BRING ZIM BACK AFTER VIKES FIRE HIM

[cincygrad]

How can 3 (good) games not be used as evidence, but 2 (bad) games can be?

I get it. You hate Dalton and have unconditional love for Zimmer, and nothing or no one will change your mind.

My problem is that I don't recall the Bengals putting up two lousy defensive efforts in a row under Zimmer the last few years..... They made a lot of noise about how they were going to respond to that New England beating by getting back to what they do at home. Stop the run and make the qb uncomfortable. Instead they made Cam look like a HOF player and they looked like they had never even heard of the read option.

 

[cincygrad]

You see that stat on Sunday regarding Dalton? He is snapping the ball and releasing it at an average of 2.17 seconds, best in the NFL. Now I think most of this has to do with the quick WR, TE and RB screens, but in general, I think the offense is unpredictable enough and puts Dalton in position to succeed more often than not.

I think Gruden actually helped Dalton, because Dalton can make those deeper throws now and those more clutch throws like to Wright in OT, because Gruden kept forcing him to throw down the field so often. So while Andy has his limitations regarding the down field passing, I think this offense benefits him more now because he is not so leaned on, but if we have to, Gruden gave him the tools to do it.

Anyways, I am concerned about the defense mostly with the aspect of our lack of pressure and stopping the run, but if Paul can concentrate on that, and not worry about the back end so much with our 6 1st round picks in the secondary, then this defense will get much better.

He needs to design a wide variety of blitzes and conceal them more with who is coming on any given blitz. In the meantime, work on anchoring down that defense to stop the run.

That game against NE was just ugly as hell. Carolina didn't do much successful running outside Cam, and that dude is huge, breaks tackles, can outrun DL and most LB's. When you are forced to be great at covering two aspects of a QB's ability, it will be hard. I hated seeing us get blasted by Cam, but I will give the defense a minor pass on him due to his skillset.

The NE game, that was just pathetic. So as of right now, I need to see improvement. Problem is, Andrew Luck is the same as Newton, just a much better QB. Luck will be hard as hell to contain. I am thinking right now, with no AJ, or offensive help, the defense losing more and more guys (Lamur and Maualuga) probably be replaced with Mays for Lamur and Rey for Maualuga, we shouldn't be too much worse there, but the depth is lacking.

Colts may win this one 41 to 27 is my guess in the dome.

That's what makes it so hard to understand their execution..... How many read option plays did we go crashing down on a running back named Fozzy that should be on a PS not an active roster? I get that Cam is fast -- But he's really fast when you let him get 7 yards down field before realizing he has the ball.

 

[flamingrey]

How can 3 (good) games not be used as evidence, but 2 (bad) games can be?

I get it. You hate Dalton and have unconditional love for Zimmer, and nothing or no one will change your mind.

1) 3 good games compared to 6 seasons of consistently good defense is not enough to anoint PG as good as Zimmer.

2) 2 bad games out of 5 possible games is a cause for concern.

Please tell me which of those 2 statements you disagree with it.

 

[alf8478]

1) 3 good games compared to 6 seasons of consistently good defense is not enough to anoint PG as good as Zimmer.

2) 2 bad games out of 5 possible games is a cause for concern.

Please tell me which of those 2 statements you disagree with it.

Both.

Neither are enough information to make him a good or bad coordinator.

 

[flamingrey]

Both.

Neither are enough information to make him a good or bad coordinator.

Neither statement means he's a good or bad coordinator either.

And I mentioned as such anyhow in my original post:

"That's not to say the Bengals have a bad defense or that PG is a bad DC, but it's a flawed argument."

But you disagreeing with those common sense statements either means you just don't get it or you realize how silly your little diatribe was and can't admit it (it's okay, I forgive you).

3 games can never compare to 6 seasons. And 40% of the games with a horrible defensive showing is always worrisome.

 

[DanBengalfan]

wouldn't crown guenther yet either. he's basically a fill-in guy who got promoted from being a line-backers coach, considering that our Head Coach is the primary defensive mind to start with the Bengals probably think we don't really need a strong defensive mind at DC.

 

[CrashDavisSports]

Neither statement means he's a good or bad coordinator either.

And I mentioned as such anyhow in my original post:

"That's not to say the Bengals have a bad defense or that PG is a bad DC, but it's a flawed argument."

But you disagreeing with those common sense statements either means you just don't get it or you realize how silly your little diatribe was and can't admit it (it's okay, I forgive you).

3 games can never compare to 6 seasons. And 40% of the games with a horrible defensive showing is always worrisome.

You just have to be a combative ass don't you? You are both agreeing with each other and you are the one that has to make everything out as if you are right, he is wrong, and to hell with anyone else. YOU ARE AGREEING WITH HIM YOU IDIOT! Quit being a dick.

 

[DanBengalfan]

a twitters gotta tweet

 

[alf8478]

I didn't realize I was having a diatribe

 

[flamingrey]

You just have to be a combative ass don't you? You are both agreeing with each other and you are the one that has to make everything out as if you are right, he is wrong, and to hell with anyone else. YOU ARE AGREEING WITH HIM YOU IDIOT! Quit being a dick.

