Chris sale. This is getting ridiculous.

[SlinkyRedfoot]

Why do you keep talking only about his last ten starts? He has 14 starts. Not 10.

Rock's only looking at Sale's last ten because he's not cherry picking.

 

[Rock Strongo]

Because his velocity was down earlier in the season and he was getting fewer whiffs. now he's throwing harder and striking everyone out. This isn't a hard thing to grasp.

dont bother. today i was told k's are no good, even tho its the ultimate way to prevent a base runner.

 

[Rock Strongo]

Rock's only looking at Sale's last ten because he's not cherry picking.

do you work in a field of science that uses statistical validation?

I do.

 

[kburjr]

For all those that think 10 starts is too small a sample, how can you take 4 starts as a valid sample?

 

[broncosmitty]

How much better has Odorizzi been over his last ten?


It's significant, right?

 

[Ty41Office]

one last time. its a valid sample size. in science, 30 = validation. since he only starts 30-35, im using %, which is statistically valid.

his last 10 starts is approx 30% of his season total barring injury.

10 is a valid sample size, but 14 isn't?

 

[Ty41Office]

For all those that think 10 starts is too small a sample, how can you take 4 starts as a valid sample?

I haven't ready anybody saying that.

 

[Ty41Office]

"hes been arguably the best in the game" vs "hes been arguably one of the best in the game" is the same statement.

its grouping. both being arguable vs a group of peers.

It's not the same thing. And I'll show you why.

"He's been arguably the best in the game" is abjectly untrue.

"He's been arguably one of the best in the game" is perfectly fair.

See? not the same

 

[Ty41Office]

dont bother. today i was told k's are no good, even tho its the ultimate way to prevent a base runner.

Nobody said that either.

 

[SlinkyRedfoot]

are you just looking for a way to make Chris Sale look as good as you can?

Hey, @Rock Strongo, this guy's identified another statistical trend!

 

[kburjr]

I haven't ready anybody saying that.

You stated how his velocity was down, how he must be damaged goods, based on the 1st 4 games of the year. Pitchers are not allowed slow starts? His YTD stats are a reflection of how well he has pitched to overcome that slow start. Bottom line to me is that Sale is an elite pitcher with 2nd tier star power. He doesn't start the AS because Verlander and Ordizzi have been better YTD

 

[Ty41Office]

do you work in a field of science that uses statistical validation?

I do.

If your field of science is "throw out the data that tells a bad story and keep the stuff that tells a good story" then I think you might be a good fit on President Trump's team.

 

[SlinkyRedfoot]

Just checked. He made 7 starts last year after the all star game.

My memory served well.

Yeah, but I'm sure the Red Sox front office is not regretting the trade at all. He's not a CY caliber pitcher because he doesn't have the durability, but when he's healthy and rested, he's elite. Hardly "damaged goods."

 

[Rock Strongo]

10 is a valid sample size, but 14 isn't?

who said it wasnt? and whats makes that first 4 any more important than his last 10? thats how trends work, but i felt ive said that 10 times now. maybe i need a crayon.

 

[SlinkyRedfoot]

I quit drinking in 79

Thoughts and prayers.

 

[Ty41Office]

You stated how his velocity was down, how he must be damaged goods, based on the 1st 4 games of the year. Pitchers are not allowed slow starts? His YTD stats are a reflection of how well he has pitched to overcome that slow start. Bottom line to me is that Sale is an elite pitcher with 2nd tier star power. He doesn't start the AS because Verlander and Ordizzi have been better YTD

I said damaged goods because he missed most of the second half of last season

 

[Ty41Office]

who said it wasnt? and whats makes that first 4 any more important than his last 10? thats how trends work, but i felt ive said that 10 times now. maybe i need a crayon.

Maybe you do need a crayon.

I keep asking why you refuse to look at the whole season and you've yet to give one response. I believe the rest of us have figured it out on our own.

 

[Ty41Office]

Yeah, but I'm sure the Red Sox front office is not regretting the trade at all. He's not a CY caliber pitcher because he doesn't have the durability, but when he's healthy and rested, he's elite. Hardly "damaged goods."

Maybe I chose the wrong term. I seem to recall him breaking down late every summer. And if I recall, he's been awful in the playoffs every year with Boston.

Maybe damaged goods was the wrong term. But there is a term.

 

[SlinkyRedfoot]

I was touching on this earlier today. In Sale's case, last night it would have been better for him to go 8 or 9 IP rather than get double digits Ks, right?

Heavy strikeout guys throw a lot of pitches. I mentioned Randy Johnson's comments about how he extended his career by pitching to fly ball outs to keep his pitch counts down.

A guy like Sale who gets handled with kid gloves could probably do himself a service by learning to do that. He could get more mileage out of his starts. On a team with a terrible bullpen, that feels like it could make a difference to his ballclub.

Are you autistic?

 

[Rock Strongo]

If your field of science is "throw out the data that tells a bad story and keep the stuff that tells a good story" then I think you might be a good fit on President Trump's team.

no, i work in thermal flux and theory in materials sciences tho. most of my work ends up space. i do a lot of TVAC testing for space companies.