Burrow Lobbying for Chase

[Cincyfan78]

some team with an older QB would be more likely to beat us to it.

we still have a lot of needs on defense and the OL is only mid-tier with the recent upgrades, and it needs to be top tier the way our offense is structured.

Yes, they have Allen as the backup. Likely would not spend a draft pick on a QB and just find a UDFA or FA to get that 3rd QB spot.

 

[Cincyfan78]

If it shakes out this way, I would be happy. I think the free agency investments on D allow you to go first three picks on offense. And I like the idea of 2nd and 3rd rounders for the line. As you said, people are saying the depth is going to be good at that position.

An offense with Chase, Boyd, Higgins, and Mixon as your specialists is dangerous. My only concern would be that the running game would still struggle. My recollection is that Taylor falls in love with 11 personnel, but we have terrible runnings stats from that set.

Regardless of where they go with Chase/Pitts - this draft is deep enough to land an impact receiver/TE AND still land starting quality OL in rounds 2 and 3.

 

[CrashDavisSports]

Pros and Cons to all these one year contracts

Pros
No long term commitment to a player that could break during the season, or not be worth the contract.
Opportunity to bond with the other players and get to know the system, easier to maybe resign next year.
Gave us opportunity to take best available on draft day this year.

Cons
Contracts are only for this year, so come next year we have a bidding war with teams with more money and those willing to get creative in spending.
Next year could mean a lot of turnover so chemistry will be at risk.


Anyone else able to add anything. I know this is a little off topic, but it hits at the heart of the draft and what we are doing in the upcoming parts of this off season and next.

 

[Cincyfan78]

Saw an article while I was at the gym - Burrow apparently is NOT lobbying for Chase. That's not to say he doesn't want him, or wouldn't like to have him, but that he's not specifically lobbying for Chase at 5.

 

[DanBengalfan]

that's good. we'll draft whoever is looking the best at the time.

or we'll trade back and plug in our swiss cheese defense.

 

[Cincyfan78]

One thing I did not realize, though, is how good Boyd has been inside...I know he lines up a lot outside - but looking at the numbers, I think having a guy outside and Boyd inside could also present great options:

Since 2018 Boyd has 51 catches of 15+ yards from the slot....#1 in the NFL through that time.

 

[CrashDavisSports]

Saw an article while I was at the gym - Burrow apparently is NOT lobbying for Chase. That's not to say he doesn't want him, or wouldn't like to have him, but that he's not specifically lobbying for Chase at 5.

Can't be too giddy I guess. Someone who really wants Chase could trade up with the Falcons and nab him. Then they would have a lot of egg on their face. I think they need to tone it back a bit.

 

[futballiscool]

Can't be too giddy I guess. Someone who really wants Chase could trade up with the Falcons and nab him. Then they would have a lot of egg on their face. I think they need to tone it back a bit.

That could push a coveted QB down the board and put the Bengals in position for a multiple first rd pick trade so maybe go with it. Only half kidding. Draft season feels like the ultimate poker game

 

[Cincyfan78]

Can't be too giddy I guess. Someone who really wants Chase could trade up with the Falcons and nab him. Then they would have a lot of egg on their face. I think they need to tone it back a bit.

I really think the first 4 picks go QB. Bengals are in a PRIME spot. If a team ahead of them does take a WR/TE/OL - Bengals are suddenly going to get a TON of calls from teams looking to move up.

I wouldn't trade too far back into the 1st round, but looking at the teams right after the Bengals each team from 7-8-9 could use a QB...that means extra picks and dropping only 2-4 slots means that a key OL (Sewell has been dropping lately, or Slater from NW), Pitts, or even another WR is there for the taking. Depending on the trade, they could nab an extra 2nd this year and then really hit that value spot at the OL position.

 

[Cincyfan78]

FWIW - the Media draft has Carolina trading up to 5 to select a QB. Bengals then watch Chase and Sewell drop off the board, and happily select Pitts with an extra high round draft pick in their pocket.

They don't list the additional pick, but the value jump from 8 to 5 is 300pts. That would slot between a 3rd and 2nd. So, I think if CAR really wants to move up that badly to ensure they get their QB - they pay up for a 2nd. That would give Cincinnati back to back picks in the 2nd round at 38 and 39.

 

[CrashDavisSports]

FWIW - the Media draft has Carolina trading up to 5 to select a QB. Bengals then watch Chase and Sewell drop off the board, and happily select Pitts with an extra high round draft pick in their pocket.

They don't list the additional pick, but the value jump from 8 to 5 is 300pts. That would slot between a 3rd and 2nd. So, I think if CAR really wants to move up that badly to ensure they get their QB - they pay up for a 2nd. That would give Cincinnati back to back picks in the 2nd round at 38 and 39.

Heard rumors the Falcons are thinking about Pitts at 4.

 

[rmilia1]

There's no reason to take a WR top 5 this year. There are 7-8 really really good wideouts in this draft. Taking Sewell at 5 and them a guy like Bateman in round 2 is a much better draft than taking Chase and then a mediocre OL in the 2nd

 

[rmilia1]

Heard rumors the Falcons are thinking about Pitts at 4.

