belachick as good as guy lombardo (60's packers coach) ?

[The Derski]

Wut

 

[realityball]

Not even close!! How long has it taken ill to get 5 championships and then compare that to Lombardi. Lombardi was like 5 championships in 7 years and what is Bill like 15 to 20 years to get 5?

Lombardi inherited a team with a dozen All-Americans in a league with, what, 6 teams?

 

[Montalban]

Niners played in a crappy division just like the Pats. Walsh was great. Belichick has a better body of work at a tougher time.

Bellichick is a fine coach who covers every detail but to say this is a tougher time than the 8os and early 90s is laughable.
Walsh revolutionized the game. Bellichick covers everything and he has been caught cheating at least twice. Not that I hold that against him; the great Leo Durocher said "If you ain't cheatin' you ain't tryin'"

 

[PolarVortex]

Feelings still hurt - check
hating to hate - check
Mission complete

Brady is probably a top 12-15 QB. Dont know why you would be so butthurt about that. Pretty damn high praise considering how many QBs have played in the NFL.

 

[Scooby-Doo]

Bellichick is a fine coach who covers every detail but to say this is a tougher time than the 8os and early 90s is laughable.
Walsh revolutionized the game. Bellichick covers everything and he has been caught cheating at least twice. Not that I hold that against him; the great Leo Durocher said "If you ain't cheatin' you ain't tryin'"

It is a tougher Tim. That can’t be argued

 

[TP76]

Different eras... highly subjective. Paul Brown is the GOAT in my book (again, highly subjective)

 

[LambeauLegs]

Lombardi inherited a team with a dozen All-Americans in a league with, what, 6 teams?

Maybe you should check things out before you post:

Lombardi started coaching GB in 1959. The Packers sucked in the 1950's Cleveland Browns bad:

The 1958 Packers > The 1958 Green Bay Packers season was their 40th season overall and their 38th season in the National Football League. The club posted a 1–10–1 record under first-year head coach Ray McLean for a last-place finish in the league in 1958 and the worst record ever posted by a Packers team.

The team sucked so they hired a new coach and in cam Lombardi. If he inherited a team with a dozen All-Americans they would not have been 1-10-1. And there record in the 1950's would have been better than 32-74 over those 10 years.

Lombardi started building his team with his great management skills as he was hired after the draft before the first year he started. His quarterback Bart Starr was drafted in the 17th round in 1956 three years before Lombardi got there and he was not the starter. Lombardi developed a 17th round QB into one of the best ever. Bill had some guy way up in the 6th round of the draft so much better quality and it still took him 15 to 20 years to win 5 championships.

1959 Green Bay Packers season - Wikipedia

The 1959 Green Bay Packers season was their 41st season overall and their 39th season in the National Football League and 41st overall. The club posted a 7–5 record in the 1959 season under first-year coach Vince Lombardi to earn a third-place finish in the Western Conference.

It was the Packers' first winning season in a dozen years, the last was a 6–5–1 mark in 1947. Green Bay had just one victory during the previous season in 1958 with the worst record in the 12-team league, and were 3–9 in 1957, tied for worst.

On February 4, 1959, Vince Lombardi seized his opportunity and began building his football dynasty in Green Bay. He arrived after both phases of the draft (December 1 and January 21),[1][2][3] and started by trading away the Packers' best receiver of the decade, Billy Howton, to the Cleveland Browns. To bring some much-needed leadership to the defensive backfield, Lombardi obtained future Hall of Famer Emlen Tunnell from the New York Giants. He also acquired Fuzzy Thurston from the Baltimore Colts and defensive tackle Henry Jordan from Cleveland by the start of training camp. In all, 16 veterans from the previous season were sent packing as Lombardi installed a new attitude in the Packers' locker room.

Training camp[edit]
Lombardi borrowed from the Giants model — the players had to feel like champions. The team traveled first class under the philosophy that "you can't be a winner unless you feel like one." The change in culture was pronounced. Lombardi had to find a quarterback, and he was resistant to making Bart Starr the quarterback. Starr was in his fourth year in the league and hadn't won a game in which he'd played four quarters. "Did Bart tell you how bad he was?" a player was to later quip to biographer John Eisenberg. Former Razorback Lamar McHan beat out Starr, while veteran Babe Parilli was cut in mid-September, along with rookie running back Alex Hawkins, the thirteenth overall selection in the 1959 NFL Draft.[4]

Master plan[edit]
Through his now legendary coaching style, Lombardi whipped the underachieving Packers into instant winners. He set his plan immediately into action at his very first team meeting. "I have never been on a losing team, gentlemen, and I do not intend to start now!"

