Aldon Smith arrested again

[Crimsoncrew]

To clarify my position for everyone (to prevent any potential confusion, not saying you guys didn't follow) I wouldn't do anything to remove him from the roster (trade or cut). I would let him play out his contract, but I would also be actively trying to replace him. Some of you guys may remember how big of a Brandon Graham fan I was in 2010 (I wanted him rather than Iupati or Davis) and in limited opportunities in Philly he's been a bit of a force rushing the passer.

Since Philly doesn't want to play him much, I would look into trading for him and see how he plays with increased snaps when Aldon fucks up again and gets suspended long term. If Graham shows enough to be a 10-15 sack guy (I think he's easily a 10 sack guy) then we let someone else overpay for Aldon's suspensions, focus that money on Crabtree (who is likely making money for his next contract every game he doesn't play right now) and draft another pass rusher. Then we roll with Graham/Brooks/Lemonier/Rookie once Aldon moves on. Sorry, once we move on from Aldon.

If Graham worked out as a start, it would not be difficult to find a PR specialist who would get 10-15 snaps per game in the middle rounds.

It's also probably going to become more important to have quality depth at the edge rusher positions as teams start to do more no huddle-all the time offense trying to run 90 plays per game.

Yeah, I didn't initially get that, but saw your clarifications. I'm basically in the same camp.

 

[spacedoodoopistol]

Was just searching for good LT anecdotes and here's one from the first page I looked at:

I spent a year with Leonard Marshall late in his career and we often talked about LT. Marshall always seemed to chuckle when I brought up his name. He really laughed when we talked about the in-season Saturday morning walk-thru practices before a game. Those practices were a waste of time in the mind of LT. Also, being on Saturday mornings meant they were probably going to be missed anyway. Marshall told me one time the team was in the stadium for the walk-thru because it was a home game the next day and LT was nowhere to be found.

Then, all of a sudden, a cab pulled up to the stadium tunnel and out popped Taylor still in the clothes he wore the day before. After the session was over, one of the players said Parcells was pretty mad and LT apparently said, "what's the big deal? I played on this field before and I know what I gotta do tomorrow, get the QB."

Not the most complex position.

 

[Crimsoncrew]

You are okay with him being drunk ,etc. before a practice? I'm not talking about what everyone does on there own time....just this one final bone-headed moment by Aldon. This is still okay with you? I guess most 9er fans will have to stop ragging on other teams for substance abuse then...not directed towards you in any fashion,but this shit is landing on our front door.

Absolutely not. I'm not ok with him driving at a .15%, and I'm not ok with him being hammered and driving at 7am during the season. I said that in my first post in this thread. I just think the reality is that, as these offenses fall more in the "painfully stupid" rather than the "willfully evil" category, it's tough to justify getting rid of one of the probably two or three best young defensive players in the league.

 

[NinerSickness]

This could be a blessing in disguise. Aldon will get suspended at least 1 game this season (I hope it's more like 4-6 games). This means Lemonier will get at least 1 start to show what he can do. If he impresses as much as I think he will, he could crack his way into the starting lineup.

 

[shouldakepowens]

This could be a blessing in disguise. Aldon will get suspended at least 1 game this season (I hope it's more like 4-6 games). This means Lemonier will get at least 1 start to show what he can do. If he impresses as much as I think he will, he could crack his way into the starting lineup.

I agree i said this earlier in thread to. Hopefully when Aldon gets suspended Lemonier will shine. Making it easier to bring him in on passing downs

 

[notmyfault]

Maybe the word 'okay' was incorrect. Defend a wrong all you want and spin it however you would like. I would hope you are not on the same road with a person who is drunk and driving.

Who the hell are you debating with? I think the 49ers should suspend AD for 4 games to send a message to him, regardless of what the NFL does. It will never happen, nor am I even sure it's legal per NFLPA...but I'd support it.

I was not spinning anything, just pointing out that you are quoting people and accusing them of supporting AD's actions.

