Butterfly effect - the Lindros trade

[puckhead]

this is pretty amazing
(from Butterfly Effect: The full impact of the Lindros trade - HFBoards , where he shows his work of each trade)

Over the past few months I've made a side hobby of tracing the complete "family tree" of the Eric Lindros trade.

In this project, I recorded ONLY connections made by subsequent trades. I did not count waiver claims, free agent signings, salary dumps, or other "indirect" consequences. So what you will see is the complete, direct tree of events that resulted from trades tracing directly back to the Lindros trade.

Trivia:
Total players affected: 542
Players currently with their NHL teams due to this trade: 128
Future draft picks affected by this trade: up to 14

To begin, here are the players currently on an NHL contract whose presence on their teams is directly attributable to the Lindros deal:

Anaheim
Joseph Cramarossa
Matthew Lombardi
Corey Perry

Boston
Matt Bartkowski
Gregory Campbell
Loui Eriksson
Alexander Fallstrom
Matt Fraser
Dougie Hamilton
Jared Knight
Milan Lucic
Brad Marchand
Joe Morrow
Dennis Seidenberg
Reilly Smith

Buffalo
William Carrier
Nicolas Deslauriers
Chris Stewart

Calgary
Reto Berra
Chris Butler
Paul Byron
Mark Cundari
Markus Granlund
Emile Poirier
Max Reinhart
Olivier Roy
Kris Russell
Ladislav Smid
Matt Stajan
Kevin Westgarth
Dennis Wideman
Tyler Wotherspoon

Carolina
Brock McGinn
Riley Nash
Greg Nemisz
Andrej Sekera
Justin Shugg
Jared Staal
Jordan Staal
Brett Sutter
Oskar Osala

Chicago
Niklas Hjalmarsson
Jeremy Morin

Colorado
Stefan Elliott
Paul Stastny
Ryan Wilson

Columbus
Artem Anisimov
Brandon Dubinsky
Tim Erixon
Matt Frattin
Nikita Nikitin
Kerby Rychel
James Wisniewski

Dallas
Ryan Button
Rich Peverley
Tyler Seguin

Detroit
none

Edmonton
Laurent Brossoit
Roman Horak
Oscar Klefbom
Ben Scrivens

Florida
Steven Anthony
Nick Bjugstad
Quinton Howden
Roberto Luongo
Alex Petrovic
Colby Robak
Logan Shaw

Los Angeles
Andrew Campbell
Derek Forbort
Brayden McNabb
Jonathan Parker
Robyn Regehr
Mike Richards
Jordan Weal

Minnesota
Raphael Bussieres
Nino Niederreiter
Mike Rupp
Stephane Veilleux
Jason Zucker

Montreal
Charles Hudon
Joonas Nattinen
Jarred Tinordi

Nashville
Nick Spaling
Colin Wilson

New Jersey
Marek Zidlicky

New York Islanders
Josh Bailey
Cal Clutterbuck
Travis Hamonic
Aaron Ness
Johan Sundstrom

New York Rangers
Brian Boyle
Derick Brassard
Oscar Lindberg
John Moore
Rick Nash
Darroll Powe

Ottawa
none

Philadelphia
Nicklas Grossmann
Brayden Schenn
Wayne Simmonds

Phoenix
Louis Domingue
Brandon Gormley
Lauri Korpikoski
Brandon McMillan
Marc Visentin
Justin Weller

Pittsburgh
Brian Dumoulin
Derrick Pouliot
Brandon Sutter

San Jose
Nick Petrecki
Joe Thornton

St. Louis
Jay Bouwmeester
Joel Edmundson
Ryan Miller
Steve Ott

Tampa Bay
Keith Aulie

Toronto
Jonathan Bernier
Phil Kessel
Kevin Marshall
Dion Phaneuf

Vancouver
David Booth
Cole Cassels
Jacob Markstrom
Shawn Matthias

Washington
Nicolas Deschamps
Jaroslav Halak

Winnipeg
Austen Brassard
Dustin Byfuglien
Julian Melchiori

 

[puckhead]

Here is a complete list of players who were moved in trades with a direct connection to the Lindros deal:

