members the ability to win. In other words, the Sun Belt, the MAC, C-USA, the American, and the Mountain West are FBS programs. They are not sub-humans.

I fundamentally don't agree that we should be discriminating against conferences and teams simply because they are not YOUR favorite conferences or teams.

You bring up "socialism", but that's an irrelevant point. Nobody is arguing that all the conferences should make the same amount of money. Nobody is arguing that the SEC needs to fork over their large profits and give it to the other conferences.

Other than Alabama Homers, I don't really see how anybody with a pulse can disagree with me here. Sorry. But we want to give everybody a fair shake and you support discrimination. That's something I cannot agree on.

And no, you're not correct about conference over-representation. The ACC, SEC, and Pac-12 have the most ties by any of the FBS conferences. Beamer has ties to the ACC and SEC. Willingham has primarily ties to the Pac-12. Radovich is tied to the ACC. Jeff Long is connected to the SEC. Bobby Johnson has ACC and SEC ties. Mullen is the connected to the Pac-12.

Which guys are connected to the Big-10, other than Gene Smith? Nobody. Holcott is the only guy connected to the Big-12.

Wieberg is a big Missouri fan. It's his team. It's pretty obvious that the SEC would be his flavor, now that they moved from the Big-12.

Just stating reality.

LOL, you just said Frank Beamer has ties to the SEC...How did you come up with that gem...how can I take anything else you says seriously when you say stupid shit like this.


Who is for the Big 10 other than Gene Smith? ...again, as I pointed out previously. Willingham is a former Player and Coach at Michigan St. Jeff Long spent 11 seasons in various positions at the University of Michigan versus 5 at Arkansas, where he is no longer working. Deromidi has 2 degrees from Michigan and coached at another Michigan state school. Rob Mullens spent 6 years as an Assistant AD at Maryland. All of which are infinitely more substantial than Wieberg and his 1980 degree from a fringe football school that wasn't even in the SEC then.

As for the Big 12, Holcutt, Jeff Long and Bower have all worked or coached in the B12, Mullens has two degrees from West Virginia.

You are quick to claim ties to various conferences, while ignoring those same times from other conferences. You keep saying Wieberg is an SEC honk because he has a degree from Missouri, while ignoring others that have multiple degrees from conferences you feel are under represented. I guess it's whatever you think it is.

I could care less who is from where, as long as they find the 13 most qualified people that are willing to serve. I was perfectly fine in 2014 and 2015 when Barry Alvarez and Tom Osbourne were both on the committee together. Was the B1G under represented then? Again, choose people of integrity and only those without any will have an issue.

You can fundamentally disagree with whatever you want, but the P5 conferences control the purse strings and they do not give a flying fuck about what you think about giving everybody a fair shake. Sorry to burst your naive bubble, but the G5 football programs are dependent on the P5 schools to make money, without the P5 money they are back playing FCS ball.

It has nothing to do with what I want...or especially what you want. Follow the money and you can figure it out for yourself. The P5 conferences are not going to give up the power because they have all the money. The G5 conferences aren't going to rock the boat because they also want to get paid.

Everything else is just window dressing.

 

[ralphiewvu]

If I was a fan of a team that is a perennial playoff contender in a conference that has shown that no team can compete with them in the conference and that everyone keeps saying that the conference is underrepresented in the committee, I wouldn’t want my AD to be on the committee. It’s one less voice in the room for us.

Words Hurt

 

[ralphiewvu]

It's damn near impossible for them to fuck it up. And even if they do fuck it up it's going to be some 4th place team and they aren't really there for anything more than a free meal - even though they've won 50% of the NC's so far.

Isn’t that fucking it up? The 4th place teams aren’t supposed to win.