AL Cy Young Award

[broncosmitty]

Haha yes. I'm just being sarcastic with you guys right now no harm

Once I remembered our conversation it all clicked in my Chris Sale lovin brain.

 

[steveringo]

When I value pitchers for how they did THIS season in order the stats I look at

1. ERA
2. WHip
3. Wins
4. QS

All else I don't believe is as important because we are not valuing talent we are valuing who had the best season.

Side question: When the MVP award thread starts, will you be using BA as a major determining factor?

 

[ImSmartherThanYou]

But what if the reliever has a 0 ERA in 67 innings with a 16 k/9 with less than 10 walks with 3 hits per 9 does he deserve it after that?

I guess that's a perfectly likely scenario. You got me.

 

[steveringo]

I mentioned him! How many points do I get?

Wait, in a good way??

 

[ImSmartherThanYou]

Side question: When the MVP award thread starts, will you be using BA as a major determining factor?

As well as infield singles and productive outs, of course.

 

[ImSmartherThanYou]

Wait, in a good way??

Damn Scooby.

 

[ImSmartherThanYou]

No I just understand why he's clearly above scherzer and darvish

I've never once suggested he was. Just that *as of today* he'd get *my* vote. But I couched that by saying how ridiculously close it was and that it was a coin flip, and to see how the last week plays out because of how close they are.

 

[MilkSpiller22]

Yeah... I'm not sure the nicest way to say this... but maybe you should just stick to football or basketball. Baseball- while a simple sport at the end of the day- is clearly above your level of comprehension. The world needs ditch diggers.

You do know there is a difference between best season and best player. Advanced pitching stats are great but they measure who is the better player for now and the future.

We don't care about the future to answer who had the best season. I don't care about strikeouts, k/9, k/bb. I don't care about fly ball rate or ground ball rate.

All that is important is their final numbers. Era, whip wins and QS. You know non strikeout pitchers can win the Cy young award too.

 

[Hambombs]

I guess that's a perfectly likely scenario. You got me.

 

[Hambombs]

You do know there is a difference between best season and best player. Advanced pitching stats are great but they measure who is the better player for now and the future.

We don't care about the future to answer who had the best season. I don't care about strikeouts, k/9, k/bb. I don't care about fly ball rate or ground ball rate.

All that is important is their final numbers. Era, whip wins and QS. You know non strikeout pitchers can win the Cy young award too.

Yeah they could but they shouldn't

 

[ImSmartherThanYou]

You do know there is a difference between best season and best player. Advanced pitching stats are great but they measure who is the better player for now and the future.

We don't care about the future to answer who had the best season. I don't care about strikeouts, k/9, k/bb. I don't care about fly ball rate or ground ball rate.

All that is important is their final numbers. Era, whip wins and QS. You know non strikeout pitchers can win the Cy young award too.

Ditch diggers. I work with them every day and they're valuable team members. They really help the bridges I design stay up. Shitty ditch digger? Bridge go boom.

 

[Brahmsian]

Unless no starter pitches great while surpassing 180 innings, or some other completely unlikely or unforeseeable scenario, then never is a perfectly adequate word.

In the history of the award, there has never been a season where a reliever deserved the award.

Not even Sparky Lyle or Mariano Rivera?

IMO a closer can be as important to a team as a #1 starter. and can appear in more crucial situations. Plus he has to be SHARP immediately. A starter can get away with a mediocre 1st inning, a reliever coming into a tie game in the 9th inning? NO PARDON-MY-LANGUAGE WAY!

 

[steveringo]

You do know there is a difference between best season and best player. Advanced pitching stats are great but they measure who is the better player for now and the future.

We don't care about the future to answer who had the best season. I don't care about strikeouts, k/9, k/bb. I don't care about fly ball rate or ground ball rate.

All that is important is their final numbers. Era, whip wins and QS. You know non strikeout pitchers can win the Cy young award too.

 

[Hambombs]

lol I laughed

 

[StanMarsh51]

Not even Sparky Lyle or Mariano Rivera?

IMO a closer can be as important to a team as a #1 starter. and can appear in more crucial situations. Plus he has to be SHARP immediately. A starter can get away with a mediocre 1st inning, a reliever coming into a tie game in the 9th inning? NO PARDON-MY-LANGUAGE WAY!

A starter in the 1st inning isn't going all out...he's pacing himself to go 100+ pitches, unlike a reliever who can immediately throw at 100% velocity

So it's not a good comparison. One example off the top of my head is Joba with the Yankees a few years back when he was moved from the pen to the rotation in the same season...he threw 98+ from the pen, but when he was moved to a starter he had to tone it down and throw 92-93ish. He had to pace himself, which is something relievers generally don't need worry about.

 

[MilkSpiller22]

The only way scherzer does not win the Cy is if the voters want to give a present to Mariano Rivera.

 

[Brahmsian]

A starter in the 1st inning isn't going all out...he's pacing himself to go 100+ pitches, unlike a reliever who can immediately throw at 100% velocity

So it's not a good comparison. One example off the top of my head is Joba with the Yankees a few years back when he was moved from the pen to the rotation in the same season...he threw 98+ from the pen, but when he was moved to a starter he had to tone it down and throw 92-93ish. He had to pace himself, which is something relievers generally don't need worry about.

It is a good comparison, but the phrasing might be off a bit.

A closer has to be going all-out immediately, because he doesn't have the margin for error a starter does.

A run given up in the 1st inning is not good but not lethal either. A run given up in the 9th inning of a tie game can be IMMEDIATELY lethal.

 

[broncosmitty]

The only way scherzer does not win the Cy is if the voters want to give a present to Mariano Rivera.

Please... There a handful of deserving pitchers in this conversation, Mariano Rivera is not one of them. Scherzer is by no means the far and away clear cut choice.

 

[StanMarsh51]

It is a good comparison, but the phrasing might be off a bit.

A closer has to be going all-out immediately, because he doesn't have the margin for error a starter does.

A run given up in the 1st inning is not good but not lethal either. A run given up in the 9th inning of a tie game can be IMMEDIATELY lethal.

If the team loses 1-0 on that run given up in the 1st inning, it's lethal.

Do you think for example that John Smoltz was more important as a closer than a starter? There's a reason why the Braves wanted him back in the rotation as soon as he built up enough arm strength to endure a 200 inning season.

 

[ImSmartherThanYou]

Not even Sparky Lyle or Mariano Rivera?

IMO a closer can be as important to a team as a #1 starter. and can appear in more crucial situations. Plus he has to be SHARP immediately. A starter can get away with a mediocre 1st inning, a reliever coming into a tie game in the 9th inning? NO PARDON-MY-LANGUAGE WAY!

Then your opinion is worthless