Difference in QB eras

[RaZon]

In other news, George Washington is overrated because he doesn't know about modern military tactics. Albert Einstein's inability to communicate on the internet probably means that he would struggle in today's world.

George Washington vs missles, and big bombs?

 

[Tapey]

In other news, George Washington is overrated because he doesn't know about modern military tactics. Albert Einstein's inability to communicate on the internet probably means that he would struggle in today's world.

I mean shoot George Washington wasn’t very good at military tactics in his time.

 

[RaZon]

I do get a kick out of all this, ha!!!!

Robert Johnson first recorded his blues in 1936 in a hotel room in Texas, it is impossible to improve on those recordings. You cannot improve on The Mona Lisa. You cannot improve on what Lon Myers did pre 1900, holding Americans records at 50, 100, 200, 400, 800 and the mile. No heavyweight will ever improve on Marciano's 49-0. History is good, it's great. No NFL RB will ever dominate like Jim Brown did, no WR will ever rival Jerry Rice. No QB will ever be more successful than Tom Brady and no sprinter will ever surpass Usain Bolt, no Basketballer surpassing LeBron.

No teenage girl will ever rival Mary Shelly's Frankenstein, no actor will rival Bela Lugosi as Count Dracula, and only Clayton Moore can really pull over...HI HO SILVER.

Love it, ha!!!

 

[Wazmankg]

Is Tom Brady mobile, did he have a HOF career?

Tom Brady is not mobile. He is not fast. He is not particularly strong. Thus those attributes are not necessary to be a great NFL QB. That's my point.

Grahams two best receivers were Dante Levelli and Mac Speedie both averaged less than 17 yards a receptions. After they retired here comes Paul Warfield to the Browns, try.....19.2.

What does this have to do with Graham's ability? Absolutely nothing. Do you think that Graham would be more or less successful throwing to guys like Warfield or DeAndre Hopkins? He'd love having targets that great.

But again, no idea why you keep bringing up his WRs. Of course they would have trouble today. But we are not talking about WRs. We're talking about QBs. They are 2 completely different positions with completely different physical demands. Just stop it with "his WRs weren't fast enough to play today". That may be true.. or it may not, but it's irrelevant.

I could go on and one destroying all that silliness you are bringing.

So you bring up basketball for Graham, Baugh a great defender, but don't talk how RGIII being a tremendous athlete......huh????

Huh???? All great athletes are not great QBs? All great QBs are not great athletes. RG3 is the former. But RG3 has nothing to do with this discussion and you presenting him as some sort of example is just another distraction.

Dude, what about.......little, slow, weaker.....aren't you getting? There ain;t noway in hell those guys are doing anything other than getting hurt today.

My God guy give it up.

They are QBs. QBs do not have to be strong. QBs do not have to be fast. A QB's slow 40 time or weak bench press will never be a disqualifier as long as he can throw the ball with enough velocity and hit what he's aiming at.

You have no idea what you're talking about.. but sure go on and tell me more about all of these guys who didn't and don't play QB and have nothing to do with our discussion.

 

[RaZon]

Tom Brady is not mobile. He is not fast. He is not particularly strong. Thus those attributes are not necessary to be a great NFL QB. That's my point.



What does this have to do with Graham's ability? Absolutely nothing. Do you think that Graham would be more or less successful throwing to guys like Warfield or DeAndre Hopkins? He'd love having targets that great.

But again, no idea why you keep bringing up his WRs. Of course they would have trouble today. But we are not talking about WRs. We're talking about QBs. They are 2 completely different positions with completely different physical demands. Just stop it with "his WRs weren't fast enough to play today". That may be true.. or it may not, but it's irrelevant.



Huh???? All great athletes are not great QBs? All great QBs are not great athletes. RG3 is the former. But RG3 has nothing to do with this discussion and you presenting him as some sort of example is just another distraction.




They are QBs. QBs do not have to be strong. QBs do not have to be fast. A QB's slow 40 time or weak bench press will never be a disqualifier as long as he can throw the ball with enough velocity and hit what he's aiming at.

You have no idea what you're talking about.. but sure go on and tell me more about all of these guys who didn't and don't play QB and have nothing to do with our discussion.

Are you for real? You mention Drew Brees being mobile like Aaron Rodgers, then......huh????

Dude, you are trolling ain't ya?

 

[RaZon]

Bottom line

Sammy Baugh cannot play QB today and neither can Otto Graham and only a complete fool wouldn't understand that.

 

[Niner Outlaw]

It’s really difficult, if not impossible, to compare QBs from different eras.

Setting aside things like physical training, supplements, nutrition, and the formerly ludicrous idea of a “full time athlete”, the rules and gameplay today are night/day different in terms of offense in general, passing in particular, and QB-play most specifically. It’s not really disputable that QBs here in the recent era have it FAR easier than QBs had it in the 80’s, let alone the years that begat the “SuperBowl era.” The rules dictate which players are valued, which explains why the sizes, shapes, and speed of different players have changed over the eons.

