Chris sale. This is getting ridiculous.

[Ty41Office]

And he still doesn't throw anyone besides himself under the bus

I don't think he'll start the All Star Game though. Red Sox offense has let him down a lot

Always been a stand up guy. Far too rare in pro sports nowadays if you ask this gentleman.

 

[Ty41Office]

Every team has at least one all star per rules

Have to think Mookie Betts and Gleyber Torres are worthy candidates even if they wore other uniforms.

 

[Rock Strongo]

Given how you've historically fared on the Chris Sale threads you start, the bold is fucking hysterical.

when you are ready to discuss valid statistics let me know.

 

[Ty41Office]

You'd have a point in an N=1, but strikeouts also represent virtually automatic outs (along with infield pops) and don't rely on the defense at all. They are very valuable. I legit do not even comprehend how anyone watching baseball for any length of time can think otherwise as velocity is now high everywhere.

K's also run up a pitch count. Randy Johnson said one of the keys to the second half dominance of his career was his willingness to take fly ball outs instead of always pushing for strikeouts. It's really hard to go 8-9 innings with a high strikeout total.

Given the Red Sox bullpen woes, Alex Cora would probably prefer to have Sale get a few less K's if he can give him another scoreless inning.

 

[Carnzo]

DeGrom is frantically waving his hands at you

Just read about that. Love the line robbed of the shut out in the most Mets way possible.

 

[Mofo]

lolz at you complaining about "stupid fans."

All Star voters putting in unworthy players because they’re fanboys? Yeah, stupid.

 

[Pure Steel]

K's also run up a pitch count. Randy Johnson said one of the keys to the second half dominance of his career was his willingness to take fly ball outs instead of always pushing for strikeouts. It's really hard to go 8-9 innings with a high strikeout total.

Given the Red Sox bullpen woes, Alex Cora would probably prefer to have Sale get a few less K's if he can give him another scoreless inning.

Yup, takes a lot of pitches to get a K.....

 

[Rock Strongo]

Yup, takes a lot of pitches to get a K.....

youd think, but sale had 99 last night to fan 10 over 7. his high is 111, and he fanned 17 with a whoppingly low 108 over 7.

normally id agree, but sales pitch count has been manageable. 1032 pitches over his last 10. thats 103 per start. thats 15.6 pitches per inning .68% for strikes. hes been very efficient for a high K guy, even on this run.

 

[Ty41Office]

Given the kid gloves treatment that Sale has to receive because of his annual late season burnouts, his pitch count is always going to be managed. Combined with the struggling bullpen, he may want to give The Big Unit a call and see if he can get some advice that might help him pitch effectively into his 30s. If I'm the Boston pitching coach, that's a message I try to teach.

 

[Rock Strongo]

Given the kid gloves treatment that Sale has to receive because of his annual late season burnouts, his pitch count is always going to be managed. Combined with the struggling bullpen, he may want to give The Big Unit a call and see if he can get some advice that might help him pitch effectively into his 30s. If I'm the Boston pitching coach, that's a message I try to teach.

his issue this year was they coddled the staff TOO much in spring. sale normally goes 20-22 IP. he had 9. same with porcello and others.

backfired, bad start.

 

[SlinkyRedfoot]

when you are ready to discuss valid statistics let me know.

Yeah, okay.

"only last ten starts are valid"

lolz

 

[Mofo]

You'd have a point in an N=1, but strikeouts also represent virtually automatic outs (along with infield pops) and don't rely on the defense at all. They are very valuable. I legit do not even comprehend how anyone watching baseball for any length of time can think otherwise as velocity is now high everywhere.

Strikeouts are at an all-time high in the major leagues. Batters simply don’t care if they count for an out.

If I was a manager or GM, I would prioritize OBP and RBIs first, and crowd-pleasing dingers a distant third. For pitching, it’s a little more muddled, but I’d like starters who can go deep into games, at least 6-7 innings. K’s drive up pitch counts. The ability to get guys out isn’t just an individual function.

 

[SlinkyRedfoot]

All Star voters putting in unworthy players because they’re fanboys? Yeah, stupid.

You're a stupid fan because you asked how rare is it that there are no Yanks or Red Sox in the ASG. That's a fucking retarded question on many levels.

 

[Rock Strongo]

Yeah, okay.

"only last ten starts are valid"

lolz

statistically speaking, its a valid sample size. its about 30% of his starts. in my world of validation, 30 is the magic number.

 

[Rock Strongo]

Strikeouts are at an all-time high in the major leagues. Batters simply don’t care if they count for an out.

If I was a manager or GM, I would prioritize OBP and RBIs first, and crowd-pleasing dingers a distant third. For pitching, it’s a little more muddled, but I’d like starters who can go deep into games, at least 6-7 innings. K’s drive up pitch counts. The ability to get guys out isn’t just an individual function.

k's eliminate virtually any way of a guy reaching base. k's are a 2 person function if you want to be technical, but the onus lies on the pitcher to maintain trajectory and repeatability in delivery.

 

[Ty41Office]

Strikeouts are at an all-time high in the major leagues. Batters simply don’t care if they count for an out.

If I was a manager or GM, I would prioritize OBP and RBIs first, and crowd-pleasing dingers a distant third. For pitching, it’s a little more muddled, but I’d like starters who can go deep into games, at least 6-7 innings. K’s drive up pitch counts. The ability to get guys out isn’t just an individual function.

That's a good point. You have to think of things from a perspective of Chris Woodward last night. Sale was doing him a favor every time he ran up a long pitch count to get a strikeout. As a result, Sale left 6 outs on the board that the Rangers could use to get to that awful Boston bullpen. And the Rangers did just that.

it's certainly a tough-luck way to lose a game. But Sale didn't give his team enough to win the game.

 

[Rock Strongo]

That's a good point. You have to think of things from a perspective of Chris Woodward last night. Sale was doing him a favor every time he ran up a long pitch count to get a strikeout. As a result, Sale left 6 outs on the board that the Rangers could use to get to that awful Boston bullpen. And the Rangers did just that.

it's certainly a tough-luck way to lose a game. But Sale didn't give his team enough to win the game.

7 IP
3 hits
0 ER
1 walk
10 k's

isnt "enough"? bullpen blew another W for him. 99 pitches. 14 per inning.

 

[Ty41Office]

7 IP
3 hits
1 ER 0 walks
10 k's

isnt "enough"? bullpen blew another W for him.

The 7IP in a 1 run game when his team has an awful bullpen.

No. I don't think that is enough. It's not Sale's fault that the Red Sox have no bullpen. But if he had given his team enough, they win the game because the bullpen isn't a factor.

His inability to throw more than 100 pitches in a start should not be overlooked either. Max Scherzer or Justin Verlander would have been out there in the 8th.

 

[Cyder]

DeGrom is frantically waving his hands at you

When talking about the lack of run production when Degrom pitched last year Todd Frazier had the best line, "We play behind this guy like we hate him".

 

[Rock Strongo]

The 7IP in a 1 run game when his team has an awful bullpen.

No. I don't think that is enough. It's not Sale's fault that the Red Sox have no bullpen. But if he had given his team enough, they win the game because the bullpen isn't a factor.

His inability to throw more than 100 pitches in a start should not be overlooked either. Max Scherzer or Justin Verlander would have been out there in the 8th.

he threw 14 pitches per inning. 99 for the game. 0 ER, 1 walk, 10 k's over 7...isnt enough? thats about all a pitcher can do for shits sake.

sale averages 103 pitches...so not sure where the "cant throw 100 pitches" is from.