Dak Prescott

[PDay8810]

Excuse me I'm not the one being an asshole. I expressed my opi in if you don't like it KMA

you're right I'm being an ass hole cause you say the same shit. Does not matter what you & I would or wouldn't pay. It's what the cowboys will pay and everyone and their Grandmother know it's going to be right at market value for a QB that has established what Dak has in his first three seasons. It's not going to cost them team top priorities they want to keep. It's not going to be Dak and a bunch of scrubs as you want to forecast....no matter how many times you say it. Ain't going to happen

 

[PDay8810]

Then the system needs to be changed

you're pissing in to the wind here

 

[Sir Robin Of Camelot]

you're pissing in to the wind here

I find it humorous how “the system is broken” while Jerry charges $70 a pop to park at The Death Star.

It’s all business.

 

[jarntt]

Boy, that fantastic OL play from last year surely was the only reason we won the division...

 

[Manster7588]

Boy, that fantastic OL play from last year surely was the only reason we won the division...

Funny thing is the uninformed continue to think the 2017 Dallas OL was still intact.

 

[ArlingtonCowboys100]

Funny thing is the uninformed continue to think the 2017 Dallas OL was still intact.

Some of those extra sacks were because Dak on occasion holds the ball too long. The other reason was Martin and Smith played hurt for most of the season and Frederick missed the entire season. If those 3 are back 100% then the OL will be much better obviously. The depth we got with Mcgovern and Fleming is pretty darn good.

 

[DALLAScornhusker]

Dak does have a tendency to hold the ball, looking for the best play. I have a hunch some of the early season sacks in 2018 were in part of not having Witten or a reliable safety outlet. Yes, the Oline contributed to many sacks, but can't say the oline was crap AND Dak held the ball. From my seat, it sure looked like Dak was under duress only on occasion (3-4 a game). Some of those he is able to scramble out of the pocket and either run or throw. Most of the time he had 3 seconds, he was just waiting for the player to get into a window for the throw. The frustrating ones are when he has 5 seconds and couldn't get the pass off. I can't vividly remember too many other than through Connor Williams that he had to just duck instantly and eat the ball. And those cleared up toward the end of the season.

 

[jarntt]

Like most QBs, Dak absolutely holds the ball too long at times - I think finally having some pre-snap motion will help him go through his reads quicker. But, he also escapes sacks because of his strength and athletic ability that would bring down most other QBs. Dak's holding of the ball and going through progressions in 2018 was much closer to what he was in 2016 and 2017 than the pass protection of the OL was. So the clear factor as to why they gave up twice as many sacks as the two prior years was the pass protection and maybe the poor receiving corps the first half of the year. I suspect this year will be different.

 

[Manster7588]

Some of those extra sacks were because Dak on occasion holds the ball too long. The other reason was Martin and Smith played hurt for most of the season and Frederick missed the entire season. If those 3 are back 100% then the OL will be much better obviously. The depth we got with Mcgovern and Fleming is pretty darn good.

I get it Dak holds onto the ball to long, but the 2018 OL was a shell of itself.

 

[PDay8810]

I get it Dak holds onto the ball to long, but the 2018 OL was a shell of itself.

combination of the two
hopefully both chances this coming season

 

[UK Cowboy]

DeMaurice sent out emails to agents and to the NFLPA to say nothing is imminent but players should be setting themselves up financially to ensure they can make it an entire year without pay. He thinks that here is likely going to be a year long work stoppage after the 2020 season.

I think everyone loses if that happens both the NFL and the players but it very well could happen.

Scot if you think players salaries are out of line now, wait until you see what they are asking for.

It's a different world than the last time there was a strike, I really believe if there were a year long stoppage, the ratings and attendance would fall through the floor for a couple of years. People will resent guys making 8 figures and owners making 10 figures not being able to divide the pie

 

[ArlingtonCowboys100]

It's a different world than the last time there was a strike, I really believe if there were a year long stoppage, the ratings and attendance would fall through the floor for a couple of years. People will resent guys making 8 figures and owners making 10 figures not being able to divide the pie

The NFLPA needs to do something. Maybe reign in Godell a little. I am real bitter about Zekes suspenion which was to me avresult of Jones trying to get Godell out

 

[UK Cowboy]

Some of those extra sacks were because Dak on occasion holds the ball too long. The other reason was Martin and Smith played hurt for most of the season and Frederick missed the entire season. If those 3 are back 100% then the OL will be much better obviously. The depth we got with Mcgovern and Fleming is pretty darn good.

