Detroit Tigers Ongoing 2015 Thread

[MiamiVice]

Dave Winfield is the gold standard? Have you ever heard of Pete Rose? Stan Musial? Ricky Henderson? I am leaving out Barry Bonds and Arod for obvious reasons.. but seriously.. of all people that played meaningful years after 40 you think Winfield is the gold standard?

 

[broncosmitty]

And once again... Nolan Ryan was 19 in 1966... He was not throwing high 90's until the mid 70's.... You can say what you want... but even IF there were guys that could throw upper 90's fastballs in the 60's.. there were only a handful... Its not even arguable... The average fastball is so much higher now than it was even 20 years ago... its not even comparable. Why anyone would even try to argue this is beyond me. Look it up.. The facts are there.

But look at where some of those 100mph fastballs are coming from. Shitbags like Bruce Rondon can chuck the ball like only a handful of people before the 80's. He would have been just as horrible then as he is now. Only pre61 he never would have sniffed the majors because there were half as many MLBers.

A guy like Bob Gibson(who I think threw around 100) or Bob Feller would be dominant today imo. A guy like Hal Newhouser, not so much.

 

[MiamiVice]

But look at where some of those 100mph fastballs are coming from. Shitbags like Bruce Rondon can chuck the ball like only a handful of people before the 80's. He would have been just as horrible then as he is now. Only pre61 he never would have sniffed the majors because there were half as many MLBers.

A guy like Bob Gibson(who I think threw around 100) or Bob Feller would be dominant today imo. A guy like Hal Newhouser, not so much.

100 mph fastballs are just an example of velocity... 46 pitchers whose fastball average at least 95 mph are in the MLB this year... wrap your mind around that.... they average 95... If you think there were 46 guys that averaged 95 in even the 90's you are wrong. How many do you think averaged 95 in 1970? 3? 1? 0? A league average fastball in 2015 was 92 mph... just 10 years ago it was only 90 mph... what do you think the average fastball was in 1965? 86? 88? That is being generous.

 

[Iffster]

jdwillis.....vice will lie/exaggerate when it suits his argument. Thus guys like Walter Johnson and Bob Feller are omitted. The fact that pitchers did not have to throw 100mph in earlier times is also forgotten in his swerves. Spitballs, greaseballs, doctored balls of all kinds were used instead. Be careful....when you call vice on one of his "mis-calls" he will swerve quickly onto something else. He will state opinions as facts and expect you to buy them. Best just to move on. Keep your view that older players were just as good and as exciting to watch as today's players. You see, one thing that guys like vice can't and won't ever get....when you saw those players playing in the 1960s and 1970s (or before), they were the best there were at that time. You weren't thinking about 2010 or 2015 when you were watching. Keep the memories.

 

[MiamiVice]

You can 100% guarantee Miggy could take a time machine and hit pitching from 1965 at the very least at the clip he hits today... Can you do the same for a guy like Babe Ruth for today?

 

[MiamiVice]

Iffy sent me this picture of himself.

 

[jdwills126]

Pretty sure they didn't have accurate radar guns in the 50s and 60s.

They also had fewer teams.

Juan Marichal could smoke it as well. Whitey Ford and on and on.

If a guy could hit Seaver, Koufax, and Gibson they could hit todays pitchers.

As for Winfield I should have said the gold standard for a big man. He played over 30 years in the Bigs. Rose was not in the same class for size as Miggy and Winfield. I do agree with your rickey comparison though even as a smaller guy stealing bases is tough on the body.

 

[MiamiVice]

Its such a pointless argument... there isn't a single sport on earth that the current athletes are not better than the athletes that played 50 years ago. There literally is so much statistical data to prove this it isn't worth wasting any more of my though process on it. Iffy still thinks Jim Thorpe could out run Usain Bolt. LOL

 

[jdwills126]

You can 100% guarantee Miggy could take a time machine and hit pitching from 1965 at the very least at the clip he hits today... Can you do the same for a guy like Babe Ruth for today?

Nope never said the Babe. But I do think Ted Williams could. Mantle, Mays, and the like. I also think Miggy would be an MVP player in their time as well.

 

[MiamiVice]

Ted Williams wouldn't be hitting .400 against today's pitchers.... No chance. Miggy would be a GOD in their time... Miggy would be Babe Ruth.

If Luke Putkonen got in a Delorean and went back in time to the 1960's he would be one of the best pitchers in the league... You would read news articles about the great Putkonen.

 

[MiamiVice]

Here is something for you to think about... Velocity of pitchers has went up dramatically in the last 25 years... The highest career batting averages are almost all from pre 90's players... Only Wade Boggs, Tony Gwynn, and Miggy are in the top 50. That isn't because the hitters were better.... it is because the pitching wasn't as good. Hitting .350 now is like hitting .400 in the 50's.

 

[broncosmitty]

Velocity has definitely spiked in recent years.

Crazy spiked.

 

[MiamiVice]

of the fastest pitches ever recorded... only 10 of them were outside of the last 11 years... according to baseball almanac.

 

[burfboy]

Holy mackerel that Rogers is something else. I guess that she should have stayed in Kansas City.

 

[MiamiVice]

I just realized Tyler Collins has 20 RBI already... that is impressive in the limited time he has been up.

 

[Iffster]

I think Cabrera needs only a few more plate appearances and he'll qualify for batting title. Tigers can sit him for the last 4 or 5 games and can back into the batting title. I don't think Bogaerts can catch him unless he gets 3 or 4 hits every game he has left.

 

[MiamiVice]

You would be so happy if he some how didn't win it... wouldn't you iffy?

 

[MiamiVice]

• Tigers minor league first baseman Dominic Ficociello was named a Rawlings Minor League Gold Glove Award winner Monday. Ficociello, who split the 2015 season between Single-A Lakeland and Double-A Erie, posted a .996 fielding percentage and committed just four errors in 979 chances. Ficociello selected among qualifying players from the 10 full-season minor leagues.

wasn't some clown saying the tigers farm can't produce a 1st baseman?

 

[MiamiVice]

Royals blew another save today... lose again. Anyone want to put money on them to win it all?

 

[broncosmitty]

How this Tigers game managed to get dicey idk.

I do know, but it's still amazing.