 

[darken65]

Absolutely not. I'm not ok with him driving at a .15%, and I'm not ok with him being hammered and driving at 7am during the season. I said that in my first post in this thread. I just think the reality is that, as these offenses fall more in the "painfully stupid" rather than the "willfully evil" category, it's tough to justify getting rid of one of the probably two or three best young defensive players in the league.

I would say the same thing if not for the lawsuit about the shooting. I know everyone is not okay with drunk driving but this kid still continues...

 

[h0ckeysk83r]

The team needs to suspend him for Sunday. We need to set an example to right now to aldon and future players. We are an organization with class, sit this kid down and set him straight. He's on strike 2 maybe even more by now. I bet he gets a 1-4 game suspension from the league.

I'm not ready to cut or trade the guy but like I said he's on one of his last strikes. This is not what the 49ers are about. I can live with mistakes but when they reoccur its not good. He has to grow up.

 

[darken65]

Who the hell are you debating with? I think the 49ers should suspend AD for 4 games to send a message to him, regardless of what the NFL does. It will never happen, nor am I even sure it's legal per NFLPA...but I'd support it.

I was not spinning anything, just pointing out that you are quoting people and accusing them of supporting AD's actions.

My post was directed to the wrong poster...my bad.

 

[darken65]

Does the state of CA take into account DUIs from another state? I heard they have a repeat offender jail time policy in CA.

 

[imac_21]

I think it would be crazy to write him off right now. Lawrence Taylor never got over his issues (and we're talking passed out in the elevator at the stadium on gameday-type stuff, and probably dozens more stories) and played HOF football. Aldon is still young enough to get it together. If he's toxic to the team then he's gotta go, but he's young enough to learn.

It is wild that he might have been driving to practice in that kind of shape. Who knows what they've been seeing out of him at the facility all this time, maybe he's showing up in bad shape more often, maybe not. Wouldn't be surprised if some players get away with this type of stuff for at least some amount of time...certainly not a way to prolong a career. Makes you think of how they were saying Belicheck was getting fed up with Hernandez, maybe he was showing up looking like shit after all the crazy partying and drugs he was doing, just like this.

The problem with the LT comparisons is th era that we're looking at. I'm not worried about Aldon losing anything on the field except time. If he doesn't ever get his shit together, he will get suspended throughout his career. This is obviously a worst-case scenario situation, but he could reach life-time ban status (I know, very unlikely).

LT didn't have to worry about his fuckups leading to suspensions like players do in today's league.

I'm not worried about Smith losing a step on the field, or not being focused on game day. I'm worried about him not being allowed on the field because he can't follow Goodell's rules.

Regardless of how any of us feel about Goodell's heavy-handedness as commish and his insatiable appetite to punish players for every little slip-up (not to suggest that Aldon's incident is a "little slip-up, more a commentary on Goodell's itch trigger finger), this is the rules that exist for the league, and they will for the foreseeable future. It doesn't matter how we feel about the rules, they are the rules and we must abide.

 

[imac_21]

Absolutely not. I'm not ok with him driving at a .15%, and I'm not ok with him being hammered and driving at 7am during the season. I said that in my first post in this thread. I just think the reality is that, as these offenses fall more in the "painfully stupid" rather than the "willfully evil" category, it's tough to justify getting rid of one of the probably two or three best young defensive players in the league.

My reasons for looking to move on (and I'm sorry that I keep repeating it) isn't because I don't trust Aldon, but because any player that continuously violates the league's good behaviour rules, regardless of skill, is a detriment to his team. If Aldon is going to put himself in a position where he could be this generations Leonard Little, he may find him self facing season long or more suspensions.

Little was fortunate enough to play in a time when Goodell didn't swing the gavel, and social media and the internet in general didn't give every Tom, Dick and Harry the opportunity to rant and rave about people's actions and share the actions that even 5 years ago would have gone largely unnoticed with the world.

Aldon can be the greatest pass rusher of all time, but he does us no good sitting at home watching due to suspensions.

 

[imac_21]

Who the hell are you debating with? I think the 49ers should suspend AD for 4 games to send a message to him, regardless of what the NFL does. It will never happen, nor am I even sure it's legal per NFLPA...but I'd support it.

