Chris sale. This is getting ridiculous.

[Mofo]

You're a stupid fan because you asked how rare is it that there are no Yanks or Red Sox in the ASG. That's a fucking retarded question on many levels.

Does that mean you don't want to answer the question?

 

[Ty41Office]

Ooh, hi there new personage

Do you like Gin drinks???

I quit drinking in 79, but don't let me stop you from having a swell time.

 

[Used 2 B Hu]

I quit drinking in 79, but don't let me stop you from having a swell time.

Not supposed to drink by one's self...that would be wrong

 

[Rock Strongo]

Off the top of my head, I know Odorizzi and Verlander. That's without even looking it up.

yup, theyve been as good if not better.

sales last 10 again for comparison:
2.17 ERA
.162 BAA
.535 OPS against
68% for strikes

66 IP
38 hits
106 k's

odorizzis IP stink in comparison (59 over his last 10) and only has 63 k's (40 fewer than sale), but a 1.07 ERA, a higher .199 BAA, and a lower 66% for strikes. .513 OPS against.

verlanders last 10 he has 70.2 IP, 80 k's, and a 1.91 ERA vs sales 2.17. .131 BAA, 69% for strikes, and a .469 OPS against. verlander has also given up a whopping 10 HR in his last 10.


so sales got the advantage in k's by a lot. OPS against is verlanders by a good margin and BAA by a bit. ERA goes to odorizzi, but the rest of his peripherals dont match sales or verlanders.

so yes, one could argue sales been one of the best pitchers in MLB over his last 10.

 

[kburjr]

Just checked. He made 7 starts last year after the all star game.

My memory served well.

The Red Sox played 64 games after the All-Star break. Possible 13 starts. So he missed 6 starts, maybe. I don't see how that hurt the Red Sox. Protect him a bit and let him fully.

 

[huskers1217]

Agreed. But damaged goods is what Boston seems to have gotten.

wait..wut...wtf

@UCFhonors you have a brother

 

[huskers1217]

Not supposed to drink by one's self...that would be wrong

you don't think ty is from zig's house of blow and hookers?

 

[Used 2 B Hu]

You keep throwing statements like this around.

If you were actually trying to be statistical, why wouldn't you throw out his 4 best starts as well, since you are throwing out his 4 worst ones?

Which begs the question. Are you actually trying to understand the truth or are you just looking for a way to make Chris Sale look as good as you can?

New to Rock Strongo???

 

[broncosmitty]

He ain’t starting the All Star game

Prolly won't be an All Star.

A whole month of possible injuries and fatigue between then and now.

 

[Used 2 B Hu]

you don't think ty is from zig's house of blow and hookers?

Who cares, he doesn't drink Gin...which is, like, the unpardonable offense, or something

 

[Mofo]

k's eliminate virtually any way of a guy reaching base. k's are a 2 person function if you want to be technical, but the onus lies on the pitcher to maintain trajectory and repeatability in delivery.

Speed, movement and location are the three big skills for a quality pitcher. You can sacrifice one of them and still be successful in the majors. Inducing ground balls or pop-ups is just as efficient as a strikeout, and has the pleasant side effect of taking less pitches on the way to an out.

That's a good point. You have to think of things from a perspective of Chris Woodward last night. Sale was doing him a favor every time he ran up a long pitch count to get a strikeout. As a result, Sale left 6 outs on the board that the Rangers could use to get to that awful Boston bullpen. And the Rangers did just that.

it's certainly a tough-luck way to lose a game. But Sale didn't give his team enough to win the game.

I agree. The Nats' pitcher, Anibal Sanchez was getting outs on 1-4 pitches for every batters last night. Consequently, he had something like 69 pitches thrown through 6 innings. He could've gone even longer, but the Nats were destroying Chicago, and Martinez had the option to exercise the bullpen.

 

[kburjr]

Who cares, he doesn't drink Gin...which is, like, the unpardonable offense, or something

Most sensible thing about him.

 

[Ty41Office]

Not supposed to drink by one's self...that would be wrong

I'll take a cup of coffee if you can scramble one up.

 

[navamind]

good lord. the other board i was posting at. unreal. "we pay sale to win games". over and over. i show stats, Babip, BAA, etc....nothing but shit.

its why im back here. sales probably the hardest luck starter in MLB. i think they dont even give him 3 runs a game of support.

they sound like a bunch of idiots

 

[huskers1217]

Who cares, he doesn't drink Gin...which is, like, the unpardonable offense, or something

um...

i dont either

 

[navamind]

Strikeouts! The pitcher equivalent of shiny objects for stupid fans. May as well; home runs and strikeouts are all the dumb fans care about.

Also, how rare is it that a Red Sox or Yankee isn’t in the AS Game? Complete popularity contest and nothing else.

Is missing bats not important for a pitcher?

 

[kburjr]

Speed, movement and location are the three big skills for a quality pitcher. You can sacrifice one of them and still be successful in the majors. Inducing ground balls or pop-ups is just as efficient as a strikeout, and has the pleasant side effect of taking less pitches on the way to an out.
I agree. The Nats' pitcher, Anibal Sanchez was getting outs on 1-4 pitches for every batters last night. Consequently, he had something like 69 pitches thrown through 6 innings. He could've gone even longer, but the Nats were destroying Chicago, and Martinez had the option to exercise the bullpen.

Ah, the ol' "pitch to contact" model. Pitcher becomes more dependent on his defense then. A ball in play is not an out unless your teammates do their job. It works for some, but given the choice, I'll go with a high % strikeout guy. Think Josh Hader

 

[Ty41Office]

yup, theyve been as good if not better.

sales last 10 again for comparison:
2.17 ERA
.162 BAA
.535 OPS against
68% for strikes

66 IP
38 hits
106 k's

odorizzis IP stink in comparison (59 over his last 10) and only has 63 k's (40 fewer than sale), but a 1.07 ERA, a higher .199 BAA, and a lower 66% for strikes. .513 OPS against.

verlanders last 10 he has 70.2 IP, 80 k's, and a 1.91 ERA vs sales 2.17. .131 BAA, 69% for strikes, and a .469 OPS against. verlander has also given up a whopping 10 HR in his last 10.


so sales got the advantage in k's by a lot. OPS against is verlanders by a good margin and BAA by a bit. ERA goes to odorizzi, but the rest of his peripherals dont match sales or verlanders.

so yes, one could argue sales been one of the best pitchers in MLB over his last 10.

Very big difference between that and your original statement.

Even though I can't for the heck of me understand any reason for your laser focus on only his last ten starts for any other reason than you are trying to obfuscate the truth and paint a rosier picture than the garden really is.

 

[PEOPLESCHICKEN]

Do I get to keep it?

well.....yea ok I guess

 

[navamind]

"damaged goods"

lmao. is this guy real?