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[Manster7588]

Did someone say the Browns did not help Watson at all? Only disagreement seems to be with those who think the base in 2022 was done to protect Watson when this type of base is common not just for the Browns but throughout the NFL in year 1 of a large new deal/extension.

That last comment is why I said the following, which you seem to disagree with (even though you wont say what's wrong with it) - "My no vote was because the help he is getting is not limited to being suspended in 2022 but also 2023 and beyond."

Considering you and Ducky both voted NO in the pole, I'd say two people saud NO.

 

[dtgold88]

You know the comment. Now you see how dumb it was. No need to rehash it again.

You're getting quite the collection.
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Yes, for you to say I claimed defense didn't matter was dumb. Well, I might go with a lie as opposed to dumb but you can call yourself a liar or dumb. Your choice.

 

[dtgold88]

Sounds like you need to reread the question & change your vote to yes then.
Thanks for admitting you agree with the rest of us

while I can see the logic in your answer, my issue with voting yes is actually because the Browns are helping him out even more than JUST 2022. Seems like he's going to benefit the same if punished after 2022 when it comes to what the Browns did to help him.

 

[dtgold88]

Considering you and Ducky both voted NO in the pole, I'd say two people saud NO.

and once again you still wont say what was wrong with my comment. Maybe 4th time's a charm?

"My no vote was because the help he is getting is not limited to being suspended in 2022 but also 2023 and beyond."

 

[dtgold88]

Considering you and Ducky both voted NO in the pole, I'd say two people saud NO.

Would add you can vote no but still think the Browns helped out Watson. If you misunderstood my question, once again, I asked who thought the Browns did not help Watson AT ALL.

Pretty sure only area me and ducky disagree is with the multiple people who continue to claim the Browns paid Watson so little in 2022 to help him out when that has been proven to be factually incorrect. Honestly, I don't know the rationale behind the numerous people who make that claim...learn it's false....but continue to make the false claim.

 

[Manster7588]

and once again you still wont say what was wrong with my comment. Maybe 4th time's a charm?

"My no vote was because the help he is getting is not limited to being suspended in 2022 but also 2023 and beyond."

Go read post 135. The way I read it is the added wording pertains to the issues he's currently involved with.

If another issue arises the added wording wouldn't protect Watson, also it only protects Watson in 2022 and 2023.

The verbage was written strictly to aid in his current situation, not beyond.

 

[dtgold88]

Go read post 135. The way I read it is the added wording pertains to the issues he's currently involved with.

If another issue arises the added wording wouldn't protect Watson, also it only protects Watson in 2022 and 2023.

The verbage was written strictly to aid in his current situation, not beyond.

Because it can help in 2023 is why I voted no to the question...had nothing to do with thinking the Browns are not trying to help him out at all.

And, as mentioned numerous times, his base salary in 2022 is a non-factor, though many still think it was done to help him in 2022.

 

[Manster7588]

Because it can help in 2023 is why I voted no to the question...had nothing to do with thinking the Browns are not trying to help him out at all.

And, as mentioned numerous times, his base salary in 2022 is a non-factor, though many still think it was done to help him in 2022.

But voting no just because it helps in 2023 you voted wrong, since nowhere in the question does it state only 2022.

The verbage was specific to protect Watson in his current situation.

Basically, IF he got a DUI today and that led to an additional suspension, the Browns could recoup some of his bonus.

 

[Schmoopy1000]

while I can see the logic in your answer, my issue with voting yes is actually because the Browns are helping him out even more than JUST 2022. Seems like he's going to benefit the same if punished after 2022 when it comes to what the Browns did to help him.

they can help him out every single year if they wanted to with a restructure, but that wasnt the question.

 

[jarntt]

But voting no just because it helps in 2023 you voted wrong, since nowhere in the question does it state only 2022.

The verbage was specific to protect Watson in his current situation.

Basically, IF he got a DUI today and that led to an additional suspension, the Browns could recoup some of his bonus.

