POLL B1G Championship Game Ohio State vs Wisconsin

[Across The Field]

I can’t tell if this is sarcastic or not? O’Korn literally missed wide open receivers 6-8 times in the game. Multiple times on 3rd or 4th down and then his final throw was 20 yards from the nearest UM player.

Well that's being sarcastic, but alright - So you think Peters would've no question hit all of those? You also think a teenager is going to maintain his calm against arguably the best DL in the nation all game? Give me a break.

 

[SlinkyRedfoot]

And that means what exactly? JT Barrett only plays good against okay teams?

It means just as much as the results of the Oklahoma game in this context. which is very little.

 

[Yo Tee]

I said if he doesn’t play, Ohio St wins. Chew said the same

Aah gotcha. Read that wrong. That's my bad. That's my bad.

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

Well that's being sarcastic, but alright - So you think Peters would've no question hit all of those? You also think a teenager is going to maintain his calm against arguably the best DL in the nation all game? Give me a break.

I sometimes think you watch a different game than everyone else. Would you like me to list video of each wide open receiver O’Korn missed? He missed at least a half dozen easy throws on wide open receivers, none more glaring on the 4th and 4 from OSU 39 to Chris Evans.

And while you have a quality DL — we had more time to throw the ball this game than most of our games, which made the missed throws even more frustrating.

 

[BigAppleBadger]

OSU plays at a different speed than any team they have faced this year.

UM/Wisconsin was 14-10 (with 7 points being a punt return) when Brandon Peters left the game. UM looked defeated once O’Korn came in and our offense was horrendous. (Not that it was a high flying offense with Peters) Once UM’s offense fell completely apart and I think gained 1 first down with O’Korn at QB — Wisconsin just wore us down on the ground — they had the ball like 15 of the last 20 minutes in the game. I will say Taylor is a heck of a back though.

I think Wisconsin is a very good team, but unless they win the turnover battle or their defense scores for them — I don’t see them being able to keep pace with OSU. That is just my opinion from playing both teams.

I think that you (and other Michigan fans) are really overstating the impact of Peters leaving the game. Wisconsin has been a second half team all season. They've been down at the half, but never at the end of the 3rd quarter. Every game the defense gets stronger and the offense gets better as the game goes on.

I'm sure losing Peters hurt somewhat, but I would also have felt very good as a Wisconsin fan with a 4 point lead half way through the 3rd quarter, knowing how the Badgers have performed in the last 20 minutes of game time this season.

 

[Across The Field]

I sometimes think you watch a different game than everyone else. Would you like me to list video of each wide open receiver O’Korn missed? He missed at least a half dozen easy throws on wide open receivers, none more glaring on the 4th and 4 from OSU 39 to Chris Evans.

And while you have a quality DL — we had more time to throw the ball this game than most of our games, which made the missed throws even more frustrating.

Watched it from start to finish. There were some missed throws, sure. However he also made some big throws for you, too. I think you're trying to pump Peters up as something he's not, assuming he'd of made all the throw O'Korn made and also made all the ones he didn't. He would've been a kid facing this defense, and if I were to bet, he would've played even worse. Given the fact that we had 5 sacks, I'm not sure where you're saying you had more time. I'd also argue O'Korn is more athletic than Peters, so who knows how many more sacks we'd of had with Peters standing in there..

 

[navamind]

Wisconsin has the best statistical defense, but what you are saying is correct. However, those rankings for the teams they played are also skewed by their performance against Wisconsin.

I don't think that really skews their opponents stats all that much. Illinois only had one game with 20+ points in conference play and that was against Rutgers. They completed fewer than 50% of their passes, turned it over 26 times and ran for 3.3 YPC on the season. They were awful. BYU was getting terrible QB play all year long. Minnesota's offense has been pretty lousy most of the year and they probably got worse after switching to Kroft.

They held Michigan's running game (8th in rushing S&P+, 4.5 YPC) to under 2 YPC (including sacks).

 

[Across The Field]

I think that you (and other Michigan fans) are really overstating the impact of Peters leaving the game. Wisconsin has been a second half team all season. They've been down at the half, but never at the end of the 3rd quarter. Every game the defense gets stronger and the offense gets better as the game goes on.

I'm sure losing Peters hurt somewhat, but I would also have felt very good as a Wisconsin fan with a 4 point lead half way through the 3rd quarter, knowing how the Badgers have performed in the last 20 minutes of game time this season.

He's definitely trying to overstate Peters' impact. This kid might end up being decent, but having decent games against the likes of Rutgers, Maryland, and Minnesota isn't too great of a sample size.

 

[Great Dayne]

I think that you (and other Michigan fans) are really overstating the impact of Peters leaving the game. Wisconsin has been a second half team all season. They've been down at the half, but never at the end of the 3rd quarter. Every game the defense gets stronger and the offense gets better as the game goes on.

I'm sure losing Peters hurt somewhat, but I would also have felt very good as a Wisconsin fan with a 4 point lead half way through the 3rd quarter, knowing how the Badgers have performed in the last 20 minutes of game time this season.

Yep Badgers are the best second half team in the nation by a mile (S & P stats). They basically play rope a dope in the first half just testing their opponent to see how they react and then in the second half they make their adjustments and destroy their opponent. Just like Mayweather did to MGcregor. He made it look close in the first few rounds to test his opponent and then destroyed him.

