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D2 Trade Deadline

Do we want a trade dead line


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MilkSpiller22

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Like I said to tlance in the other thread. I like the no trade deadline. BUT if there are strong feelings to change I would change. As this is not a big issues imo.

As nobody showed their big feelings on this issue I will keep it as is.
 

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I tend to be anti trade deadline. I don't really think there's any problem with buying somebody the week before a championship game. I don't feel like it's meaningfully different than doing it in week 9.

But I'm kind of interested to hear the counterarguments from people.
 

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But I'm kind of interested to hear the counterarguments from people.

Thought tlance had some good points:
1) fantasy football simulates NFL. NFL (and all other major pro sport leagues) have trade deadlines.

2) how many playoff trades have we had in the history of this league? Doesn’t seem to be creating opportunity like you suggest.

3) a deadline actually does create trade opportunity for rebuilders.

Every dynasty league I have ever played in, there are more trades the week of the deadline than any other time. Often, there are more deadline deals than the rest of the year combined.

I definitely would have traded for a WR this year if there was a deadline.

4) if we are making a deadline, we are talking 3 weeks of no trades

5) just pretty frustrating watching your opponent execute a big trade right before the championship game. At some point, what you got should be what you got.

I've seen some argue the positive side of acquiring a player before a title match. Thats great when a trade is to your benefit.

But what if the trade in question is benefiting your opponent? And the deal is going down the morning of?

Your opponent is thrilled.
The savvy non-playoff team is satisfied.
How are you feeling at that moment?
Maybe feeling like your opponent just "bought" an edge?

Not arguing the trade isnt fair. My concern is over the timing of it. You win with what you have come playoff time. Doesnt seem right to suddenly acquire what you didnt have (during the playoffs) so you can win.
:2cents:
 

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Thought tlance had some good points:


I've seen some argue the positive side of acquiring a player before a title match. Thats great when a trade is to your benefit.

But what if the trade in question is benefiting your opponent? And the deal is going down the morning of?

Your opponent is thrilled.
The savvy non-playoff team is satisfied.
How are you feeling at that moment?
Maybe feeling like your opponent just "bought" an edge?

Not arguing the trade isnt fair. My concern is over the timing of it. You win with what you have come playoff time. Doesnt seem right to suddenly acquire what you didnt have (during the playoffs) so you can win.
:2cents:
The counter argument is that while a deadline could spark some trades, having trades in the playoffs does that only more. Also gives the non playoff teams some skin in the games during playoffs making for greater interest and participation over all. Not sure why a trade at the deadline which swings the odds to one team is OK but a trade during the playoffs isn't.
 

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The counter argument is that while a deadline could spark some trades, having trades in the playoffs does that only more. Also gives the non playoff teams some skin in the games during playoffs making for greater interest and participation over all. Not sure why a trade at the deadline which swings the odds to one team is OK but a trade during the playoffs isn't.

It doesn’t though.

Try having a deadline for a year and I bet there are more trades.

We have done the non-deadline thing and there has been exactly 1 playoff trade.

And yes @MilkSpiller22, I have big feelings here
 

tlance

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The counter argument is that while a deadline could spark some trades, having trades in the playoffs does that only more. Also gives the non playoff teams some skin in the games during playoffs making for greater interest and participation over all. Not sure why a trade at the deadline which swings the odds to one team is OK but a trade during the playoffs isn't.

It is proven fact that deadlines drive people to act.

It is why businesses of all kinds use them to motivate people.

“Act now you can have this special deal that will run out after today”.

A friend of mine runs a popular summer camp as his business. He has registration open literally for months. He has 2 deadlines. One is an “early bird” where people get a discount, and the other is the actual deadline to sign up which is a week or 2 before l.

He told me about 75% of all of his registrations occur within a few days of his deadlines.

Not having a deadline allows people to wait, and in many cases, waiting allows them not to act at all.
 

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The reason I voted no (which surprised me because I'm usually a deadline kind of guy)...

