CJ

[DallasMCRSdynasty]

Given the number of innings on his arm I'd be willing to offer him 6 years. He has good enough stuff that when he loses velocity he's still going to be a good pitcher.

I think he had Tommy John surgery one year back in the minor leagues, and I'm not sure how that affects the longevity of a pitcher's arm. However, if they were willing to go 6 years for Lee, I could see the same for CJ, since he's younger than Lee.

 

[DallasMCRSdynasty]

How high are yall on Holland? I have a lot of faith that he could be better than CJ in the future.

Holland will be the #1 at some point, maybe as early as the end of next season. I'm a huge Holland fan. I knew he'd get better/battle as the season wore on, and so far he's done just that. Hopefully, he continues to pitch well down the stretch and if we make the playoffs, I look forward to seeing him start a playoff game.

 

[kennyt12]

I don't care what it takes to resign him we need to get it done! If we're going to become a dominant force then it's going to take great starting pitching. Letting CJ leave would be a big mistake. Without CJ we won't be a playoff team next year unless we make a move to get another top of the rotation starter.

 

[jta4437]

I think he had Tommy John surgery one year back in the minor leagues, and I'm not sure how that affects the longevity of a pitcher's arm. However, if they were willing to go 6 years for Lee, I could see the same for CJ, since he's younger than Lee.

So did Cliff Lee,

As far as darvish goes, SUPPOSED to be the best pitcher to come out of Japan, but NOTHING proven at the ML level

 

[scotsman1948]

So did Cliff Lee,

As far as darvish goes, SUPPOSED to be the best pitcher to come out of Japan, but NOTHING proven at the ML level

okay, Darvish is supposed to be the best pitcher to come out of Japan but i'd much rather have him in the rotation than Colby.

i like a rotation for 2012 of:

CJ

Ogando

Holland

Harrison

Darvish

 

[jta4437]

No doubt he's better than Lewis, but Lewis also only makes about 3 million a year, which is peanuts compared to what an investment in Darvish would take

That's a lot of capital to tie up into an unknown, I dont doubt he's an amazing pitcher,

but its not like you're taking a chance on a over the slot bonus on a high school or college pitcher from the draft here

 

[scotsman1948]

No doubt he's better than Lewis, but Lewis also only makes about 3 million a year, which is peanuts compared to what an investment in Darvish would take

That's a lot of capital to tie up into an unknown, I dont doubt he's an amazing pitcher,

but its not like you're taking a chance on a over the slot bonus on a high school or college pitcher from the draft here

so if it came down to getting a probably higher level pitcher and paying 7-8M a year or keeping a pitcher whose performance is getting steadily worse for 3M a year you'd keep the worse pitcher

 

[romeo212000]

Not just the 7-8 million a year. The 50-60 million dollar cost alone it would take to even buy the opportunity to talk to him.

 

[scotsman1948]

Not just the 7-8 million a year. The 50-60 million dollar cost alone it would take to even buy the opportunity to talk to him.

so don't pursue any player that might cost too much no matter how good he's graded to be. we were talking about offering Cliff Lee a multi-year contract valued at over 20M a year and probably in excess of 120-145M. Darvish is 24 years old and is graded as being the next superstar pitcher to come to the majors. offering him a contract of 125M (50-60M going to his japanese team) is not outlandish for his projected value

 

[romeo212000]

Key word being projected. Not proven. Not saying we shouldn't. Just be careful.

 

[scotsman1948]

Key word being projected. Not proven. Not saying we shouldn't. Just be careful.

how does he prove he's the real thing? by being brought in and put in the rotation. i would start him as our #5 and see how he does. the main thing is not to have him prove it on one of our opponents

 

[jta4437]

how does he prove he's the real thing? by being brought in and put in the rotation. i would start him as our #5 and see how he does. the main thing is not to have him prove it on one of our opponents

NO ONE who is unproven at the ML level deserves a 100-125 million dollar investment, the Japanese bidding process has bit a couple teams in the butt before

If the bidding process was a reasonable investment than sure

 

[jta4437]

how does he prove he's the real thing? by being brought in and put in the rotation. i would start him as our #5 and see how he does. the main thing is not to have him prove it on one of our opponents

So what you're saying is the Rangers should invest 125 million into a #5 starter?

 

[scotsman1948]

So what you're saying is the Rangers should invest 125 million into a #5 starter?

i don't think he's a #5. i think he's probably a #2 that would fit right behind CJ but someone suggested that he hadn't proved himself so i suggested that we put him at #5 until he proved himself. personally i would go with CJ, then Darvish, then Holland, then Ogando & finish with Harrison

 

[jta4437]

I just think 100+ million dollar investments are reserved for people who have proven themselves at the ML level, and not taking the word of someone,

but then again, a scout has never been wrong, right?

 

[scotsman1948]

NO ONE who is unproven at the ML level deserves a 100-125 million dollar investment, the Japanese bidding process has bit a couple teams in the butt before

If the bidding process was a reasonable investment than sure

he supposedly is the best pitcher to ever pitch in Japan. i agree that the Japanese bidding process is a joke but i just don't want to see the Yankees or Angels load up with him

 

[scotsman1948]

I just think 100+ million dollar investments are reserved for people who have proven themselves at the ML level, and not taking the word of someone,

but then again, a scout has never been wrong, right?

agreed, but how does a Japanese player prove himself after he's dominated the Japanese league? does he go into the draft and play a couple years at the minor league level and then get called up? Darvish is like 75-23 against the Japanese league and the American players & coaches over there say he is virtually unhittable and reminds them of Verlander or Weaver. he has mastery over 4 different pitches.

maybe he'll fool a lot of people and be a bust but i don't think so. and you can guarantee that New York, the Angels, Toronto and even Boston don't think he will be a bust

 

[jta4437]

I'm just saying temper the contract demands til you actually prove something in the league that matters, in the Japanese League, go demand the moon, in the MLs, you gotta earn it just like anyone else

I know this isn't how it works but I just think its ridiculous

Then again, if the Rangers went out and got him, I'd be excited but also extremely wary as its an expenditure that could hamstring a franchise financially for a while (if he fails),

and didn't we just get finished with that type of foolishness?

 

[scotsman1948]

I'm just saying temper the contract demands til you actually prove something in the league that matters, in the Japanese League, go demand the moon, in the MLs, you gotta earn it just like anyone else

I know this isn't how it works but I just think its ridiculous

Then again, if the Rangers went out and got him, I'd be excited but also extremely wary as its an expenditure that could hamstring a franchise financially for a while (if he fails),

and didn't we just get finished with that type of foolishness?

one of the things that Nolan pointed out was that the Rangers were more than able financially to add payroll especially if it improved the team.

 

[DallasMCRSdynasty]

Whatever JD and Ryan decide will be well thought out and assessed appropriately I think based on risk/reward. Thankfully, this GM/new ownership knows what they're doing unlike John Hart/Tom Hicks. The #1 priority should be to resign CJ, and then see what other options exist.