Dramatic improvement[edit]
The results of Lombardi's approach were dramatic. In the season opener against the Chicago Bears, the Packers held on to win 9–6 and celebrated the victory by carrying their new head coach off the field. In his first year on the sidelines, the Packers posted their first winning record since 1947. The team's quick turnaround netted Lombardi unanimous honors as NFL coach of the year

 

[Scooby-Doo]

Different eras... highly subjective. Paul Brown is the GOAT in my book (again, highly subjective)

It is different eras, but it is much more difficult to sustain greatness in the salary cap era. BB has maintained an elite team for almost 2 decades. That is unheard of during any NFL era.

 

[Scooby-Doo]

Maybe you should check things out before you post:

Lombardi started coaching GB in 1959. The Packers sucked in the 1950's Cleveland Browns bad:

The 1958 Packers > The 1958 Green Bay Packers season was their 40th season overall and their 38th season in the National Football League. The club posted a 1–10–1 record under first-year head coach Ray McLean for a last-place finish in the league in 1958 and the worst record ever posted by a Packers team.

The team sucked so they hired a new coach and in cam Lombardi. If he inherited a team with a dozen All-Americans they would not have been 1-10-1. And there record in the 1950's would have been better than 32-74 over those 10 years.

Lombardi started building his team with his great management skills as he was hired after the draft before the first year he started. His quarterback Bart Starr was drafted in the 17th round in 1956 three years before Lombardi got there and he was not the starter. Lombardi developed a 17th round QB into one of the best ever. Bill had some guy way up in the 6th round of the draft so much better quality and it still took him 15 to 20 years to win 5 championships.

1959 Green Bay Packers season - Wikipedia

The 1959 Green Bay Packers season was their 41st season overall and their 39th season in the National Football League and 41st overall. The club posted a 7–5 record in the 1959 season under first-year coach Vince Lombardi to earn a third-place finish in the Western Conference.

It was the Packers' first winning season in a dozen years, the last was a 6–5–1 mark in 1947. Green Bay had just one victory during the previous season in 1958 with the worst record in the 12-team league, and were 3–9 in 1957, tied for worst.

On February 4, 1959, Vince Lombardi seized his opportunity and began building his football dynasty in Green Bay. He arrived after both phases of the draft (December 1 and January 21),[1][2][3] and started by trading away the Packers' best receiver of the decade, Billy Howton, to the Cleveland Browns. To bring some much-needed leadership to the defensive backfield, Lombardi obtained future Hall of Famer Emlen Tunnell from the New York Giants. He also acquired Fuzzy Thurston from the Baltimore Colts and defensive tackle Henry Jordan from Cleveland by the start of training camp. In all, 16 veterans from the previous season were sent packing as Lombardi installed a new attitude in the Packers' locker room.

Training camp[edit]
Lombardi borrowed from the Giants model — the players had to feel like champions. The team traveled first class under the philosophy that "you can't be a winner unless you feel like one." The change in culture was pronounced. Lombardi had to find a quarterback, and he was resistant to making Bart Starr the quarterback. Starr was in his fourth year in the league and hadn't won a game in which he'd played four quarters. "Did Bart tell you how bad he was?" a player was to later quip to biographer John Eisenberg. Former Razorback Lamar McHan beat out Starr, while veteran Babe Parilli was cut in mid-September, along with rookie running back Alex Hawkins, the thirteenth overall selection in the 1959 NFL Draft.[4]

Master plan[edit]
Through his now legendary coaching style, Lombardi whipped the underachieving Packers into instant winners. He set his plan immediately into action at his very first team meeting. "I have never been on a losing team, gentlemen, and I do not intend to start now!"

Dramatic improvement[edit]
The results of Lombardi's approach were dramatic. In the season opener against the Chicago Bears, the Packers held on to win 9–6 and celebrated the victory by carrying their new head coach off the field. In his first year on the sidelines, the Packers posted their first winning record since 1947. The team's quick turnaround netted Lombardi unanimous honors as NFL coach of the year

Who taught you how to cut and paste from Wikipedia?

 

[dbldwn711]

Maybe you should check things out before you post:

Lombardi started coaching GB in 1959. The Packers sucked in the 1950's Cleveland Browns bad:

The 1958 Packers > The 1958 Green Bay Packers season was their 40th season overall and their 38th season in the National Football League. The club posted a 1–10–1 record under first-year head coach Ray McLean for a last-place finish in the league in 1958 and the worst record ever posted by a Packers team.