We will have the best OL in the game this season

 

[Manster7588]

We will have the best OL in the game this season

Quite possible. I'll wait and see how Frederick looks after a year away, if Smith can play relatively pain free and how Williams and/or McGovern look like.

 

[Earl Stevens]

Like most QBs, Dak absolutely holds the ball too long at times - I think finally having some pre-snap motion will help him go through his reads quicker. But, he also escapes sacks because of his strength and athletic ability that would bring down most other QBs. Dak's holding of the ball and going through progressions in 2018 was much closer to what he was in 2016 and 2017 than the pass protection of the OL was. So the clear factor as to why they gave up twice as many sacks as the two prior years was the pass protection and maybe the poor receiving corps the first half of the year. I suspect this year will be different.

I think the sack total was mostly because of the scheme and playcalling. When the scheme and playcalling makes it easier for the defense to go from point A to point B, it makes it that much tougher on the offense to execute.

 

[UK Cowboy]

I think the sack total was mostly because of the scheme and playcalling. When the scheme and playcalling makes it easier for the defense to go from point A to point B, it makes it that much tougher on the offense to execute.

I expect Dak to make a big improvement getting the ball out. He's a hard worker and he has the talent around him now

 

[jarntt]

I think the sack total was mostly because of the scheme and playcalling. When the scheme and playcalling makes it easier for the defense to go from point A to point B, it makes it that much tougher on the offense to execute.

I think the scheme absolutely played a role because it did not allow Dak the ability to read the defense quickly. It's so simple to just put a man in motion and make the defense show you if it's man or zone and we just didn't do it. Or run a guy across the middle and see if someone follows him or they pass him off. But, Dak needs to be better at reading defenses too. It's an area he has to improve on if he wants to take it to the next level. He is a young QB so with proper coaching, which I think he may now have, I think he will show a lot of improvement this year at that. I like Moore's potential as an OC, but he did Dak no favors last year as a QB coach. I think Kitna will be a guy Dak looks back on down the road and credits for making him a better QB like Kitna did Mike Martz. I also think Dak gets his QB rating back over 100 this year and with health probably throws for 4,000 yards this year.

 

[ArlingtonCowboys100]

One of Daks best assets is his leadership abilities which is worth a lot. Cousins got that big contract, but does he make anybody better? Looking back at Romo I saw a Qb that put up big stats,but he had some bad moments in the playoffs. Not all of that was Romos fault though. it's not Romos fault crayton dropped a huge pass and got lazy on a route against the Giants in the playoffs. It's not Romos fault that Murray fumbled and the refs fucked us over with dez Bryant's catch against the packers. Those two games should have been won.

 

[Earl Stevens]

I think the scheme absolutely played a role because it did not allow Dak the ability to read the defense quickly. It's so simple to just put a man in motion and make the defense show you if it's man or zone and we just didn't do it. Or run a guy across the middle and see if someone follows him or they pass him off. But, Dak needs to be better at reading defenses too. It's an area he has to improve on if he wants to take it to the next level. He is a young QB so with proper coaching, which I think he may now have, I think he will show a lot of improvement this year at that. I like Moore's potential as an OC, but he did Dak no favors last year as a QB coach. I think Kitna will be a guy Dak looks back on down the road and credits for making him a better QB like Kitna did Mike Martz. I also think Dak gets his QB rating back over 100 this year and with health probably throws for 4,000 yards this year.

I can understand if people don't read this post because it's way too long and I have a bad habit of rambling but I just feel like this stuff needs to be said.