Craig Adams
Maxim Afinogenov
Juha Alen
Akim Aliu
JS Allard
Bryan Allen
Jonas Andersson
Dave Andreychuk
Artem Anisimov
Steven Anthony
Olivier Archambault
Yuri Artemenkov
Carter Ashton
Adrian Aucoin
Donald Audette
Alex Auld
Keith Aulie
Jared Aulin
Anton Babchuk
Zdenek Bahensky
Paul Baier
Josh Bailey
Jaroslav Balastik
Gord Baldwin
Keith Ballard
Maxim Balmochnykh
Krys Barch
Matthew Barnaby
Matt Bartkowski
Joe Basaraba
Bob Bassen
Ryan Bast
Nolan Baumgartner
Steve Begin
Wade Belak
Brett Bennett
Drake Berehowsky
Bill Berg
Marc-Andre Bergeron
Jonathan Bernier
Steve Bernier
Reto Berra
Todd Bertuzzi
Josh Birkholz
Mathieu Biron
Byron Bitz
Nick Bjugstad
Rob Blake
Radek Bonk
David Booth
Darryl Bootland
Rob Bordson
Brian Boucher
Tyler Bouck
Ray Bourque
Jay Bouwmeester
Brad Boyes
Brian Boyle
Nick Boynton
Matt Bradley
Donald Brashear
Austen Brassard
Pavel Brendl
Sam Brittain
Laurent Brossoit
Brad Brown
Curtis Brown
Benoit Brunet
Brett Bruneteau
Paul Buchnevich
Valeri Bure
Codey Burki
Adam Burt
Raphael Bussieres
Garth Butcher
Chris Butler
Ryan Button
Dustin Byfuglien
Paul Byron
Andrew Campbell
Gregory Campbell
Trevor Cann
Keith Carney
Sebastien Caron
Anson Carter
Cole Cassels
Jiri Cetkovsky
Denis Chasse
Zdeno Ciger
Wendel Clark
Cal Clutterbuck
Mike Commodore
JT Compher
Rene Corbet
Chris Corrinet
Joe Corvo
Sylvain Cote
Russ Courtnall
Joey Crabb
Joseph Cramarossa
BJ Crombeen
Mark Cundari
Alexandre Daigle
J.F. Damphousse
Matt Davidson
Matt Davis
Nigel Dawes
Adam Deadmarsh
Kevin Dean
Matt DeBlouw
Steven Delisle
Peter Delmas
Andy Delmore
James Delory
Matt DeMarchi
Nicolas Deschamps
Mathieu Descoteaux
Phil Desimone
Nicolas Deslauriers
Phillippe Desrosiers
Nate Dicasmirro
Josiah Didier
Chris Dingman
Christian Djoos
Jason Doig
Louis Domingue
Shean Donovan
Joonas Donskoi
Jiri Dopita
Harold Druken
Chris Drury
Brandon Dubinsky
Steve Dubinsky
Steve Duchesne
Mike Duco
Brian Dumoulin
Chris Durno
Chris Dyment
Ben Eager
Patrick Eaves
Joel Edmundson
Patrick Ehelechner
Brad Eidsness
Nils Ekman
Stefan Elliott
Dave Emma
Shane Endicott
Loui Eriksson
Tim Erixon
Alexander Fallstrom
Hudson Fascing
Jesper Fasth
Andrew Ference
Eric Fichaud
Corey Fienhage
Mark Fitzpatrick
Theo Fleury
Derek Forbort
Matthew Ford
Kurtis Foster
Matt Fraser
Matt Frattin
Jeff Friesen
Mathieu Garon
Dan Gendur
Steven Goertzen
Boyd Gordon
Brandon Gormley
Michael Grabner
Elias Granath
Jean-Luc Grand-Pierre
Markus Granlund
Chris Gratton
Denis Grebeshkov
Martin Grenier
Mike Grier
Michael Grosek
Nicklas Grossmann
Denis Grot
Jake Guentzel
Vladimir Gusev
