AL Cy Young Award

[Hambombs]

Colon doesn't have many more innings than Sanchez...just 7 more innings in 1 more start.

Colon's WHIP (1.18) is also a lot higher than that of Darvish, Sale, Scherzer, Iwakama...Colon's at 1.18 while the other 3 are 1.07 or lower (Scherzer's under 1.00 at 0.96)

Colon's also got a worse K/BB than Sale, Scherzer, Iwakama, but better than Darvish

Colon's OPS against is also the worst of the group, by a good margin (.662, with the next closest of the 4 being Iwakama at .637)

Good post.

 

[navamind]

Yes innings is very important(forgot to include it earlier in important statistics for CY)... And that is why i would take anibal sanchez off... but colon and anibal sanchez have a 2.64 ERA that is .13 better than the next pitcher, .3 better than the likes of Scherzer and sale... I took Sanchez off of the top 5 because of wins innings, and WHIP... Bartolo colon is first in ERA and 2nd in wins, that is a great and CY elligible season...

Those points in ERA don't make up for the innings.

 

[MilkSpiller22]

Colon doesn't have many more innings than Sanchez...just 7 more innings in 1 more start.

Colon's WHIP (1.18) is also a lot higher than that of Darvish, Sale, Scherzer, Iwakama...Colon's at 1.18 while the other 3 are 1.07 or lower (Scherzer's under 1.00 at 0.96)

Colon's also got a worse K/BB than Sale, Scherzer, Iwakama, but better than Darvish

Colon's OPS against is also the worst of the group, by a good margin (.662, with the next closest of the 4 being Iwakama at .637)

Never said he did!! what i said is that because Colon is first in ERA and 2nd in wins, that makes him CY elligible... Sanchez only has the ERA, so i took him off the top 5.

Colon's WHIP is certainly worse than the rest of the top 5, but i did not have him win the CY young, I have Scherzer winning...
Colon is better than the other 3 in the 2 most important pitching stats there is WINS and ERA... The other stats should only be compared if we are talking about similar stats... Anyone who says WINS is not an important pitching stat(even though it is flawed) is just very jaded...

 

[MilkSpiller22]

Again, we are not talking about who is the best pitcher, we are talking about who is the best pitcher this season... it seems like you guys have trouble differentiating...

 

[ImSmartherThanYou]

Never said he did!! what i said is that because Colon is first in ERA and 2nd in wins, that makes him CY elligible... Sanchez only has the ERA, so i took him off the top 5.

Colon's WHIP is certainly worse than the rest of the top 5, but i did not have him win the CY young, I have Scherzer winning...
Colon is better than the other 3 in the 2 most important pitching stats there is WINS and ERA... The other stats should only be compared if we are talking about similar stats... Anyone who says WINS is not an important pitching stat(even though it is flawed) is just very jaded...

Any pitcher who throws a pitch in the league is CYA eligible.

I'm sure Colon will get a handful of votes, but in no way shape or form does he deserve to get votes any higher than the 5 spot, and no way should he get even a single 2nd place vote.

 

[Wazmankg]

For my money a QS should be at least 7 innings. Or require at least 4 clean innings.

Wouldn't really object to the stat being discontinued altogether.

PS, if a pitcher for a losing team has the best ERA in the league, or the best K/BB ratio, would that merit
consideration?

Sure with a qualifier. Innings pitched. He's have to be at least within shouting distance of the league leaders in IPs.

 

[StanMarsh51]

Never said he did!! what i said is that because Colon is first in ERA and 2nd in wins, that makes him CY elligible... Sanchez only has the ERA, so i took him off the top 5.

Colon's WHIP is certainly worse than the rest of the top 5, but i did not have him win the CY young, I have Scherzer winning...
Colon is better than the other 3 in the 2 most important pitching stats there is WINS and ERA... The other stats should only be compared if we are talking about similar stats... Anyone who says WINS is not an important pitching stat(even though it is flawed) is just very jaded...

No one's saying it's not important, but it's becoming less and less important over time...

The last time where there was a 'huge' focus on wins for the Cy was probably in 2005, when Colon beat out Santana.

 

[ImSmartherThanYou]

Never said he did!! what i said is that because Colon is first in ERA and 2nd in wins, that makes him CY elligible... Sanchez only has the ERA, so i took him off the top 5.

Colon's WHIP is certainly worse than the rest of the top 5, but i did not have him win the CY young, I have Scherzer winning...
Colon is better than the other 3 in the 2 most important pitching stats there is WINS and ERA... The other stats should only be compared if we are talking about similar stats... Anyone who says WINS is not an important pitching stat(even though it is flawed) is just very jaded...