I'm not sure about Moore. It's still Garrett's offense which is what people are tending to forget. I read in a recent article that Moore is gonna run a lot of the same concepts as before, but with added shifts and more motions. I honestly don't like the way that sounds. That just sounds like adding candy sprinkles to shit to me. Garrett's offense has been outdated for a while now. His offense is all about isolation routes and intermediate throws. Something that is fine with a veteran QB like Romo who was a better pure passer, who would take more chances throwing into coverage, and had more power to change his plays. Not a 4th year QB who still has some rawness to his game, who doesn't always let the ball fly quick enough, and who refuses to throw into coverage much. The Cowboys need to be more play-action-oriented, more screen based, and attack teams down the field a lot more. And when they get to the red zone, this is when they break out read-option. The Dak and Zeke read-option is literally unstoppable yet the Cowboys don't run it nearly enough in the red zone.

The coaches need to make decisions easier for Dak when he drops back the same way McVay makes it for Goff so he isn't getting sacked 60 times behind a pretty solid Oline. Comeback routes, isolation routes, and intermediate routes don't take full advantage of the new rules that hurt pass defenses. And they don't do anything to help a young QB because Garrett's scheme constantly calls for the QB to throw the ball into the thick of coverage. This is what Andy Reid and his coaching tree does. They run heavy screens and attack the defense down the field a ton, schemes receivers open, and take full advantage of new rules that help offenses out. That makes things easier on the QB to make decisions and the QB isn't always throwing into the thick of coverage. Mahomes had a phenomenal season but what a lot of people don't know is that 17 of Mahomes TD passes didn't travel more than two yards in the air. Reid makes things so much easier for his QBs. Garrett is the complete opposite. People always say well Dak has Zeke and that Oline and they make him look good and makes things easier. That's true somewhat, but that has nothing to do with what is happening when Dak has to assess the D during a pass dropback.

Garrett's offense makes things not only tougher on the QB, but everyone else as well. He's asking Zeke to constantly run straight into 8 man boxes. Receivers are constantly asked to get open on their own in isolation and are rarely ever schemed open. There are several plays each game where every Cowboy WR runs a comeback route and the defense just sits on it and people expect the QB and his WRs to just make something out of nothing. I was far too critical of Dez. Dez wasn't the best of route runners and in Garrett's offense that exposes you because Garrett's offense doesn't do his receivers any favors because his offense rarely schemes WRs open. The Oline is asked to block a DL that the majority of the time knows where the play is going. When the DLine knows where to go from point A to point B, it makes blocking tougher. There's a reason why so many people including former players say Garrett's offense is predictable. No matter who calls the plays, the concepts are still the same. The fact that Dak makes it work with great efficiency in spite of Garrett's scheme lets me know this guy is a good QB. Which is why I defend him so much. It can't be stated enough how phenomenal Zeke is running behind the most predictable offense in football while seeing 8 man fronts all game.

And I just can't help but think of how bad Romo had it. Romo's best and most memorable plays were of the improvisational variety, not anything schemed by Garrett. Many people truly don't realize how special Romo was. He and Witten made a bad offense work. Romo and even Dak to an extent were/are so good in the 4th quarter because when the Cowboys have no choice but to abandon Garrett's gameplan and scheme, the offense looks much better. That's not a coincidence. Many people forget that Romo and the Cowboys would struggle mightily for three quarters very often in the Garrett/Romo era only for them to wake up in the 4th quarter. Is it a coincidence that in seemingly every playoff game, the Cowboys offense is sluggish for most if not all of the game? That's the Garrett era for you. I'm fine with Garrett as head coach as long as we could completely abandon his scheme.

