Chargers to stay in SD in 2016

[ATL96Steeler]

Ok - good info. Is it a hassle for people from Mexico to make the trip back & forth? I sure hope you keep your team especially since LA now has one team (& could get the Raiders). They don't need 2 teams & could find that to be a real burden down the road. Why in the world they would welcome back the Raiders is beyond me - that is one team that I feel has absolutely no loyalty to their fans even though their fans are very loyal.

LA can easily support two teams, but the Raiders are playing second fiddle to the Chargers because of the sins of the father AL...now...SHOULD LA have two teams? IMO no, as Boltfan (I think it was him) said ideally for the NFL...SD and OAK would stay put with new stadiums and LA gets the Rams.

 

[ATL96Steeler]

Nope, it's never gotten that far. Both sides, and the economy, are to blame. Now both sides seem to be on the same page with regards to finally getting it to a vote. The media has reported a June vote, but the mayor and Spanos both agree November is much more likely.

Sure would help if the Chargers were around 7-2 in early November, lol....

The last time we voted on a stadium was 1998, it passed easily. Many credit the Padres reaching the World Series a month earlier for providing the momentum, but most feel it would have passed anyway. And nobody can argue that Petco Park has been a huge success.

Learning the lay of the land on this stadium issue thru you...I'm guessing they vote it in if Spanos is willing to be a partner in this new venue...good luck with it.

In terms of other fans in the stands...ATL has the same issue...city/metro approaching 6 mil people...I'm going to say about 45% are transplants...I remember our 1st home...literally everyone on the street was from somewhere else but one guy grew up in the metro area.

 

[boltfan72]

Learning the lay of the land on this stadium issue thru you...I'm guessing they vote it in if Spanos is willing to be a partner in this new venue...good luck with it.
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We'll see. Mayor and county supervisor seem pretty confident. It all depends on what Spanos brings to the table. My feeling is 1 of 2 things: Either he sees tons of dollar signs in LA and will accept nothing but a sweet deal in SD, or he desperately wants to stay to avoid being second fiddle and renting another man's castle.

 

[The Oldtimer]

History of the Los Angeles Rams - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

That was when the Rams moved out of LA to go to Anaheim & that was in 1980! They didn't move to St. Louis until 1995 (I should know - I was at the last game which was vs. Redskins). Big difference between moving just down the road to Anaheim & moving cross country.

My original comment #33 never said that the Rams moved to St Louis from Los Angeles in 1979. My original comment said that "the owner move the team from the Los Angeles Colisuem, because they could never sell out the +90,000 seats that were required by the NFL, before the 72 hours before game time, to show the game locally on television".

 

[Lakers+USC=#1]

LA can easily support two teams, but the Raiders are playing second fiddle to the Chargers because of the sins of the father AL...now...SHOULD LA have two teams? IMO no, as Boltfan (I think it was him) said ideally for the NFL...SD and OAK would stay put with new stadiums and LA gets the Rams.

You mean 2nd fiddle, in the NFL eyes, because of the battles Al Davis had with the NFL right? If so, I agree with you.

 

[Battlelyon]

It is not often you draft two draft franchise players in back to back drafts mostly with them not being picked in the top 5. Lets not waste this talent and WIN.

 

[ATL96Steeler]

You mean 2nd fiddle, in the NFL eyes, because of the battles Al Davis had with the NFL right? If so, I agree with you.

Yep...the thing with the NFL owners...it's a select group and they don't really change much...maybe 6 new owners over the last 20 yrs maybe...so they have long memories and Al Davis clearly ruffled some feathers...they're going to make the son squirm as much as they can.

I know nothing is going to happen in OAK, so I kinda hope he moves to Vegas just for spite.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

My original comment #33 never said that the Rams moved to St Louis from Los Angeles in 1979. My original comment said that "the owner move the team from the Los Angeles Colisuem, because they could never sell out the +90,000 seats that were required by the NFL, before the 72 hours before game time, to show the game locally on television".

True - but that was over 35 years ago. What in the world does that have to do with anything happening at the current time?