Those aren't the two most important pitching stats.

We're not jaded. We just know a lot more about baseball than you.

 

[ImSmartherThanYou]

Again, we are not talking about who is the best pitcher, we are talking about who is the best pitcher this season... it seems like you guys have trouble differentiating...

Nope. Not at all. Not even one bit. At no point have I referred to any season but 2013.

 

[Wazmankg]

I bet you said the same thing last year.

No. There was a valid debate last season. My argument against Trout was that he had 2+ massive months then tailed off quite a bit in Aug. & Sept. when his team was fighting for a playoff spot. I also said that we shouldn't turn a 2 month wonder into Mickey Mantle until he proved himself over time. Well he's made a believer out of me and would have a strong case for MVP this year if his team was in the mix.

 

[broncosmitty]

James Shields will get votes on account of his innings. And deservedly so. Same with Sanchez for his ERA and Big Fat Bartolo for his ERA and his Ws. But there are four guys who have enough quality numbers across the board that none of them should be higher than fifth,(Scherzer isn't a one year wonder either. His post-June numbers last season were tremendous. So one and half year wonder maybe, but not one year) on any list. If they are, I won't like the list very much.

 

[MilkSpiller22]

No one's saying it's not important, but it's becoming less and less important over time...

The last time where there was a 'huge' focus on wins for the Cy was probably in 2005, when Colon beat out Santana.

No it is not, it is only becoming less important by you stats people who pick and choose the stats you guys like... Baseball and all sports is about winning... Giving your team the lead when you leave the game is the pitchers main job... Therefore it is the most important stat... I agree it doesnt give the whole picture but no one stat does... for example you guys are shunning Colon even though he has the highest ERA in the AL out of all qualified SPs... But colon is better than Iwakuma, Sale, and darvish in the 2 clearly most important pitching stats... Both pretty significantly... therefore he had the better season this season...

 

[broncosmitty]

Never said he did!! what i said is that because Colon is first in ERA and 2nd in wins, that makes him CY elligible... Sanchez only has the ERA, so i took him off the top 5.

Colon's WHIP is certainly worse than the rest of the top 5, but i did not have him win the CY young, I have Scherzer winning...
Colon is better than the other 3 in the 2 most important pitching stats there is WINS and ERA... The other stats should only be compared if we are talking about similar stats... Anyone who says WINS is not an important pitching stat(even though it is flawed) is just very jaded...

Middle relievers can get Wins on a regular basis. Set up men have nice ERAs, typicly. Innings set people apart.

 

[Hambombs]

James Shields will get votes on account of his innings. And deservedly so. Same with Sanchez for his ERA and Big Fat Bartolo for his ERA and his Ws. But there are four guys who have enough quality numbers across the board that none of them should be higher than fifth,(Scherzer isn't a one year wonder either. His post-June numbers last season were tremendous. So one and half year wonder maybe, but not one year) on any list. If they are, I won't like the list very much.

Yep. I even said to myself last last year that darvish and scherzer will be cy young contenders next year

 

[MilkSpiller22]

I am willing to revise my top 5 to:

1. Scherzer
2. Colon
3. Iwakuma
4. Darvish
5. Sale

 

[Wazmankg]

Well, I don't think Trout has it locked up.

Funny stuff.

There are voters that still think a team has to be in contention for a player to be deemed "valuable".

Yeah pretty much all of them. This is never going to change, btw, so you may as well get over it.

And, Donaldson may be the next choice, but there will be voters that pick Cabrera and Davis beacuse of their RBI totals and OPS.

Miggy will run away with it but you already knew that.

 

[MilkSpiller22]

Middle relievers can get Wins on a regular basis. Set up men have nice ERAs, typicly. Innings set people apart.

Not arguing that innings is not important, but if a player is significantly better in the 2 most important parts of a pitchers job how can you hate on him...

A pitchers job- let up as little runs as possible to get the win... How he does this is irrelevant...
Colon has 4 more wins than iwakuma and darvish, and 6 more than sale... He also had over .12 better ERA than all of the 3 pitchers...

 

[Hambombs]

I am willing to revise my top 5 to:

1. Scherzer
2. Darvish
3. Sale
4. King Felix
5. Iwakuma



That should be your standings

 

[MilkSpiller22]

If either of the stats were close then i would include other less important statistics like WHIP and QS(which i guess i am the only one who likes this stat).

 

[MilkSpiller22]

I am willing to revise my top 5 to:

1. Scherzer
2. Darvish
3. Sale
4. King Felix
5. Iwakuma



That should be your standings

Is king felix a joke?? he does not deserve to be on this list this season... not at all...