Today, the rules prohibit and penalize hitting the QB. Break those rules and a defender and/or his coaches will be flagged, fined, suspended…maybe even killed.
--QBs can run and slide and not get hit
--QBs can be “called down” b/c they are merely “in the grasp” of a defender
--QBs can leave the pocket and throw the ball away without penalty
--QBs can lose a fumble but keep possession as long as they are patting or "tucking" the ball
--QBs can’t be hit below the lower thigh
--QBs can’t be hit above the shoulder, in the neck or head
--a defender can’t leap/lunge and hit a QB
--a defender can’t pick a QB up and fall on him
--a defender can’t hit a QB with the crown of his helmet
--if outside the pocket, a defender can’t QB pull a QB down from behind by their pads

Then there are the rules today that make it easier for a “passing offense” to operate. For instance, a Defender can’t:
--hold, bump, or hit a WR until the ball was on its way to that receiver
----however a WR can push off and it is rarely called (the rules used to be much more even)
--slap the head of an OLineman
--knock a receiver flat b/c he’s impeding his coverage path (i.e., why pick plays are so prevalent today)
--put his hands on an OL’s facemask
--hold, bump, or hit a WR 5yds beyond the LOS
--hit someone above the shoulder or below the knee unless he is “established” (why receivers rarely crossed the middle)

One never needs to wonder why “today’s QBs are so much better than they used to be.” It’s b/c they’re allowed to pass more with less risk, they can barely be hit without massive penalties/suspensions, and WRs are allowed to run routes without being touched much. Thirty years and more ago, teams didn’t average 30-50 passes per game b/c their QB would be knocked out for the season in short order. That’s why huge numbers and increased success at older ages should not rationally hold any water in the discussion of who are among the “best of all time” at the QB position.

 

[Tapey]

Bottom line

Sammy Baugh cannot play QB today and neither can Otto Graham and only a complete fool wouldn't understand that.

Well obviously, they are both dead.

 

[RaZon]

It’s really difficult, if not impossible, to compare QBs from different eras.

Setting aside things like physical training, supplements, nutrition, and the formerly ludicrous idea of a “full time athlete”, the rules and gameplay today are night/day different in terms of offense in general, passing in particular, and QB-play most specifically. It’s not really disputable that QBs here in the recent era have it FAR easier than QBs had it in the 80’s, let alone the years that begat the “SuperBowl era.” The rules dictate which players are valued, which explains why the sizes, shapes, and speed of different players have changed over the eons.

Today, the rules prohibit and penalize hitting the QB. Break those rules and a defender and/or his coaches will be flagged, fined, suspended…maybe even killed.
--QBs can run and slide and not get hit
--QBs can be “called down” b/c they are merely “in the grasp” of a defender
--QBs can leave the pocket and throw the ball away without penalty
--QBs can lose a fumble but keep possession as long as they are patting or "tucking" the ball
--QBs can’t be hit below the lower thigh
--QBs can’t be hit above the shoulder, in the neck or head
--a defender can’t leap/lunge and hit a QB
--a defender can’t pick a QB up and fall on him
--a defender can’t hit a QB with the crown of his helmet
--if outside the pocket, a defender can’t QB pull a QB down from behind by their pads

Then there are the rules today that make it easier for a “passing offense” to operate. For instance, a Defender can’t:
--hold, bump, or hit a WR until the ball was on its way to that receiver
----however a WR can push off and it is rarely called (the rules used to be much more even)
--slap the head of an OLineman
--knock a receiver flat b/c he’s impeding his coverage path (i.e., why pick plays are so prevalent today)
--put his hands on an OL’s facemask
--hold, bump, or hit a WR 5yds beyond the LOS
--hit someone above the shoulder or below the knee unless he is “established” (why receivers rarely crossed the middle)

One never needs to wonder why “today’s QBs are so much better than they used to be.” It’s b/c they’re allowed to pass more with less risk, they can barely be hit without massive penalties/suspensions, and WRs are allowed to run routes without being touched much. Thirty years and more ago, teams didn’t average 30-50 passes per game b/c their QB would be knocked out for the season in short order. That’s why huge numbers and increased success at older ages should not rationally hold any water in the discussion of who are among the “best of all time” at the QB position.

Good read, bravo!!!!

But....

Here is the big differerence...


....those kinds of athletes didn't exist once upon a time. Over 230 under 4,40.

 

[RaZon]

Well obviously, they are both dead.

You go half pint!!!!

 

[HaroldSeattle]

I mean shoot George Washington wasn’t very good at military tactics in his time.

Not a fan of the Fabian strategy he used?

 

[RaZon]

These days are long gone.....

 

[Tapey]

Not a fan of the Fabian strategy he used?

No, but the fact that he consistently fell for the opponent attacking them head on then sending another force to attack from behind is pretty funny.

 

[Tapey]

You go half pint!!!!

HAHAHAAHH OMG YOU ARE SO FUNNY, HOW DO YOU DO IT?!?!??!?!?!

 

[RaZon]

HAHAHAAHH OMG YOU ARE SO FUNNY, HOW DO YOU DO IT?!?!??!?!?!

It's called......know your target audience.

 

[Tapey]

It's called......know your target audience.

 

[PDay8810]

this asshat is a legend in his own mind. Nothing worse than a poster who thinks his opinion has more value than other opinions.

pitch a tent over this circus act

 

[RaZon]

Original you are not,

 

[Tapey]

Original you are not,

HAHAHAAHH OMG YOU ARE SO FUNNY, HOW DO YOU DO IT?!?!??!?!?!

 

[RaZon]

this asshat is a legend in his own mind. Nothing worse than a poster who thinks his opinion has more value than other opinions.

pitch a tent over this circus cat

So your car needs some work, you can take it to Smitty's that just opened up, Smitty a nice kid around 26ish. Or ya can take it to Roy's, Roy has been in town for over 30;s years, so where ya going?

Got into football around 59ish, same with music, literature, track, so I have a ton of experience. I talked about the Seahawks resigning Carson....bingo! I talked about using two cops on old ladies battling over a mask....bingo!