 

[SoCalWizFan]

LA can easily support two teams, but the Raiders are playing second fiddle to the Chargers because of the sins of the father AL...now...SHOULD LA have two teams? IMO no, as Boltfan (I think it was him) said ideally for the NFL...SD and OAK would stay put with new stadiums and LA gets the Rams.

Not quite sure about that. See my previous reply about the various challenges of the LA market that make it quite different than other areas of the country. Until the last three years I lived there for about 20 years, and I never got the feeling that having an NFL team in that area was that big of deal. I felt this way both when they had 2 teams and when both teams moved.

Having 2 teams in the area is no big deal if both teams are always winning. However - can you honestly tell me that the Rams, Raiders and/or Chargers will likely field a consistent winner over the next 10-20 years?

 

[The Oldtimer]

True - but that was over 35 years ago. What in the world does that have to do with anything happening at the current time?

It doesn't have anything to do with the 2016 season. Someone asked why the Rams moved out of the Los Angeles Coliseum in 1979.

 

[ATL96Steeler]

Not quite sure about that. See my previous reply about the various challenges of the LA market that make it quite different than other areas of the country. Until the last three years I lived there for about 20 years, and I never got the feeling that having an NFL team in that area was that big of deal. I felt this way both when they had 2 teams and when both teams moved.

Having 2 teams in the area is no big deal if both teams are always winning. However - can you honestly tell me that the Rams, Raiders and/or Chargers will likely field a consistent winner over the next 10-20 years?

When I say, they can...I'm going off the same basic principles as NYC...population base, disposable income, corporate sponsors, etc. If the NBA/MLB can place two teams there, why can't the NFL?

I'll go back and look at your post spelling out the challenges, but the biggest challenge is pretty much like you've said...what happens when they're not winning...for the next 5 to 6 years...the Rams will do okay regardless I think.

In terms of it not being a big deal...that applies everywhere but CLE, maybe some of the big east coast cities where there isn't much to do in fall/winter...when ATL lost their NHL team for the 2nd time because the NHL season runs concurrent with the NBA, it was almost as if they were never here.

 

[Tin Man]

So, then, San Diego will still have the Aztecs... And, the gas light district...

 

[SoCalWizFan]

My original comment #33 never said that the Rams moved to St Louis from Los Angeles in 1979. My original comment said that "the owner move the team from the Los Angeles Colisuem, because they could never sell out the +90,000 seats that were required by the NFL, before the 72 hours before game time, to show the game locally on television".

Fair enough. However - go back & read #33 including the previous comment. You were replying to a statement by someone about why the Rams moved to St. Louis. It is understandable that I would get confused when someone is talking about the relocation to Anaheim & doesn't even specifically mention that.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

So, then, San Diego will still have the Aztecs... And, the gas light district...

And the weather, girls, beaches, etc (along w/ traffic & expensive housing). With that in mind I think people can tolerate having to watch the NFL only on TV (as most people do anyhow).

 

[SoCalWizFan]

When I say, they can...I'm going off the same basic principles as NYC...population base, disposable income, corporate sponsors, etc. If the NBA/MLB can place two teams there, why can't the NFL?

I'll go back and look at your post spelling out the challenges, but the biggest challenge is pretty much like you've said...what happens when they're not winning...for the next 5 to 6 years...the Rams will do okay regardless I think.

In terms of it not being a big deal...that applies everywhere but CLE, maybe some of the big east coast cities where there isn't much to do in fall/winter...when ATL lost their NHL team for the 2nd time because the NHL season runs concurrent with the NBA, it was almost as if they were never here.

NYC has the weather issue & also a lot more diehard fans for the Jets & Giants. That has never & never will be the case for LA. Again - if it is Nov in LA I might just say "Screw it - I am going to the beach or mountains" on a given Sunday - those choices don't exist in most places.

Basketball - at least the Lakers - is a different issue for LA - they live and breath that team. The Clippers - who knows - & several times they have been rumored to move out of LA in the recent past. As for baseball - different type of crowd who go for the weather, atmosphere, etc & it doesn't rely on constant sellouts & benefits from crowds of opposing teams (that don't need to be as large as football). I also believe that the most likely very steep price of tickets for the new NFL team will be a factor.