The team sucked so they hired a new coach and in cam Lombardi. If he inherited a team with a dozen All-Americans they would not have been 1-10-1. And there record in the 1950's would have been better than 32-74 over those 10 years.

Lombardi started building his team with his great management skills as he was hired after the draft before the first year he started. His quarterback Bart Starr was drafted in the 17th round in 1956 three years before Lombardi got there and he was not the starter. Lombardi developed a 17th round QB into one of the best ever. Bill had some guy way up in the 6th round of the draft so much better quality and it still took him 15 to 20 years to win 5 championships.

1959 Green Bay Packers season - Wikipedia

The 1959 Green Bay Packers season was their 41st season overall and their 39th season in the National Football League and 41st overall. The club posted a 7–5 record in the 1959 season under first-year coach Vince Lombardi to earn a third-place finish in the Western Conference.

It was the Packers' first winning season in a dozen years, the last was a 6–5–1 mark in 1947. Green Bay had just one victory during the previous season in 1958 with the worst record in the 12-team league, and were 3–9 in 1957, tied for worst.

On February 4, 1959, Vince Lombardi seized his opportunity and began building his football dynasty in Green Bay. He arrived after both phases of the draft (December 1 and January 21),[1][2][3] and started by trading away the Packers' best receiver of the decade, Billy Howton, to the Cleveland Browns. To bring some much-needed leadership to the defensive backfield, Lombardi obtained future Hall of Famer Emlen Tunnell from the New York Giants. He also acquired Fuzzy Thurston from the Baltimore Colts and defensive tackle Henry Jordan from Cleveland by the start of training camp. In all, 16 veterans from the previous season were sent packing as Lombardi installed a new attitude in the Packers' locker room.

Training camp[edit]
Lombardi borrowed from the Giants model — the players had to feel like champions. The team traveled first class under the philosophy that "you can't be a winner unless you feel like one." The change in culture was pronounced. Lombardi had to find a quarterback, and he was resistant to making Bart Starr the quarterback. Starr was in his fourth year in the league and hadn't won a game in which he'd played four quarters. "Did Bart tell you how bad he was?" a player was to later quip to biographer John Eisenberg. Former Razorback Lamar McHan beat out Starr, while veteran Babe Parilli was cut in mid-September, along with rookie running back Alex Hawkins, the thirteenth overall selection in the 1959 NFL Draft.[4]

Master plan[edit]
Through his now legendary coaching style, Lombardi whipped the underachieving Packers into instant winners. He set his plan immediately into action at his very first team meeting. "I have never been on a losing team, gentlemen, and I do not intend to start now!"

Dramatic improvement[edit]
The results of Lombardi's approach were dramatic. In the season opener against the Chicago Bears, the Packers held on to win 9–6 and celebrated the victory by carrying their new head coach off the field. In his first year on the sidelines, the Packers posted their first winning record since 1947. The team's quick turnaround netted Lombardi unanimous honors as NFL coach of the year

Don’t do that EVER again. Ok?

 

[realityball]

Maybe you should check things out before you post:

Lombardi started coaching GB in 1959. The Packers sucked in the 1950's Cleveland Browns bad:

The 1958 Packers > The 1958 Green Bay Packers season was their 40th season overall and their 38th season in the National Football League. The club posted a 1–10–1 record under first-year head coach Ray McLean for a last-place finish in the league in 1958 and the worst record ever posted by a Packers team.

The team sucked so they hired a new coach and in cam Lombardi. If he inherited a team with a dozen All-Americans they would not have been 1-10-1. And there record in the 1950's would have been better than 32-74 over those 10 years.

Lombardi started building his team with his great management skills as he was hired after the draft before the first year he started. His quarterback Bart Starr was drafted in the 17th round in 1956 three years before Lombardi got there and he was not the starter. Lombardi developed a 17th round QB into one of the best ever. Bill had some guy way up in the 6th round of the draft so much better quality and it still took him 15 to 20 years to win 5 championships.

1959 Green Bay Packers season - Wikipedia

The 1959 Green Bay Packers season was their 41st season overall and their 39th season in the National Football League and 41st overall. The club posted a 7–5 record in the 1959 season under first-year coach Vince Lombardi to earn a third-place finish in the Western Conference.

It was the Packers' first winning season in a dozen years, the last was a 6–5–1 mark in 1947. Green Bay had just one victory during the previous season in 1958 with the worst record in the 12-team league, and were 3–9 in 1957, tied for worst.