When you have the best back in football like the Cowboys do, you should be running playaction as much as the Rams do with Gurley, which is nearly every play it seems. When you have a QB who is as ultra efficient with his feet as Dak is, you should be turning to read-option a lot more in the red zone. The Cowboys make everything so hard for themselves by continuing to run Garrett's outdated offense. Just watching how opposing defenses sit on comeback routes and stack 8-9 men in the box on the regular while the Cowboys just continue to try to push an elephant through an elevator instead of attacking the D over the top is nauseating. And even with Moore, I don't think that is gonna change that much because it's still Garrett's offense. Remember we thought it would change with Linehan. It didn't. People were praising Linehan for 2014, but really the addition of Zack Martin and the play of the offensive line and our skill players is what was really the difference. That Oline was amazing in 2014. Murray was amazing. Romo to Dez was unstoppable. Romo had a little more control of the offense. All of that masked Linehan's deficiencies and the flaws of Garrett's scheme. It was the same concepts as Garrett, but with more emphasis on running. The same thing happened again in 2016 when Dak and Zeke stormed into the NFL. They along with great Oline play masked Linehan's deficiencies again and of course Garrett's flawed scheme. I'm fine with giving coaches chances to improve themselves, but I've seen 11 years of Garrett's offense to know that it just doesn't work unless the stars align. The offensive scheme should have been completely overhauled years ago.

 

[jarntt]

Long post right back at ya


"I'm not sure about Moore. It's still Garrett's offense which is what people are tending to forget."

Totally agree and that was what I said from day one. But we have already seen him attempt to make some of the changes I've longed for: more motion, stopping the predictable sets, spread out things and then run so Zeke has space, Dak running more, use of more pick/rub plays, etc. We have also heard about throwing down field more. That one we need to wait and see on, but a lot of rumors said that was on Dak a little too so we'll see what happens. As far as Moore goes he was IMO a failure last year (first year so doesn't mean he couldn't improve) as a QB coach. But maybe this is more his thing. I've gone from shaking my head at the decision, to wait and see, to now being a little excited to watching how he does. Maybe being a fan is getting the best of me or maybe I just like what I hear.

"The coaches need to make decisions easier for Dak when he drops back the same way McVay makes it for Goff so he isn't getting sacked 60 times behind a pretty solid Oline. "

That's the pre-snap movement and Kitna's day to day coaching with Dak. Dak struggled reading the defenses too often and that was a root cause of his not finding open guys from time to time. Part of that was the team making it hard on him with no motion and predictability and part was Dak just not doing it for whatever reason. Hopefully he can learn with a good teacher. I think using Pollard and Austin and Cobb and Zeke in space and more slants and less curls will help too. You need to give Dak some wide open options that can turn short passes into big plays. This will not only open up the offense and make the defense not be able to just sit on all our routes will little worry about giving up big plays but will also give him options to come back to after he checks out the big play options that can still net us a first down. The OL also needs to be better in Pass protection. I know you don't like to hear this but they were poor last year in pass protection.

"Garrett's offense makes things not only tougher on the QB, but everyone else as well. He's asking Zeke to constantly run straight into 8 man boxes. Receivers are constantly asked to get open on their own in isolation and are rarely ever schemed open. There are several plays each game where every Cowboy WR runs a comeback route and the defense just sits on it and people expect the QB and his WRs to just make something out of nothing."

Again, all of those changes have already been showing themselves in OTAs. How much have we already heard about running out a 10 set in the red zone. The better the OL, the more time to throw downfield and Dak needs to learn to shift in the pocket and keep looking downfield as compared to abrupt movements that impact his ability to keep his eyes downfield and his technique. Kitna has already talked about this. I think Dak is about as willing a student as there is in the league and he will take the constructive coaching and get better.

I absolutely think we will see a more effective PAP game this year like we did in 2016. That comes from a dominant run game and also from having receivers that can get open. You keep stressing "Garrett's Offense" and that's half right but our receivers couldn't get open for shit the last 2 years and that wasn't all on the Offense. Once Cooper came to down everything changed and the Offense didn't look so horrible any more. Gallup will be better and Cobb will help. Our WRs were just too slow. They didn't scare anyone and defense never feared getting beat deep so they moved up the safeties and clogged the middle of the field against the run and the pass. That changes this year and honestly I hope we see as much of Jarwin in the passing game as we do Witten. I love the guy but he just can't run. I play him on 3rd and medium and let him do what it is he is a legend at and in 3rd and long we need to get Jarwin out there instead some. I think we may see that stale old Offense do a lot better this year with more speed and creativity and less predictability with our sets and I'm sure just like Linehan did, Moore will put his stamp on it and Moore's won't make a boring, safe Offense even more so. I think he will add some excitement and electricity.