AL Cy Young Award

[StanMarsh51]

Only 5 IP calls for a deep and good pen. 6 a bit less. I'm not crazy about QS either. Sale eats innings and wins the eyeball test for me. I've seen nearly all of Max's starts and only a handful of Sale's though. Sale doesn't have a prayer. It will be interesting to see how many votes he gets. I don't think we're even close to a time when a guy with a losing record wins the CYA, especially one who doesn't completely dominate in several other categories.

Well Felix won the Cy in a year he went 13-12, so I think we're getting closer and closer to where it could happen if need be.

 

[MilkSpiller22]

Please note that I've said repeatedly that I think Scherzer will win the award on the strength of his record.

I don't completely dismiss wins. I look at then when you have two comparable pitchers on comparable teams. You cannot look at wins for players on two completely different teams. It's not Sale's fault that he doesn't have the Tigers' offense supporting him, and that he has a Little League defense playing behind him (granted, Detroit's defense is also awful). So it's completely useless to look at wins to compare a pitcher on a 95 win team and a 95 loss team.

Your ballot is bullshit. Colon *and* Sanchez? Despite their lack of innings? No Iwakuma? Seriously, just stop. Baseball isn't your thing.

Colon and sanchez have the best ERA in the AL, by a pretty wide margin... but you are right i did forget iwakuma... he would be 5th over anibal...

 

[StanMarsh51]

Colon and sanchez have the best ERA in the AL, by a pretty wide margin... but you are right i did forget iwakuma... he would be 5th over anibal...

Neither may also top 190 innings. Workload does (and should) matter....obviously the more innings a pitcher throws, the better chance he has to tire out and the more looks batters will get, so it's harder to keep up low rate stats while throwing a lot more innings.

In 2010 for example Clay Buccholz went 17-7 with a 2.33 ERA (3rd in the AL), but he didn't finish in the top 5 of Cy voting? Why is that? Because he threw only 173 innings while other guys were 200+...Jered Weaver that year went 13-12 with a 3.01 ERA but finished better in the voting, as he had 224 innings (51 more than Buccholz).

In 2009, Chris Carpenter had a better ERA and better record than Tim Lincecum, but Lincecum won the Cy....Lincecum had 30+ more innings with Carpenter having under 195, which likely played a factor.

 

[broncosmitty]

Darvish has failed to register a Quality Start in 3 of his last 5 outings. Not sure if that has been mentioned. Scherzer's going for his 21st tonight. (And Detroits third straight central title, which has no merit in this conversation, but I felt compelled to mention it). Strong showing from him against a lousy Twins lineup and the award will be his. Bad night, elevating that ERA up a little over three and the door stays open.

 

[steveringo]

Think for just a minute about the username YOU CHOSE, that was not forced upon you.

Put politely, it is not indicative of humility at all!

+1

It never gets old.

I've lost count at this point.

 

[steveringo]

Darvish has failed to register a Quality Start in 3 of his last 5 outings. Not sure if that has been mentioned. Scherzer's going for his 21st tonight. (And Detroits third straight central title, which has no merit in this conversation, but I felt compelled to mention it). Strong showing from him against a lousy Twins lineup and the award will be his. Bad night, elevating that ERA up a little over three and the door stays open.

I think there were a few posts about the value of QS....

 

[ImSmartherThanYou]

Colon and sanchez have the best ERA in the AL, by a pretty wide margin... but you are right i did forget iwakuma... he would be 5th over anibal...

A big reason why they have that margin in ERA is because of their lack of innings. ERA trends up as innings increase. That's why workload is *ALWAYS* to be taken into account.

 

[steveringo]

There's no need for an AL MVP thread.

Well, I don't think Trout has it locked up. There are voters that still think a team has to be in contention for a player to be deemed "valuable".

And, Donaldson may be the next choice, but there will be voters that pick Cabrera and Davis beacuse of their RBI totals and OPS.

 

[ImSmartherThanYou]

Well, I don't think Trout has it locked up. There are voters that still think a team has to be in contention for a player to be deemed "valuable".

And, Donaldson may be the next choice, but there will be voters that pick Cabrera and Davis beacuse of their RBI totals and OPS.

The obvious choice to me is Koji Uehara.

 

[steveringo]

The obvious choice to me is Koji Uehara.

He does have a 3.6 WAR in just 72 IP....