Jeff Hackett
Sean Haggerty
Niklas Hagman
David Hale
Peter Hamerlik
Curtis Hamilton
Dougie Hamilton
Travis Hamonic
Kevin Hayes
Barrett Heisten
Darby Hendrickson
Jordan Henry
Ron Hextall
Chris Higgins
Niklas Hjalmarsson
Jan Hlavac
Justin Holl
Andreas Holmqvist
Jonas Holos
Brian Holzinger
Roman Horak
Nathan Horton
Ville Hostikka
Quinton Howden
Charles Hudon
Cristobal Huet
Kerry Huffman
Shane Hynes
Brad Isbister
Andreas Jamtin
Jeff Jillson
Adam Johnson
Mike Johnson
Pierre Johnsson
Kim Johnsson
Justin Jokinen
Olli Jokinen
Keith Jones
Kenny Jonsson
Dmitri Kalinin
Sami Kapanen
Alex Karpovtsev
Jeff Kealty
Mike Keane
Matt Keith
Regan Kelly
Tim Kennedy
Phil Kessel
Nikolai Khabibulin
Alex Kharitonov
Yuri Khmylev
Oscar Klefbom
Jakub Klepis
Jared Knight
Chuck Kobasew
Alexander Kochlachev
Krys Kolanos
Tyler Kolarik
Maxim Kondratiev
Petri Kontiola
Lauri Korpikoski
Jan Kostalek
Tom Kostopolous
Ales Kotalik
Andrei Kovalenko
Lukas Krajicek
Jaroslav Kristek
Uwe Krupp
Dmitri Kugryshev
Oleg Kvasha
Nick Kypreos
Dan LaCosta
Christian Laflamme
Simon Lajeunesse
Michael Lambert
Darren Langdon
Evgeny Lazarev
Mike Leclerc
Sylvain Lefebvre
Claude Lemieux
Jordan Leopold
Curtis Leschyshyn
Trevor Letowski
David Liffiton
Juha Lind
Oscar Lindberg
Trevor Linden
Brett Lindros
Eric Lindros
Enver Lisin
James Lodge
Matthew Lombardi
Milan Lucic
Roberto Luongo
Roman Lyashenko
Mark MacMillan
Stewart Malgunas
Manny Malhotra
Marek Malik
Paul Manning
Dave Manson
Paul Mara
Brad Marchand
Martin Marincin
Jacob Markstrom
Kevin Marshall
Shawn Matthias
Mitch Maunu
Ben Maxwell
Brad May
Jamal Mayers
Eamon McAdam
Chris McAllister
Bryan McCabe
Jake McCabe
Shane McColgan
Matt McCue
Brock McGinn
Kyle McLaren
Brandon McMillan
Brayden McNabb
Andrei Medvedev
Julian Melchiori
Eric Mestery
Stefan Meyer
Branislav Mezei
Ryan Miller
Aaron Miller
Torrey Mitchell
Sergio Momesso
Jeremy Morin
Marc Moro
Derek Morris
Brenden Morrow
Joe Morrow
Tyler Moss
Mark Mowers
Mirko Murovic
Anders Myrvold
Rick Nash
Riley Nash
Tyson Nash
Alain Nasreddine
Joonas Nattinen
Andrei Nazarov
Stan Neckar
John Negrin
Levi Nelson
Sergei Nemchinov
Greg Nemisz
Aaron Ness
Rob Niedermayer
Nino Niederreiter
Janne Niinimaa
Nikita Nikitin
Andrei Nikolishin
Brian Noonan
Niklas Nordgren
Lawrence Nycholat
Michal Nylander
Shane O’Brien
Patrick O’Sullivan
Victor Oreskovich
Andrew Orpik
Oskar Osala
Steve Ott
Michel Ouellet
Samuel Pahlsson
Michael Paliotta
Nick Palmieri
Adam Pardy
Ryan Parent
PA Parenteau
Jonathan Parker
Scott Parker
Mark Parrish
Denis Parshin
Kent Patterson
Matej Paulovic