Hypocrite.

http://www.sportshoopla.com/forums/5708106-post36.html

http://www.sportshoopla.com/forums/5714503-post59.html

http://www.sportshoopla.com/forums/5714467-post58.html

I asked "which of those 2 statements you disagree with it". He replied, "Both." You can't really be that dense, can you?

 

[alf8478]

I never said anything about Guenther being good or bad. My whole point was that you're all crying over the loss of Zimmer like when he was here the defense was the 85 Bears or 00 Ravens or 13 Seahawks. The defense was good, but by no means were they dominant.
I believe that if Zimmer was still here, the team would still be 3-1-1.
If anyone wants to believe otherwise that's fine. Its a hypothetical argument anyway.

 

[CrashDavisSports]

Hypocrite.

http://www.sportshoopla.com/forums/5708106-post36.html

http://www.sportshoopla.com/forums/5714503-post59.html

http://www.sportshoopla.com/forums/5714467-post58.html

I asked "which of those 2 statements you disagree with it". He replied, "Both." You can't really be that dense, can you?

You asked which of those two statements he agreed with, and he said neither as he has no opinion on Gunther yet as there is not of a sample size to determine that yet, which is true.

The last two weeks have been miserable, you are right. However, since we can't see what Zimmer would have done as it is impossible, all we can go on is what Gunther has done, and so far, it has been 5 games. 2 good, 1 okay, two bad. Too small of a sample size to determine that yet.

You two are basically agreeing, unless you are stating Gunther is complete crap. Because Alf never said Gunther was good or bad, and never said Zimmer wasn't good. So the only way this is an argument is if you are stating Gunther is crap. Is that the case?

 

[cincygrad]

I never said anything about Guenther being good or bad. My whole point was that you're all crying over the loss of Zimmer like when he was here the defense was the 85 Bears or 00 Ravens or 13 Seahawks. The defense was good, but by no means were they dominant.
I believe that if Zimmer was still here, the team would still be 3-1-1.
If anyone wants to believe otherwise that's fine. Its a hypothetical argument anyway.

Obviously a hypothetical argument, but I think we don't give up 37 to Cam and the Panthers if Zim is d-coordinator.

 

[bengaldoug]

We have learned a couple of things about our great start. 1) The Titans are horrible 2) Atlanta is not nearly as good as we thought, and has oline problems that were already developing when they came here. The only legitimate defensive performance was the opener in Baltimore, and in that game they gave up a lot of yards late, lost the lead, and had to be rescued late by the offense. Now the New England game can be explained by the fact that they just ran into a buzzsaw at the worst possible moment. The Carolina game, however, bothers me. Under Zim, as grad said, I don't remember two bad games in a row, especially if the second one was at home. They aren't playing with the same discipline they did before this year, and they aren't taking care of their own job and relying on the other guy to do his. Let's see what Guenther can come up with this week in a big game on the road against a superior quarterback and offense. It will be interesting to be sure.

 

[cincygrad]

Yeah, I got over the NE game fairly quickly..... I really don't think anyone was winning there that night. I think Denver and Seattle would have had their doors blown off. I can't take much away from that game.

The Carolina game is the one that sticks out to me as well...... Now if we come back this week and play ball I'll have to reconsider it and perhaps admit that it's an overreaction. But right now I'm seeing it as a bad sign for things to come the rest of the season.

 

[flamingrey]

You asked which of those two statements he agreed with, and he said neither as he has no opinion on Gunther yet as there is not of a sample size to determine that yet, which is true.

The last two weeks have been miserable, you are right. However, since we can't see what Zimmer would have done as it is impossible, all we can go on is what Gunther has done, and so far, it has been 5 games. 2 good, 1 okay, two bad. Too small of a sample size to determine that yet.

You two are basically agreeing, unless you are stating Gunther is complete crap. Because Alf never said Gunther was good or bad, and never said Zimmer wasn't good. So the only way this is an argument is if you are stating Gunther is crap. Is that the case?

Wrong again. I said DISAGREED.

 

[CrashDavisSports]

Wrong again. I said DISAGREED.

Whatever, it is semantics, as regardless of whether you said agreed or disagreed, the answer remained the same....he didn't agree or disagree with either as the sample size is too small.

You sir are

 

[flamingrey]

Whatever, it is semantics, as regardless of whether you said agreed or disagreed, the answer remained the same....he didn't agree or disagree with either as the sample size is too small.

You sir are

He said "both". As in he disagreed with "both" questions. How is that semantics?

(I forgive you too.)

 

[CrashDavisSports]

He said "both". As in he disagreed with "both" questions. How is that semantics?

(I forgive you too.)

I don't want your forgiveness. I would rather walk in front of a train before having your forgiveness.

The way I took it, he was not going to agree or disagree with one or the other because there was too small of a sample size to make a determination either way.

 

[DanBengalfan]

how's this for semantics.

are you going to walk in front of a parked train, or a moving train?
because it's just not the same thing.

my brain is so mixed up reading this I don't even know what your arguing about, lol. getting old here.