Commish Wants to Raise Min Age

[RoboticDreams]

And not the caucasian american?

How can it be racist when it affects EVERY race?

He's too delusional and possibly stupid, to comprehend how flawed his little theory is.

 

[hockey878]

Really. It's only racist if it only people from one race are affected by the rule. So if we pass a law in the United States that says only people with one million dollars in a bank account can vote or run for any political office... that law would not have any racism involved at all?

Before you tell me and montsho we dont know what racism is... maybe you should figure out how it works in the 21st century.

Every other sport out there you can be a pro at 18. Make millions..even tour the world. But not basketball or the NFL. Those 18 year olds are just to immature. Got it. Not racist at all... just like the millionaire rule.. it effects all people equally.. well some a little more equally than others.. but that's the point, right?

I mean shit.. according to your flawed logic the Poll Taxes used in southern states wasnt racist at all... after all..even white people paid them. WOW.

Not racism, but certainly is discrimination in different ways. The better question is, how would that be racist?

 

[trojanfan12]

Really. It's only racist if it only people from one race are affected by the rule. So if we pass a law in the United States that says only people with one million dollars in a bank account can vote or run for any political office... that law would not have any racism involved at all?

No, money isn't a race.

Before you tell me and montsho we dont know what racism is... maybe you should figure out how it works in the 21st century.

Here's how it works in the 21st century. One color trumps every other color and that color is green. Especially in professional sports.

Every other sport out there you can be a pro at 18. Make millions..even tour the world. But not basketball or the NFL. Those 18 year olds are just to immature. Got it. Not racist at all... just like the millionaire rule.. it effects all people equally.. well some a little more equally than others.. but that's the point, right?

It's been explained several times in this thread why the NFL and NBA are different.


I mean shit.. according to your flawed logic the Poll Taxes used in southern states wasnt racist at all... after all..even white people paid them. WOW.

Go back and read the thread. It's been shown over and over why it's not racist. You and mont not being able to understand doesn't change it.


But that's probably racist too.

 

[Flauge]

Not racism, but certainly is discrimination in different ways. The better question is, how would that be racist?

In this country we used to have something called the Poll tax. It was used throughout the old confederacy (and even Cali) as a way to keep black people from voting. We also used to have literacy tests to stop black people from voting. These were part of the old Jim Crow laws in America. According to the thinking of Trojanfan/Shaqdaddy/and Robotic and yours these laws werent racist at all.. After all, a white illiterate couldnt vote either. But those laws just so happen stopped alot more african americans from voting..nudge nudge wink wink.

The same here is true with these age requirements. they are only in two sports. i wonder what type of athlete this effects more?

 

[anotheridiot]

this never ends. Look, put your kid thru college, all bills paid at these top schools these kids are "stuck at" for a year, you could give an education to someone that will use it. You want to pay the kids to play college sports? then let them pay for their education too.

 

[shitsho]

If it were proven that a black athlete is less likely to qualify for college and the rule was that a player must attend college for 2 years before he was eligible to play in the NBA or NFL, then you and Flauge might have a leg to stand on in your argument that it's racist.

The rule in the NFL existed before the league was mostly black players. So, it wasn't set up to keep certain players out. The D-League is not a true farm system for the NBA, yet. But that may be where it's headed and as I have said earlier in the thread, could be a viable option for those who do not wish to attend college or play overseas.

An NFL practice squad consists of approximately 5-6 players, so that hardly qualifies as a farm system. The game of football does not lend itself to having a farm system that would work. The game is too violent for that and the risk of injury on any play is too great.

Additionally, since most players in the NBA and NFL are black and since most of the stars in those leagues are black, it would be pretty stupid to keep a player out of the league because of his race. Both leagues make billions from having these players playing and they're not likely to want to lose that. Green trumps every other color, every time.

Since the numbers tell us most B-ball players are Black then yes it does discriminate which makes it racist. Now you have a situation where the Black kids have to make money for the colleges for yet another year without being paid.