I was not spinning anything, just pointing out that you are quoting people and accusing them of supporting AD's actions.

I think they could make a pretty case under the all-encompassing "Conduct Detrimental to the Team" clause for an indefinite suspension. Had he not gotten into the accident he would have been driving into the parking lot somewhere in the 7:30 range (don't know how far away he was or anything) with 0.15 BAC (assuming he was heading to the facility).

He had enough time to be arrested, booked, spend a few hours in jail, get bailed out and still get to practice, so what would he have been doing at the facility before practice? Either watching film or working out. I wouldn't want to be in a weight room with someone with a 0.15 BAC.

That seems like the definition of conduct detrimental, and that umbrella has been used to suspend guys for a lot less (Brandon Jacobs last year).

 

[imac_21]

The team needs to suspend him for Sunday. We need to set an example to right now to aldon and future players. We are an organization with class, sit this kid down and set him straight. He's on strike 2 maybe even more by now. I bet he gets a 1-4 game suspension from the league.

I'm not ready to cut or trade the guy but like I said he's on one of his last strikes. This is not what the 49ers are about. I can live with mistakes but when they reoccur its not good. He has to grow up.

I would agree with the idea of a team based suspension, however there are two report suggesting that the league doesn't want teams suspending players for these situations, instead leaving it to the almighty League Office to do so.

Also, I believe if the team suspends him he still gets paid (team doesn't have the right to suspend without pay), but if the league suspends him, he doesn't get paid for the length of the suspension.

If the league suspends him and he doesn't get paid, that will be a much stronger message than a paid vacation.

On a team note, if the league suspends him and he is not paid, each game check he forfeits is credited to the salary cap and we gain a little cap room.

 

[yossarian]

Aldon weighs about 260 pounds, here is a calculator to let you see how much of an idiot he was to blow a .15 BAC.

Say he was drinking over a 2 hour period. He would have had to have over 12 beershttp://bloodalcoholcalculator.org/#LinkURL

 

[BloodType49]

Aldon's court date is Nov 4th, I'm thinking he will receive a minimum 2 game suspension which means he misses the Jags and Saints games unless he appeals an draws it out Ala Marshawn Lynch.

 

[grim rpr]

Darken65 nice pic btw

not a troller... huge denver fan and I hate what von miller is turning into... I have always thought the niners were a classy organization except when u all beat our asses in 89 super bowl. Lolol... I see some stuff seeing maybe a one game suspension on this thread but I just highly doubt that... smith and miller need to brighten up quick or they will make one tenth of the salary both talents deserve... probably a 4 game suspension just like most others get for either multiple duis and the nfl does not care about cali rules on weed... its against the policy... both of the huge talents are quickly turning into piles of shit.... miller did weed the cheated a piss test so I am glad his dumbass got a 6 game suspension... Denver has survived great without him even without bailey and the 9ers r loaded and will also survive without him... good for all the people on this thread that have lost respect for both mentioned players... my friend died as a result of a driver with a .11 bac .... just not stuff to be driving on period... but pot is stupid too at the NFL level and he will get his suspension he deserves... these kids are just plain fuckin stupid

 

[tomikcon1971]

I haven't read the whole thread, but I'm All Done with Aldon.

 

[NinerSickness]

Just for the sake of argument...

What is Aldon's actual trade value at this point? He'll have 2 years on his contract after this season, and he's a prime candidate for a franchise tag if he doesn't re-sign. So is he worth more or less than the #1 pick overall in the draft?

I would argue he's worth more than the #1 pick overall. Significantly more. Even with his off-field crap. What do you think?

 

[bvanthielriceyoung]

Just for the sake of argument...

What is Aldon's actual trade value at this point? He'll have 2 years on his contract after this season, and he's a prime candidate for a franchise tag if he doesn't re-sign. So is he worth more or less than the #1 pick overall in the draft?

I would argue he's worth more than the #1 pick overall. Significantly more. Even with his off-field crap. What do you think?

I dont think a team would ever give that up for him, especially with his off field stuff.

I think his value right now is mid to late first round pick.