Bird V Lebron @ age 30

[ChrisGar15]

And yet, he's retiring a Laker. Go figure. I guess he wanted the FO to do something, just like he and the Lakers said.

Sean Highkin ✔ ‎@highkin

Kobe on 2004 free agency and 2007 trade demand: “My wife and I were planning travel arrangements for Chicago. Looking at schools and homes."

 

[trojanfan12]

Sean Highkin ✔ ‎@highkin

Kobe on 2004 free agency and 2007 trade demand: “My wife and I were planning travel arrangements for Chicago. Looking at schools and homes."

And yet, he's retiring a Laker. Go figure. I guess he was trying to get the FO to do something. Just like he and the Lakers said.

You can bring up all of the old quotes from back when all of that was going on and it doesn't change the fact that he's retiring a Laker. Once he issued the ultimatums, it would have been stupid for him to not start making preparations in case the Lakers didn't respond.

 

[tlance]

Actually, it's not speculation at all, both Kobe and the Lakers said as much. Don't get me wrong, if management hadn't done something, Kobe would have either forced a trade or left via FA, but his reason for demanding the trade was to get the FO to get busy.

Also, I never claimed their situations were similar. However, Lebron should have either stood by what he said, or he shouldn't have said it. You act like Kobe demanding a trade is somehow as bad or worse than Lebron leaving. The difference is, Kobe actually gave the Lakers a chance to do something. Lebron just left.

And before you claim that Lebron gave Cleveland every chance before he hit FA, the Cavs did try to improve the roster every year and all of the moves were approved of and even suggested by Lebron. But instead of sticking around to try and fix the situation he helped create, he just bailed.

There is nothing wrong with Kobe asking for a trade, whatever his reasons were, and there was nothing wrong with LeBron leaving Cleveland. The issue was In how he did it.

 

[trojanfan12]

There is nothing wrong with Kobe asking for a trade, whatever his reasons were, and there was nothing wrong with LeBron leaving Cleveland. The issue was In how he did it.

I never said Lebron leaving was wrong in the sense that he was an FA and had earned the right to go wherever he wanted. What was wrong was that he made a promise to Cavs fans that he didn't honor, helped to create the situation the team was in and then bailed on them. So yeah, ultimately, we agree on this.

I would be just as critical of Kobe if he had said the things Lebron did and then left. I've never been much of a Kobe fan anyway. Back when the Shaq/Kobe stuff was going on, I was on team "Keep Shaq." Fortunately, Dr. Buss was smarter than I am.

 

[GNG]

I loved Larry and all he and the others did for Boston but the game has changed.
Like foot ball & baseball.

Yes the NBA has changed but not for the better in my opinion.

 

[trojanfan12]

Yes the NBA has changed but not for the better in my opinion.

Yeah, just because something changes, doesn't mean that's a good thing. The game changed from the 80's to the 90's, but not in a good way. It's changed again to where it's better than what we saw in the 90's, but not as good as what we saw in the 80's as far as style of play, imo.

 

[Wamu]

Then why leave in the first place? It could be as simple as he found himself an easier path to a title and really didn't care as much about Cleveland as he claimed. Although I'm sure Lebroniacs don't wanna hear (or believe) that.

I'm not a Cavs fan. Go call an actual Cavs fan a Lebroniac instead. And I really don't care why he left in the first place or that he even returned for that matter.

 

[trojanfan12]

I'm not a Cavs fan. Go call an actual Cavs fan a Lebroniac instead. And I really don't care why he left in the first place or that he even returned for that matter.

Didn't call you a Lebroniac, I referred to Lebrobniacs. I know you're one of them bastid Celtics fans.

 

[Wamu]

Didn't call you a Lebroniac, I referred to Lebrobniacs. I know you're one of them bastid Celtics fans.

Good deal. Wow the Warriors are really having a decent season huh?

 

[trojanfan12]

Good deal. Wow the Warriors are really having a decent season huh?

They and Curry are just ridiculous.

 

[Wamu]

They and Curry are just ridiculous.

No doubt about that. They're fun to watch as well.

 

[Shaqdaddy11]

I know you're one of them bastid Celtics fans.

Ewwww

 

[UK Cowboy]

LOL. Physically weaker? No. The rules have changed. Players are more athletic than ever before. There was nobody like LeBron in the 90s.

Lebron would still be great, but like anyone else playing those rules, he'd have to play a different game. I've always thought LeBron had a more similar too(but not quite as good as) Magic than MJ.

 

[tlance]

Lebron would still be great, but like anyone else playing those rules, he'd have to play a different game. I've always thought LeBron had a more similar too(but not quite as good as) Magic than MJ.

I agree he is much more similar to Magic.

As for the comparison, that is harder. Magic had better intangibles than LeBron, but LeBron is a far superior athlete. I think they are very close as far as where they should be ranked all time. Some will pick LeBron, some will take Magic.

 

[trojanfan12]

I agree he is much more similar to Magic.

As for the comparison, that is harder. Magic had better intangibles than LeBron, but LeBron is a far superior athlete. I think they are very close as far as where they should be ranked all time. Some will pick LeBron, some will take Magic.

Yeah, I've said all along that Lebron is a faster, stronger Magic. If Lebron had Magic's intangibles, he'd have at least 2 more rings, imo.