 

[navamind]

Well, I don't think Trout has it locked up. There are voters that still think a team has to be in contention for a player to be deemed "valuable".

And, Donaldson may be the next choice, but there will be voters that pick Cabrera and Davis beacuse of their RBI totals and OPS.

Donaldson does have the whole narrative thing going for him.

 

[MilkSpiller22]

A big reason why they have that margin in ERA is because of their lack of innings. ERA trends up as innings increase. That's why workload is *ALWAYS* to be taken into account.

Yes innings is very important(forgot to include it earlier in important statistics for CY)... And that is why i would take anibal sanchez off... but colon and anibal sanchez have a 2.64 ERA that is .13 better than the next pitcher, .3 better than the likes of Scherzer and sale... I took Sanchez off of the top 5 because of wins innings, and WHIP... Bartolo colon is first in ERA and 2nd in wins, that is a great and CY elligible season...

 

[Hambombs]

Colon and sanchez have the best ERA in the AL, by a pretty wide margin... but you are right i did forget iwakuma... he would be 5th over anibal...

No they haven't

 

[Hambombs]

Yes innings is very important(forgot to include it earlier in important statistics for CY)... And that is why i would take anibal sanchez off... but colon and anibal sanchez have a 2.64 ERA that is .13 better than the next pitcher, .3 better than the likes of Scherzer and sale... I took Sanchez off of the top 5 because of wins innings, and WHIP... Bartolo colon is first in ERA and 2nd in wins, that is a great and CY elligible season...

That fat tub of lard and one year wonder ain't winning

 

[Hambombs]

Well, I don't think Trout has it locked up. There are voters that still think a team has to be in contention for a player to be deemed "valuable".

And, Donaldson may be the next choice, but there will be voters that pick Cabrera and Davis beacuse of their RBI totals and OPS.

Seriously Donaldson ?

 

[Hambombs]

Darvish has failed to register a Quality Start in 3 of his last 5 outings. Not sure if that has been mentioned. Scherzer's going for his 21st tonight. (And Detroits third straight central title, which has no merit in this conversation, but I felt compelled to mention it). Strong showing from him against a lousy Twins lineup and the award will be his. Bad night, elevating that ERA up a little over three and the door stays open.

 

[MilkSpiller22]

That fat tub of lard and one year wonder ain't winning

Why does it matter that he is a one year wonder?? so is scherzer!! the CY young is not the who is the best pitcher award, it is the who was the best pitcher this season award... The CY young award can go to someone who doesnt strike people out!!!

 

[Hambombs]

IMsmartherthanyou, the reason sale does not deserve the CY over Scherzer is simple... Their stats are too similar to discount the one stat that they are not even close and that is wins... I know you hate the stat but you are foolish to discount it totally... It is important, just because you see the flaw in the stat does not mean that it doesnt have many positives too... In my opinion the order should look like this

1. max Scherzer
2. bartolo colon(best ERA and has 17 wins)
3. yu darvish
4. chris Sale
5. anibal sanchez

Terrible standings because bartolo colon is not a top 5 pitcher in the Al

 

[Hambombs]

Why does it matter that he is a one year wonder?? so is scherzer!! the CY young is not the who is the best pitcher award, it is the who was the best pitcher this season award... The CY young award can go to someone who doesnt strike people out!!!

Well it should go to the best pitcher at the time IMO

 

[StanMarsh51]

Yes innings is very important(forgot to include it earlier in important statistics for CY)... And that is why i would take anibal sanchez off... but colon and anibal sanchez have a 2.64 ERA that is .13 better than the next pitcher, .3 better than the likes of Scherzer and sale... I took Sanchez off of the top 5 because of wins innings, and WHIP... Bartolo colon is first in ERA and 2nd in wins, that is a great and CY elligible season...

Colon doesn't have many more innings than Sanchez...just 7 more innings in 1 more start.

Colon's WHIP (1.18) is also a lot higher than that of Darvish, Sale, Scherzer, Iwakama...Colon's at 1.18 while the other 3 are 1.07 or lower (Scherzer's under 1.00 at 0.96)

Colon's also got a worse K/BB than Sale, Scherzer, Iwakama, but better than Darvish

Colon's OPS against is also the worst of the group, by a good margin (.662, with the next closest of the 4 being Iwakama at .637)