Rob Pearson
Denis Pederson
Dustin Penner
Corey Perry
Dmitri Pestunov
Nick Petrecki
Kirill Petrov
Alex Petrovic
Pontus Petterstrom
Rich Peverley
Dion Phaneuf
Derek Plante
Andre Podkonicky
Justin Pogge
Igor Pohanka
Emile Poirier
Vojtech Polak
Tucker Poolman
Brian Pothier
Ryan Potulny
Derrick Pouliot
Darroll Powe
Wayne Presley
Wayne Primeau
Petr Prucha
Brandon Prust
Paul Ranger
Marty Reasoner
Mark Recchi
Tyler Redenbach
Robyn Regehr
Max Reinhart
Steven Reinprecht
Mickey Renaud
Mike Ricci
Mike Richards
Brad Richardson
Stefan Ridderwall
Mike Ridley
Colby Robak
Dwayne Roloson
Brian Rolston
Allan Rourke
Andre Roy
Derek Roy
Olivier Roy
Patrick Roy
Remi Royer
Martin Rucinsky
Mike Rupp
Kris Russell
Mikko Ruutu
Stefan Ruzicka
Billy Ryan
Kerby Rychel
Brandon Saad
Sergei Samsonov
Martin Samuelsson
Mikael Samuelsson
Geoff Sanderson
Zachary Sanford
Bobby Sanguinetti
Corey Sarich
Nathan Saunders
Philippe Sauve
Brayden Schenn
Mathieu Schneider
Michael Schutte
Ben Scrivens
Keith Seabrook
Tyler Seguin
Dennis Seidenberg
Teemu Selanne
Brennan Serville
Tyson Sexsmith
David Shantz
Logan Shaw
Steve Shields
Sergei Shirokov
Devin Shore
Justin Shugg
Ben Shutron
Mike Siklenka
Juraj Simek
Wayne Simmonds
Chris Simon
Shane Sims
Fredrick Sjostrom
Brett Skinner
Ladislav Smid
DJ Smith
Reilly Smith
Tommy Soderstrom
Brent Sopel
Nick Spaling
Bruno St Jacques
Jared Staal
Jordan Staal
Matt Stajan
Paul Stastny
Yan Stastny
Dave Steckel
Logan Stephenson
Werner, Steve
Cory Stillman
Zack Stortini
Anton Stralman
Brad Stuart
Colin Stuart
Marco Sturm
Sean Sullivan
Mats Sundin
Johan Sundstrom
Niklas Sundstrom
Brandon Sutter
Brett Sutter
Ron Sutter
Bryce Swan
Petr Sykora
Danny Syvret
Rick Tabaracci
Jeff Taffe
Jeff Tambellini
Alex Tanguay
Mikael Tellqvist
Dmitri Tertyshni
Joe Tetarenko
Colten Teubert
Jocelyn Thibault
Joe Thornton
Scott Thornton
Esa Tikkanen
Jarred Tinordi
Raffi Torres
Patrick Traverse
David Tremblay
Yuri Trubachev
Maxim Trunev
Kirill Tulupov
Evgeni Tunik
Oleg Tverdovsky
Igor Ulanov
RJ Umberger
Ossi Vaananen
Mike Van Ryn
Shaun Van Allen
Jim Vandermeer
Stephane Veilleux
Mikko Viitanen
Marc Visentin
Tomas Vokoun
Aaron Ward
Ethan Warek
Rhett Warrener
Todd Warriner
Jordan Weal
Kevin Weekes
Jason Weimer
Eric Weinrich
Craig Weller
Justin Weller
Brad Werenka
Jase Weslosky
Kevin Westgarth
Ian White
Kay Whitmore
Dennis Wideman
Marty Wilford
Shane Willis
Colin Wilson
Landon Wilson
Ryan Wilson
James Wisniewski
Tyler Wotherspoon
Yuha Ylonen
Tomas Zaborsky
Ruslan Zainullin
Miroslav Zalesak
Daniil Zharkov
Marek Zidlicky
Jason Zucker