Who told you NFL practice squads only have 5-6 players? They have up to eight and yes it works like a farm system. The only difference is they are free to sign with another NFL team if not picked up by the one they are on. I'm not saying its about keeping Black kids out. I'm talking about delaying the time when they can cash in on their skills. During this time they are making millions for the colleges.

This goes back to my earlier point. If the player is not ready the the teams should not draft them. Its pretty simple. Raising the age limit is keeping players from making money. Why penalize the player instead of the team?

 

[shitsho]

So by your logic, if a white 17 year old wants to enter the NBA but can't because of this rule, that's racist?

Yes because we can pretend its silly but we all know that the vast majority of NBA basketball players are Black and as a result will be affected way more than any white player. Sort of like giving 20 years for possession of crack cocaine and 2 years for regular cocaine. Yes some white people will get 20 but the vast majority of them are going to get 2 while the opposite will be true for Black people.

 

[shitsho]

And not the caucasian american?

How can it be racist when it affects EVERY race?

You sound very simplistic in your thinking. Do you understand the word disproportionate?

 

[LALakersboy24.7]

Yes because we can pretend its silly but we all know that the vast majority of NBA basketball players are Black and as a result will be affected way more than any white player. Sort of like giving 20 years for possession of crack cocaine and 2 years for regular cocaine. Yes some white people will get 20 but the vast majority of them are going to get 2 while the opposite will be true for Black people.

I'm sorry montsho, but in all honesty this is one of the most stupidest statements you have made on SportsHoopla bro.

 

[RoboticDreams]

Goddamn you morons are pathetic. It's NOT a racist rule. The league owners are NOT going to hurt their own pocketbooks, to discriminate against the people who are the main contributors of the product they put on the court, ie their bread winners.

It really is that simple.

 

[RoboticDreams]

Yes because we can pretend its silly but we all know that the vast majority of NBA basketball players are Black and as a result will be affected way more than any white player. Sort of like giving 20 years for possession of crack cocaine and 2 years for regular cocaine. Yes some white people will get 20 but the vast majority of them are going to get 2 while the opposite will be true for Black people.

 

[shitsho]

this never ends. Look, put your kid thru college, all bills paid at these top schools these kids are "stuck at" for a year, you could give an education to someone that will use it. You want to pay the kids to play college sports? then let them pay for their education too.

If you are paying them they are making their own money and if they chose to attend any classes that is totally up to them. Right now all they are doing is putting lipstick on a pig. Everyone has witnessed the rampant cheating to recruit kids that are not prepared to attend college. They get there and are taken care of so they make money for the college. Of course they are getting their degrees in Aquatic container engineering (underwater basket weaving) so they can operate in society if they dont make the pros. This additional year only makes the colleges more money and keeps the kids from cashing in before they have an injury. The NBA can refrain from drafting prospects if its that serious. Dont penalize the players.

 

[shitsho]

I'm sorry montsho, but in all honesty this is one of the most stupidest statements you have made on SportsHoopla bro.

Dont feel sorry. Refute it.

 

[TBBishop]

I can't believe that even this thread turned into a race/racism debate. The NBA can try to sell this as good for the kids but if it's not good for their pockets, it's not happening. Even after one year of school a lot of the players getting drafted aren't ready and there isn't enough film on them in 30 or so games to really know what they might do in the NBA. So the owners are still stuck paying high dollars to guys who never pan out. It wasn't that long ago that even the best players in the country stayed 3 or 4 years in college. They were more mature physically and mentally. The league has suffered because of these boys coming into the league and 1 stupid ass year in college isn't enough. I said from the start if it's not 2 years you might as well let high schoolers in. And of course if the kids don't want to play for an education for 2 years, they can go to Europe.

 

[shitsho]

Goddamn you morons are pathetic. It's NOT a racist rule. The league owners are NOT going to hurt their own pocketbooks, to discriminate against the people who are the main contributors of the product they put on the court, ie their bread winners.

It really is that simple.

Getting emotional doesnt prove anything. Your business savvy and reading comprehension leaves something to be desired. They are not hurting their pockets. They are getting a seasoned product and a better gauge on if the player is worth the investment which is something they can do by simple not drafting borderline players. Its really that simple.