Again - I believe this can work if they are consistent winners, but that will be tough for these teams. I also believe that regardless this will work for the first 3-4 seasons. However - don't be surprised that if 2 teams are relocated that one of them relocates elsewhere in the not too distant future.

 

[Lakers+USC=#1]

Not quite sure about that. See my previous reply about the various challenges of the LA market that make it quite different than other areas of the country. Until the last three years I lived there for about 20 years, and I never got the feeling that having an NFL team in that area was that big of deal. I felt this way both when they had 2 teams and when both teams moved.

Having 2 teams in the area is no big deal if both teams are always winning. However - can you honestly tell me that the Rams, Raiders and/or Chargers will likely field a consistent winner over the next 10-20 years?

You are talking like LA is new to football. Rams been here since 46. What does LA have to prove?

 

[SoCalWizFan]

You are talking like LA is new to football. Rams been here since 46. What does LA have to prove?

It was a totally different game way back when. The first SB was in LA & tickets could be had for as little as $12. In this era - especially with that new expensive stadium - tickets prices and other costs are going to be through the roof. After the honeymoon is over - having constant sellouts will be an issue unless the teams are constantly winning. LA has not had a good track record in this area for even well before the teams moved out of LA.

Nobody is saying that this is LA's fault & nobody has to prove anything. This is a bottom line business. I have outlined several reasons why it will be tough to sustain two teams in LA over the long haul & I stand by them. I am just saying that say in 8-10 years one of those teams doesn't bring in the big crowds they will quite possibly consider moving elsewhere. This will especially be true for the Raiders since they have done this several times before (& they always have someone else to blame).

Don't take it so personally. I am just presenting an opinion of why 2 teams in LA may not be the best idea in world. Honestly - why is it so critical that two teams need to be in LA? Also - if you somehow feel that LA is being the victim in all of this then you may want to also consider how it feels for the other cities who are having their teams removed from their area.

 

[ATL96Steeler]

NYC has the weather issue & also a lot more diehard fans for the Jets & Giants. That has never & never will be the case for LA. Again - if it is Nov in LA I might just say "Screw it - I am going to the beach or mountains" on a given Sunday - those choices don't exist in most places.

Basketball - at least the Lakers - is a different issue for LA - they live and breath that team. The Clippers - who knows - & several times they have been rumored to move out of LA in the recent past. As for baseball - different type of crowd who go for the weather, atmosphere, etc & it doesn't rely on constant sellouts & benefits from crowds of opposing teams (that don't need to be as large as football). I also believe that the most likely very steep price of tickets for the new NFL team will be a factor.

Again - I believe this can work if they are consistent winners, but that will be tough for these teams. I also believe that regardless this will work for the first 3-4 seasons. However - don't be surprised that if 2 teams are relocated that one of them relocates elsewhere in the not too distant future.

I totally understand the SoCal mindset when it comes to sports...it's not a whole lot different in So FL.

NBA/MLB...the economics might differ some from one sport to the next, but in a region with over 20 million people, it can be done again.

At the same time. I don't expect it to happen. I think if Spanos doesn't try to hose SD, and he comes to the table with some money...they will meet him somewhere in the middle and get a deal done in SD.

OAK...Davis might just tell the NFL to go screw themselves he's going to Vegas...see you in court!

 

[SoCalWizFan]

I totally understand the SoCal mindset when it comes to sports...it's not a whole lot different in So FL.

NBA/MLB...the economics might differ some from one sport to the next, but in a region with over 20 million people, it can be done again.

At the same time. I don't expect it to happen. I think if Spanos doesn't try to hose SD, and he comes to the table with some money...they will meet him somewhere in the middle and get a deal done in SD.

OAK...Davis might just tell the NFL to go screw themselves he's going to Vegas...see you in court!

Would love to see a team in Vegas just to see the reaction of the owners, players, media, etc. However - I wonder if the NFL owners will improve as part of their continual somewhat phony stance about being opposed to sports betting.