 

[obxyankeefan]

I always thought that Colorado's team was built thru that trade, but never realized how many players it affected.

 

[puckhead]

I always thought that Colorado's team was built thru that trade, but never realized how many players it affected.

kind of funny that Colorado and Philly each have only three active players left through all of the repercussions,
while random teams like Boston and Calgary have a dozen each.

 

[Cobiemonster]

lol at Detroit and Ottawa having none

 

[David_son]

This is kinda dumb you can do that for any trade almost and it could go on forever

 

[Progeriakid]

This is kinda dumb you can do that for any trade almost and it could go on forever

Not really, most trades don't include the amount of players, draft picks and money exchanged to acquire 1 player as in the Lindros deal. Prove your point or stop with the mouth diarrhea!

 

[David_son]

Not really, most trades don't include the amount of players, draft picks and money exchanged to acquire 1 player as in the Lindros deal. Prove your point or stop with the mouth diarrhea!

Ok ill get back to you in a few days when I go though pages of transactions, but anyone who has been traded a few times can create the same sort of "butterfly effect" the reason for this is not just based off the initial but any transaction for that player until the end of his career.

For example.

Player A and B are traded for Player C and D and a 1st round pick.


so in this made up scenario these four players move on though FA or future trades creating an extreme 6 degrees of separation. to the original trade. When you are saying current players that were barely alive when the original Lindros to the Flyers trade happened were effected that gets a bit extreme.


Now Im not trashing the guy obviously it took a lot of work and time to find out years of transactions on anyone who might be some what connected to the Lindros trade. Once you get so far out though it has no real connection to what you originally started with.

I will also add that chances are the players on that list that are still playing would probably still be on the same team. Now I have no way to prove it but drafts and trades in all sports work the same they determine best in a draft and if they feel they need to move up or can move down to get the guy they want they will do so getting the guy they targeted. Same with trades they go after the person they feel will best improve their team.

 

[elocomotive]

Now Im not trashing the guy obviously it took a lot of work and time to find out years of transactions on anyone who might be some what connected to the Lindros trade. Once you get so far out though it has no real connection to what you originally started with.

Oh, awesome, I was hoping someone would leave that to me.

This is a MASSIVE waste of time. It's interesting to peruse for a couple minutes, but it doesn't actually mean much and I question it's accuracy/basis as did this poster - "What I found really interesting was the fact that Columbus has more players on their team right now than the actual two teams that made the trade combined, despite the fact that they were still 7 years away from existing at the time of the actual trade."

This guy found 542 connections to Lindros. He would have been better off (1) filling out 542 job applications or (2) listing 542 reasons he never gets laid instead.

 

[forty_three]

Statistically, it is interesting but in a substantial sense, it doesn't really mean much. Too many factors since that trade so it seems a little silly to say that if Quebec and Philly hadn't traded Lindros than the Jackets would not have Wiz, Dubi, Arty or Frattin. It is neat to see the bloodline, but it's more for gawking's sake than anything.

Like every once in a while you see people who follow trade histories and come up with some tripe like "Once you go through it all, Boston traded Phil Esposito for Andrej Meszaros!". At some point there are too many steps between to make it worth chasing down. Interesting to follow, but not much current day impact.

 

[puckhead]

well I thought it was neat.

 

[elocomotive]

well I thought it was neat.

Damn it, I almost put in my post that I still enjoyed the thread, Puck. Just sayin' that dude has too much time on his hands.

 

[juliansteed]

Does it factor in the Primeau for Brind'Amour trade after Lindros slept with Brind'Amour's wife?

 

[forty_three]

well I thought it was neat.

I didn't say it wasn't neat. I am an investigator, I love following lines to their ends no matter the result.

 

[DragonfromTO]

Does it factor in the Primeau for Brind'Amour trade after Lindros slept with Brind'Amour's wife?

Oh I know, your cousin's friend was an usher at the First Union Center and he totally confirmed it

 

[DevilishWon]

lol at Detroit and Ottawa having none

In fairness Ottawa's entire lineup is due to the Yashin trade with the Milbury Isles so they get a free pass on this one.

 

[postmaster]

lol at Detroit and Ottawa having none

In fairness Ottawa's entire lineup is due to the Yashin trade with the Milbury Isles so they get a free pass on this one.

All those players were far too young for the Wings to trade for as well. They only picked the old veterans during that time for the most part.

As a side note, I did find this thread very interesting. Good work.

 

[postmaster]

I always thought that Colorado's team was built thru that trade, but never realized how many players it affected.

I always felt that Colorado always went for the home run swing at trade deadline trading away too much young talent at the expense of winning. It worked for them for a while but I think it caught up to them over the long term.

 

[esls79]

I don't know if that list is entirely complete. I distinctly remember trading a couple of 92-93 Upper Deck Lindros rookie cards for some names not listed.

 

[wingsauce7]

I always felt that Colorado always went for the home run swing at trade deadline trading away too much young talent at the expense of winning. It worked for them for a while but I think it caught up to them over the long term.

Lol, pretty much all the heavy hitters during that time period took big swings like Colorado. There were many reasons it caught up with the Avs (trading young talent among them) like the Salary cap that happened in the early 2000's, Pierre LaCroix stepping down as GM, ect..