AL Cy Young Award

[ImSmartherThanYou]

If either of the stats were close then i would include other less important statistics like WHIP and QS(which i guess i am the only one who likes this stat).

WHIP is much more important than Wins and QS put together.

 

[ImSmartherThanYou]

Is king felix a joke?? he does not deserve to be on this list this season... not at all...

I think he's worthy of some consideration for the 5th spot on the ballot. That 5th spot is a toss-up between Colon, Felix, Sanchez, Shields, Santana, and Kuroda in my opinion.

 

[ImSmartherThanYou]

I agree he is not better... But he diefintiely had a better season... do you see the difference??

Except that he didn't have a better season...

 

[ImSmartherThanYou]

Definitely willing to... if you guys can make a valid argument without diminishing the value of a stat...

Literally dozens of valid arguments have been made throughout this thread.

 

[broncosmitty]

I could!!! I will admit i am going a little too strong to my argument to attempt to make my point, unfortunately it doesnt seem you guys are getting it... If i had the time and was willing i would make my true analysis(to prove me right or wrong) on colon being the #2, but it is not worth it since i do believe that Scherzer is the clear cut winner...

Im not sure Scherzer is the clear cut best starter on his own team this season. But Sanchez missed time. Too much time to be a factor in this years vote. Yet he has twice the Ks of Colon. But while I'd consider them somewhere between 5-8, you've got Bartolo second. So no, I'm not getting it.

 

[StanMarsh51]

Not arguing that innings is not important, but if a player is significantly better in the 2 most important parts of a pitchers job how can you hate on him...

A pitchers job- let up as little runs as possible to get the win... How he does this is irrelevant...
Colon has 4 more wins than iwakuma and darvish, and 6 more than sale... He also had over .12 better ERA than all of the 3 pitchers...

It's not that simple. If a team has an overused bullpen, is it not part of the starter's job to of deep into games? Pitchers that go deep into games create a ton of value in that sense, not to mention what's already been stated in that it's harder to maintain low rate stats with more innings (due to tiring out and hitters getting more looks).

 

[BeaverShaver]

Scherzer gets it, followed by Colon, then Darvish. After that, who cares? This is not based on any crazy computer analysis, or opinions, just based on how it will turn out according to the votes.

 

[ImSmartherThanYou]

I could!!! I will admit i am going a little too strong to my argument to attempt to make my point, unfortunately it doesnt seem you guys are getting it... If i had the time and was willing i would make my true analysis(to prove me right or wrong) on colon being the #2, but it is not worth it since i do believe that Scherzer is the clear cut winner...

Oh we get your point. It's just a terrible point.

 

[ImSmartherThanYou]

Imsmartherthanyou, stop repeating the same arguments and try to understand the other argument... I understand you are stubborn and not willing to learn something new, but if you dont see the importance of the stat WINS then it is you that does not understand baseball...

I understand your argument. Crystal clear. It's just an ignorant, illogical and obsolete argument. There is nothing new I can learn from you on this topic. I've forgotten more about this game- and pitching in particular- than you'll ever know.

 

[soxfan1468927]

Imsmartherthanyou, stop repeating the same arguments and try to understand the other argument... I understand you are stubborn and not willing to learn something new, but if you dont see the importance of the stat WINS then it is you that does not understand baseball...

winmethod.blogspot.com

You guys would get along great

 

[MilkSpiller22]

It's not that simple. If a team has an overused bullpen, is it not part of the starter's job to of deep into games? Pitchers that go deep into games create a ton of value in that sense, not to mention what's already been stated in that it's harder to maintain low rate stats with more innings (due to tiring out and hitters getting more looks).

It is that simple... you can figure out situationals all the time, but you can make a case for every stat to be a bad stat... Take the stat for what it is, it is a black and white stat that does not care about the reasons...

 

[broncosmitty]

I think he's worthy of some consideration for the 5th spot on the ballot. That 5th spot is a toss-up between Colon, Felix, Sanchez, Shields, Santana, and Kuroda in my opinion.

Not that I'd put any of the guys I'm about to list as high as fifth. But Wilson, Holland, Masterson, Lester and possibly Verlander could be top ten without me putting up much of a fuss. Tillman being higher would bother me some, as it'd just be based off wins. I'd say its a good battle between Santana and Kuroda and my short list for 9th and 10th. (I'm starting to think Shields is my #5)

 

[broncosmitty]

Scherzer gets it, followed by Colon, then Darvish. After that, who cares? This is not based on any crazy computer analysis, or opinions, just based on how it will turn out according to the votes.

Colon at #2 isn't based off who your favorite team happens to be? Me thinks otherwise. But you and MilkSpiller seem to be in agreement.

 

[MilkSpiller22]

Imsmartherthanyou, just wondering what stats do you think are important to figure out who had the best season... I know i dont care about Strikeouts, flyout%, groundout%, or any other of the how a player got an out stat.

 

[steveringo]

Seriously Donaldson ?

Look at who wrote the post I replied to....

 

[ImSmartherThanYou]

winmethod.blogspot.com

You guys would get along great

YES!

 

[ImSmartherThanYou]

It is that simple... you can figure out situationals all the time, but you can make a case for every stat to be a bad stat... Take the stat for what it is, it is a black and white stat that does not care about the reasons...

It's not black and white at all, actually.

Often times, a starting pitcher pitches a gem and gets a no decision or a loss. Other times, he pitches awful and gets a win. Doesn't sound black and white to me.

 

[steveringo]

Funny stuff.



Yeah pretty much all of them. This is never going to change, btw, so you may as well get over it.



Miggy will run away with it but you already knew that.

But will he deserve it. That is the question.

 

[ImSmartherThanYou]

Imsmartherthanyou, just wondering what stats do you think are important to figure out who had the best season... I know i dont care about Strikeouts, flyout%, groundout%, or any other of the how a player got an out stat.

IP, IP/GS, CG, BB, SO, ERA, ERA+, WHIP, H/9, HR/9, BB/9, K/9, K/BB, BAA, OPSA, WAR, FIP, xFIP. That about covers the most important ones to complete a full evaluation. Then, if all else fails, I go to secondary stats like W, W%, BABIP, WPA, SIERA, VORP, QS, team record, run support, etc. to help put the primary stats into better context.

 

[MilkSpiller22]

IP, IP/GS, CG, BB, SO, ERA, ERA+, WHIP, H/9, HR/9, BB/9, K/9, K/BB, BAA, OPSA, WAR, FIP, xFIP. That about covers the most important ones to complete a full evaluation. Then, if all else fails, I go to secondary stats like W, W%, BABIP, WPA, SIERA, VORP, QS, team record, run support, etc. to help put the primary stats into better context.

Just wondering why does BB matter more than WHIP and if you include WHIP why does it matter at all to answer who was best this season?? why does strike outs matter at all, it is just another out?? Like i said you do not understand the difference between best this season and best pitcher if those are your stats... You care more about talent than results and that is not what we are asking for!!!