On February 4, 1959, Vince Lombardi seized his opportunity and began building his football dynasty in Green Bay. He arrived after both phases of the draft (December 1 and January 21),[1][2][3] and started by trading away the Packers' best receiver of the decade, Billy Howton, to the Cleveland Browns. To bring some much-needed leadership to the defensive backfield, Lombardi obtained future Hall of Famer Emlen Tunnell from the New York Giants. He also acquired Fuzzy Thurston from the Baltimore Colts and defensive tackle Henry Jordan from Cleveland by the start of training camp. In all, 16 veterans from the previous season were sent packing as Lombardi installed a new attitude in the Packers' locker room.

Training camp[edit]
Lombardi borrowed from the Giants model — the players had to feel like champions. The team traveled first class under the philosophy that "you can't be a winner unless you feel like one." The change in culture was pronounced. Lombardi had to find a quarterback, and he was resistant to making Bart Starr the quarterback. Starr was in his fourth year in the league and hadn't won a game in which he'd played four quarters. "Did Bart tell you how bad he was?" a player was to later quip to biographer John Eisenberg. Former Razorback Lamar McHan beat out Starr, while veteran Babe Parilli was cut in mid-September, along with rookie running back Alex Hawkins, the thirteenth overall selection in the 1959 NFL Draft.[4]

Master plan[edit]
Through his now legendary coaching style, Lombardi whipped the underachieving Packers into instant winners. He set his plan immediately into action at his very first team meeting. "I have never been on a losing team, gentlemen, and I do not intend to start now!"

Dramatic improvement[edit]
The results of Lombardi's approach were dramatic. In the season opener against the Chicago Bears, the Packers held on to win 9–6 and celebrated the victory by carrying their new head coach off the field. In his first year on the sidelines, the Packers posted their first winning record since 1947. The team's quick turnaround netted Lombardi unanimous honors as NFL coach of the year

... you missed the part where I said he inherited a team of assets of value already in place

the fact that the previous GB staff sucked illustrates the ineptitude of the competition at the time ...

 

[fordman84]

Yeah I ain't buying it....

@fordman84 needs to get in here and sniff this one...

all clean

 

[Rex Racer]

Mmmm.....and how many losses not including his inexplicable failure last year when he cost his team the win because of a silly personal grudge? Anyway, I believe he only has 8, not 9.
Bellichick is an excellent coach if not a bit of a dick. Walsh was an innovator. He created the game as its played today; at least offensively.
I also believe you have to look at the teams the 49ers played in those days; some of the finest teams ever assembled like the Bears, The Redskins, The Giants and the Cowboys. Those teams were far more dominant than anyone the Pats have had to contend with.

 

[Rex Racer]

Bellichick is a fine coach who covers every detail but to say this is a tougher time than the 8os and early 90s is laughable.
Walsh revolutionized the game. Bellichick covers everything and he has been caught cheating at least twice. Not that I hold that against him; the great Leo Durocher said "If you ain't cheatin' you ain't tryin'"

Walsh didn't revolutionize anything, he did what he learned from the great Paul Brown. Walsh also didn't have to deal with the salary cap, constant roster turnover, coached in a cupcake division and only made it to 4 SBs with the 2nd best QB of the modern era and a roster loaded with All-pro talent.

Belichick > Walsh.

 

[Rex Racer]

Lombardi was a great coach in an era when there was literally no player movement and maybe a dozen other mediocre teams in the NFL.

Walsh coached in an era that had no salary cap in a division that was a pile of warm puppy poo and still only made it to 4 SBs.

Belichick has 5 SB rings as a HC, 2 more as DC and has built and rebuilt the Patriots while maintaining an unprecedented level of success for 18 years. He did this while having to deal with the salary cap and constant roster turnover.

 

[Montalban]

It is a tougher Tim. That can’t be argued

It shouldn't be argued I agree, because its ridiculous.

 

[Montalban]

Walsh didn't revolutionize anything, he did what he learned from the great Paul Brown. Walsh also didn't have to deal with the salary cap, constant roster turnover, coached in a cupcake division and only made it to 4 SBs with the 2nd best QB of the modern era and a roster loaded with All-pro talent.

Belichick > Walsh.

LOL! I can't even comment on the absurdity of the rest of your post.

 

[LetsGoPats]

Brady is probably a top 12-15 QB. Dont know why you would be so butthurt about that. Pretty damn high praise considering how many QBs have played in the NFL.

You sound stupid, dude.

 

[TP76]

LOL! I can't even comment on the absurdity of the rest of your post.

Walsh refined Paul Brown's Cincy offense, rebranded as the West Coast Offense... often taking credit for it when it was not his invention.

 

[GNG]

is patriots coach as great of a coach as packers great coach of the 60's guy lombardo ? thanks

I remember Guy Lombardo as an orchestra leader.