It's like talking to a brick wall. He's so stubborn he'll never admit it.
Question was does it help him in 2022. Nowhere does it say does it ONLY help him in 2022 nor does it even allude to not helping him in other years. RTK2 will fight til the death...

 

[dtgold88]

But voting no just because it helps in 2023 you voted wrong, since nowhere in the question does it state only 2022.

The verbage was specific to protect Watson in his current situation.

Basically, IF he got a DUI today and that led to an additional suspension, the Browns could recoup some of his bonus.

I was going by my interpretation of the question. If I misinterpreted the meaning by the one who asked (was it you?) then that person knows best. If I'm wrong so be it.

 

[dtgold88]

It's like talking to a brick wall. He's so stubborn he'll never admit it.
Question was does it help him in 2022. Nowhere does it say does it ONLY help him in 2022 nor does it even allude to not helping him in other years. RTK2 will fight til the death...

If I misinterpreted then that's on me I guess. Not how I read it. But the one who asked would know better. Though IMO could have been worded better as the only area they helped him out that I can see is he wont lose his signing bonus and that is not tied only to a 2022 suspension.

 

[Manster7588]

@HaroldSeattle could you verify your meaning.

Asking for a friend.

 

[dtgold88]

@HaroldSeattle could you verify your meaning.

Asking for a friend.

Since you mention him I owe him another apology....I should not have credited someone else with his pearl of wisdom that Baker is a bust AND the Browns were foolish not to extend him.

He could also explain why he even posed the question he did when the only disagreement I had with him was over why the Browns offered only a $1.035 mil base to Watson.

Moves the goal posts even when he creates a poll?

 

[jarntt]

If I misinterpreted then that's on me I guess. Not how I read it. But the one who asked would know better. Though IMO could have been worded better as the only area they helped him out that I can see is he wont lose his signing bonus and that is not tied only to a 2022 suspension.

Fair enough. If I'm reading incorrectly I apologize.

I will say that personally I absolutely think the contract was designed for maximum help for him in 2022 because the thinking was he'd 90% be suspended this year, regardless of this thread, but that would be a different question so I don't want to derail.

 

[dtgold88]

Fair enough. If I'm reading incorrectly I apologize.

I will say that personally I absolutely think the contract was designed for maximum help for him in 2022 because the thinking was he'd 90% be suspended this year, regardless of this thread, but that would be a different question so I don't want to derail.

I cannot recall what the contract said when it was shown, but other than the mention of the $1.035 base done to help him (which it didn't) I can only recall something about not having to give back any of the signing bonus. I assumed that meant for any season he was suspended which was why I didn't get the reference to 2022 as I'm not sure what was done to help to offer max help in 2022 by the browns.

Now it will offer max help as his salary jumps to $46 mil or so in 2023 but that's not something the Browns did (specific to watson)

 

[HaroldSeattle]

@HaroldSeattle could you verify your meaning.

Asking for a friend.

Just like it reads in the title or heading- Are the Browns helping Watson to escape financial punishment in the event he gets suspended in 2022 ?
So are they? Seems obvious to me.

 

[Manster7588]

Just like it reads in the title or heading- Are the Browns helping Watson to escape financial punishment in the event he gets suspended in 2022 ?
So are they? Seems obvious to me.

Thanks, that's how I see it. I'll let my friend know


@dtgold88 I have some clarification for you.

 

[dtgold88]

Thanks, that's how I see it. I'll let my friend know


@dtgold88 I have some clarification for you.

think it would have been better written to simply say are they helping him out should he get suspended. Not sure why the 2022 part was needed since the only area he and I ever disagreed about 2022 was the reason behind the low base salary in 2022.

 

[dtgold88]

Just like it reads in the title or heading- Are the Browns helping Watson to escape financial punishment in the event he gets suspended in 2022 ?
So are they? Seems obvious to me.

Guess I'd ask why a 2022 reference was needed since the only area I disagreed with you about (which led to you wanting a poll) was the reasoning behind the extremely low base salary.

It's almost like even in a poll you moved the goal posts.

Curious....do you still think the low base was done to help him out if suspended?