 

[shitsho]

I can't believe that even this thread turned into a race/racism debate. The NBA can try to sell this as good for the kids but if it's not good for their pockets, it's not happening. Even after one year of school a lot of the players getting drafted aren't ready and there isn't enough film on them in 30 or so games to really know what they might do in the NBA. So the owners are still stuck paying high dollars to guys who never pan out. It wasn't that long ago that even the best players in the country stayed 3 or 4 years in college. They were more mature physically and mentally. The league has suffered because of these boys coming into the league and 1 stupid ass year in college isn't enough. I said from the start if it's not 2 years you might as well let high schoolers in. And of course if the kids don't want to play for an education for 2 years, they can go to Europe.

Why doesnt the league just not draft borderline players? No one is forcing them to.

 

[shitsho]

Better wake up LA Boy.

Crack cocaine sentences have long been much more harsh than those for powder cocaine. The disparity started in the 1980s, when crack cocaine started to ravish urban black communities in America. The federal government sought to crack down on the problem by implementing severe prison sentences for those people caught dealing crack cocaine. For example, someone caught with powder cocaine would have to have 100 grams of the drug to get the same sentence as someone caught with just one gram of crack cocaine.

The thought behind the thinking was that the harsh sentences would deter people from dealing the drug. However, not only did it fail at that, it also had the unintended consequence of focusing disproportionately on blacks. Because black people were the main users of the drugs, they were also the main dealers of it. That means that most of the people receiving the longer sentences have been black people. People across the country have long disputed this issue. Those who saw it as racism have fought to make the two drugs, which are both cocaine just in different forms, equal in terms of sentencing. They believe that people with the same amount of the drugs should be sentenced similarly.

 

[RoboticDreams]

Getting emotional doesnt prove anything. Your business savvy and reading comprehension leaves something to be desired. They are not hurting their pockets. They are getting a seasoned product and a better gauge on if the player is worth the investment which is something they can do by simple not drafting borderline players. Its really that simple.

They're doing it to improve the product or didn't you get the memo? I'm not emotional I just get annoyed at blatant stupidity, that's all.

Believe what you must. The world is always out to get you and your people, Montsho.

 

[Flauge]

I can't believe that even this thread turned into a race/racism debate. The NBA can try to sell this as good for the kids but if it's not good for their pockets, it's not happening. Even after one year of school a lot of the players getting drafted aren't ready and there isn't enough film on them in 30 or so games to really know what they might do in the NBA. So the owners are still stuck paying high dollars to guys who never pan out. It wasn't that long ago that even the best players in the country stayed 3 or 4 years in college. They were more mature physically and mentally. The league has suffered because of these boys coming into the league and 1 stupid ass year in college isn't enough. I said from the start if it's not 2 years you might as well let high schoolers in. And of course if the kids don't want to play for an education for 2 years, they can go to Europe.

When those guys stayed 3-4 years.. were there any draft busts back then? Because something tells me this drafting this has been an inexact science since the beginning and there are just as many draft busts in the 80s as there are today. Just a hunch.

The league suffered because of these boys? Define suffer? Because the NBA seems to becoming widely more popular in alot more countries. The last 30 years has seen the NBA league revenue go from 118 million in the 1982-1983 season to 4.6 billion last year. So if by suffer you mean the league has seen a 38 times increase in their revenue in 30 years, then yes.. those poor billionaire owners are really suffering. Poor guys... how do they survive with only a 3798% return on investment.

 

[TBBishop]

Why doesnt the league just not draft borderline players? No one is forcing them to.

Maybe they don't look like borderline players when they're in college. In college sports, you can get by on athletic ability. So a great athlete can be dominant. Once they go pro, they actually have to master their craft. No player is a finished product when he gets drafted, everyone gets drafted on potential, so making them stay in school another year gives them 60+ games to digest before drafting them. No matter how you try to slice it that's better for the NBA which, again, is all that really matters here as far as they are concerned. But at the end of they day they are doing this because they can. Because it is a privately owned company and they want an age limit just like the company who requires a degree, the company that requires experience, or the company that needs you to speak a foreign language. And again, no one is forcing these kids to go to college. They have choices.