Harold couldn't move Adams or Tyreek during the playoff race. Would T or another team have bitten the bullet for one of them at a deadline? Hard to say...they didn't when they could have, so I'm leaning no.

Sometimes a trade helps the seller more than the buyer. And sometimes not making a deal helps the would be buyer.

Baker almost gave Bar the title, but didn't, and now he has no 1st next year for the sake of his 2025 QB2.
Not trading for a WR worked out for T.
 

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The reason I voted no (which surprised me because I'm usually a deadline kind of guy)...

Harold couldn't move Adams or Tyreek during the playoff race. Would T or another team have bitten the bullet for one of them at a deadline? Hard to say...they didn't when they could have, so I'm leaning no.

Sometimes a trade helps the seller more than the buyer. And sometimes not making a deal helps the would be buyer.

Baker almost gave Bar the title, but didn't, and now he has no 1st next year for the sake of his 2025 QB2.
Not trading for a WR worked out for T.



i really do see both arguments... but i really like the idea of a rebuilding team being able to HOSE a playoff team... that alone makes me like it...


but i do worry about the optics of collusion... No, i dont think anyone here would ever purposely collude... but the optics are not great if the NON playoff team does not win the trade, and win it by a fair margin...

for example, lets say we were doing week 18... if i was a Barkley owner... Barkley is not playing week 18, so i am scavenging for a RB... if someone is going to help me replace barkley, i would need to pay a premium for that... otherwise it would look like an owner just wants to help me out.... even if the trade is fair... like my first round pick for Kenny Gainwell, would not be good enough...
 

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The reason I voted no (which surprised me because I'm usually a deadline kind of guy)...

Harold couldn't move Adams or Tyreek during the playoff race. Would T or another team have bitten the bullet for one of them at a deadline? Hard to say...they didn't when they could have, so I'm leaning no.

Sometimes a trade helps the seller more than the buyer. And sometimes not making a deal helps the would be buyer.

Baker almost gave Bar the title, but didn't, and now he has no 1st next year for the sake of his 2025 QB2.
Not trading for a WR worked out for T.
Yes the seller is often the winner in a trade. I actual had a playoff team (Tlance in fact) interested in my WR but he had no ammo left to spare having already traded his draft capitol and his bench didn't have anyone of interest to me.
 
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but i really like the idea of a rebuilding team being able to HOSE a playoff team
Yeah that's fun unless your the playoff team that got hosed. If I was the Gainwell owner getting a first for a player that value will evaporate shortly would be a win for the non playoff team, so that example shows that beauty (in this case a trade) is in the eye of the beholder. Greed can cause deals to collapse. Getting that kind of value for player who's value is near zero normally is a big boost for a team that needs draft capitol in a big way. Get the best deal possible of course but keep in mind that that player will turn back into a pumpkin at midnight.
 
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i really do see both arguments... but i really like the idea of a rebuilding team being able to HOSE a playoff team... that alone makes me like it...


but i do worry about the optics of collusion... No, i dont think anyone here would ever purposely collude... but the optics are not great if the NON playoff team does not win the trade, and win it by a fair margin...

for example, lets say we were doing week 18... if i was a Barkley owner... Barkley is not playing week 18, so i am scavenging for a RB... if someone is going to help me replace barkley, i would need to pay a premium for that... otherwise it would look like an owner just wants to help me out.... even if the trade is fair... like my first round pick for Kenny Gainwell, would not be good enough...

A good reason why I'd never vote to have a fantasy championship in the last week of a NFL regular season...and why most aren't.

Collusion doesn't even begin to cross my mind in MBBRL. It will never occur.
 

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Yes the seller is often the winner in a trade. I actual had a playoff team interested in my WR but he had no ammo left to spare having already traded his draft capitol and his bench didn't have anyone of interest to me.

That would be me

Harold and I did talk before the playoffs. There was nothing we could see that made sense.
 

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HOSE a playoff team...

Had to read Milk's comment twice. Pretty sure he's referring to the exorbitant trade price a playoff team may be spending.
 
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