 

[Great Dayne]

Badgers defense has allowed 10 ppg if you take away the points allowed by the pick sixes from the QB (Iowa and Nebraska game). They've allowed 8 ppg if you take away the points the second stringers allowed in the 4th Q when the games were essentially over (Northwestern and Illinois game) and they've allowed 6.5 ppg if you take away all the turnovers that were within the Badgers own redzone.

After seeing this OSU team vs Oklahoma, get destroyed by Iowa and down 20-14 vs Okornhole and Michigan with JT Barrett playing an the refs giving them every call I see no possible way they even come close to the Badgers in this game. Even if Hornytoad gives them 2 free pick 6's I would still feel confident like I was vs Iowa. Hell, even the refs giving them every call won't help. OSU's charmin soft defense is a joke.

All their fans or any pundit can do to justify OSU winning is bring up the game 3 years ago when the Badgers had a different core team and coach, their "much more talented 5* recruits, or the vegas line). All of that is irrelevant to this game. What I see is a team in OSU that beats up the cup cakes by a good margin but struggles vs the tougher competition. I have no doubt in my mind that if Peters was the starting QB and JT stays healthy the entire game and it's an equally called game Michigan would win that game. Hell, I think Michigan was a tougher opponent than OSU.

@Across The Field time to finalize the Avi bet. It doesn't matter who your QB or how many calls the refs give you it won't be enough. If JT doesn't go it might be closer but still won't matter as the Badgers will take your soul. Our defense will make your offense look like Minnesota did vs us.

 

[wingsauce7]

Two words (or such): Iowa 55-24

Go Becky!

 

[Great Dayne]

Two words (or such): Iowa 55-24

Go Becky!

One word, 4 digits and a hyphen. OSU fans don't count that game and they burned the tape.

 

[Tharvot]

Should be a great game. As always with Wisconsin, if Ohio State is unable to get them out of their comfort zone, it will be a very difficult game to win.

Essentially, that means forcing Wisky to pass the ball downfield. The Buckeyes can do that by going up a few scores early or stuffing the run on early downs. If Wisky is able to get 3+ yards on first and second down on the ground, it's going to be very difficult to consistently stop them on 3rd.

 

[osubuckeye89]

Our ability to cover TEs worries me in this game. Hornibrook is meh but he isnt going to miss them if they are wide open all day like Michigan's were (Korn Kob is awful)

 

[kburjr]

Our ability to cover TEs worries me in this game. Hornibrook is meh but he isnt going to miss them if they are wide open all day like Michigan's were (Korn Kob is awful)

Agreed. Fumagalli is the wild card. If Hornibrook can find him 6-7 times, it will cause a safety to be assigned and open up the run game for us.

 

[wingsauce7]

One word, 4 digits and a hyphen. OSU fans don't count that game and they burned the tape.

Just like that overrated Oklahoma team doesn't count the Iowa St game anymore.

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

Watched it from start to finish. There were some missed throws, sure. However he also made some big throws for you, too. I think you're trying to pump Peters up as something he's not, assuming he'd of made all the throw O'Korn made and also made all the ones he didn't. He would've been a kid facing this defense, and if I were to bet, he would've played even worse. Given the fact that we had 5 sacks, I'm not sure where you're saying you had more time. I'd also argue O'Korn is more athletic than Peters, so who knows how many more sacks we'd of had with Peters standing in there..

If you watched the game — You’d know that 4 of the 5 sacks were coverage sacks and even the announcers called out O’Korn multiple times for not throwing the ball away as he was outside the pocket.

In all honesty, I thought OSU was going to destroy UM’s OL, but we had more time to throw in that game than the majority of our games. UM ranks 112th in CFB for sacks allowed. I expected O’Korn to have zero time to throw and it was the complete opposite. The coverage sacks don’t surprise me though — UM’s WRs have struggled all year.

You want to argue O’Korn is more athletic? The fastest QB on our team. Peters. The highest vertical. Peters. The broad Jump. Peters. 3 cone drill. Peters. Strongest arm. Peters. Strongest QB. Speight.

UM does a mini type combine — Peters swept everything but either bench or squats?

The other thing about Peters — he is much more decisive with the ball. He goes thru his progression and gets rid of the ball. His biggest issue — doesn’t have a full grasp of the play book and multiple times has turned the wrong way to handoff the ball.

I’m not saying Peters is the messiah, but he is much better throwing the ball than O’Korn.

 

[Great Dayne]

Agreed. Fumagalli is the wild card. If Hornibrook can find him 6-7 times, it will cause a safety to be assigned and open up the run game for us.

The third stringer Penniston looks like a great pass catcher as well. The second string TE might not play so if that's true his blocking ability will be missed for sure but Penniston can make up for that with his catching ability.

 

[Great Dayne]

Our ability to cover TEs worries me in this game. Hornibrook is meh but he isnt going to miss them if they are wide open all day like Michigan's were (Korn Kob is awful)

If I was OSU I would blitz hornytoad all game long. Dude shits his pants with any pressure at all. Sure he can make some nice throws but he can't avoid pressure and can make some very questionable decisions (which he hasn't done for 2 weeks now magically). I'd bring delayed blitzes or really disguise where the pressure is coming from.

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

He's definitely trying to overstate Peters' impact. This kid might end up being decent, but having decent games against the likes of Rutgers, Maryland, and Minnesota isn't too great of a sample size.

In 2 1/2 quarters — Peters threw for 160 against Wisconsin. In 1 1/2 quarters, John O’Korn threw for 18 yards (and was 2 for 9 throwing the ball)