If we stay at 4 it'll be to take Pitts or Sewell. If we trade back to 8/9 the pick will be CB or Parsons

 

[rmilia1]

There's really no point in Carolina moving to 5. Cincy, Miami and Detroit aren't taking QBs. If the Panthers move from 8 it'll need to be to 4 to guarantee they get a QB. Moving to 5 does them no good if Denver moves to 4. Them Carolina is basically giving up a 2nd rounder for a guy they could've picked at 8. I can't see anyone in the teens or 20s trading in front of Carolina. That's a lot of draft capital to give up for the 4th or 5th best QB in the class

 

[cincygrad]

There's really no point in Carolina moving to 5. Cincy, Miami and Detroit aren't taking QBs. If the Panthers move from 8 it'll need to be to 4 to guarantee they get a QB. Moving to 5 does them no good if Denver moves to 4. Them Carolina is basically giving up a 2nd rounder for a guy they could've picked at 8. I can't see anyone in the teens or 20s trading in front of Carolina. That's a lot of draft capital to give up for the 4th or 5th best QB in the class

Here's the issue.... Lets say you're right and Atlanta takes Pitts with the 4th pick and Justin Fields is still on the board. Carolina can wait and hope that Detroit and Miami don't trade their pick with Denver, New England, or some other team that wants Fields. If Carolina wants to ensure that they get Fields, they'd likely gamble by trading their second round pick and swapping firsts. I could see that happening.

Now, is it smart business to give up that draft capital for the 4th qb taken? I don't think so..... But I also don't think Justin Fields is the 4th best prospect at the position. I think it is next to ridiculous that people now have Mac Jones rated higher. Fields has been a prodigy since high school.... He and Lawrence have always been 1 and 2 in the country. Scouts overthink this stuff.

 

[Cincyfan78]

FWIW - Se

Here's the issue.... Lets say you're right and Atlanta takes Pitts with the 4th pick and Justin Fields is still on the board. Carolina can wait and hope that Detroit and Miami don't trade their pick with Denver, New England, or some other team that wants Fields. If Carolina wants to ensure that they get Fields, they'd likely gamble by trading their second round pick and swapping firsts. I could see that happening.

Now, is it smart business to give up that draft capital for the 4th qb taken? I don't think so..... But I also don't think Justin Fields is the 4th best prospect at the position. I think it is next to ridiculous that people now have Mac Jones rated higher. Fields has been a prodigy since high school.... He and Lawrence have always been 1 and 2 in the country. Scouts overthink this stuff.

Could not agree more. It's less about what Miami needs or Detroit needs and more about their willingness to deal that pick to someone who does have needs.

And, FWIW - I can absolutely see Detroit taking a QB here. They made the trade, but in reality - I don't think they are married to Bradford, and this allows them an easy out without having to wait around again for another QB prospect, or drafting this high again, or having to trade into a top pick for a QB.

Also, I think Mac Jones is a guy who, maybe doesn't have the ceiling as someone like a Fields, but I also think his floor is much higher than someone like Fields. You may not get All-Pro QB play out of him, but you are also less likely to end up being in this position again in 4 years. Top 5? No. 1st round - yeah, in the later part - but again, some of this is less about that specific person, and more about what happens around them that drives value. When you have 5 QB's that are 1st roundish grades, and suddenly 3 go in the first 3 picks, the value of the other 2 QB's goes much higher. From there it's about fit, scheme, and where the franchise feels each QB can be in 2-3 years and long-term. Fields could be a Deshaun Watson, but he could also end up more like Jacoby Brissett. Mac Jones isn't likely to be Luck/Manning or Brees, but he's also likely to end up better than Dalton or Flacco. Romo might be a better comp??

 

[futballiscool]

I see Mac Jones as a slightly less mobile version of Burrow when he was a prospect last year . I'm surprised there's been such a backlash to the idea of him as a top 10 pick when there seemed to be close to universal agreement for Burrow as the top pick in the draft in his draft class.

Jones completed over 77 percent of his passes in a pro style offense in the toughest conference in the country. I see Burrow/Matt Ryan/Kirk Cousins as realistic comps.

 

[Cincyfan78]

I see Mac Jones as a slightly less mobile version of Burrow when he was a prospect last year . I'm surprised there's been such a backlash to the idea of him as a top 10 pick when there seemed to be close to universal agreement for Burrow as the top pick in the draft in his draft class.

Jones completed over 77 percent of his passes in a pro style offense in the toughest conference in the country. I see Burrow/Matt Ryan/Kirk Cousins as realistic comps.

I don't think scouts see the high ceiling of an athletic QB. He's got a above average, but not great arm. And, as you said, his athleticism is lower than you'd like. If you are going to be rather stationary, you need to have an elite arm.

 

[futballiscool]

I don't think scouts see the high ceiling of an athletic QB. He's got a above average, but not great arm. And, as you said, his athleticism is lower than you'd like. If you are going to be rather stationary, you need to have an elite arm.

It's an interesting discussion because there was an entire generation of QBs who played from the pocket that will either be in the HOF or at least garner consideration ( Brady, the Mannings, Rivers, Ryan, Brees, Warner, Roethlisberger for the second part of his career). It's possible that the game is evolving in a way that phases the pocket QB out unless they have exceptional arm strength (which I believe is your argument.) I'm not sure if that's the case. If Mac Jones does goes to the Niners it will be the ultimate test case as you have an exceptional processor with a average physical skills landing in the perfect situation (system, playcaller, supporting cast).

I don't necessarily advocate Mac Jones over Fields or vice versa but I see the argument for both of them as top picks

 

[DanBengalfan]

steve young ran the ball well, elway did as well.

it just doesn't last forever.

qbs get tackled and hit while running, so they either turn into pocket passers or they phase out.