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[cwerph]

I'm with @dtgold88 . Bleh on the Rodgers thing, I hope he does miserable and the Steelers are in a position with a top 10 pick next year for a new QB. Enough about that for me. More talk about busts.

The morning manager at the McDonalds I frequent is a Steelers fan. Just said to him, "Rodgers, huh?" He is pissed. I told him, "Relax, with Mike Tomlin as coach I am convinced Stevie Wonder at QB would win 9 games for the Steelers."

 

[thedddd]

Why didn't he work out in Pittsburgh? There isn't a more stable situation than that?

Not sarcasm, I'm genuinely curious.

Nothing was stable about their offense. The mediocre QB’s, awful complementary WR’s and worst of all their play calling from the coordinators.

 

[Cincyfan78]

Nothing was stable about their offense. The mediocre QB’s, awful complementary WR’s and worst of all their play calling from the coordinators.

Those are all correct points, but I feel like there needs to be a conversation about his own attitude and approach. The second he decided it wasn't going "HIS" way, he shut down. They could be winning, it didn't matter. They could be losing, he wouldn't care. If he was getting "HIS", he was fine. The second that he felt that wasn't the case...he was mentally shut down.

 

[dare2be]

Nothing was stable about their offense. The mediocre QB’s, awful complementary WR’s and worst of all their play calling from the coordinators.

Also the head coach. Tomlin is no disciplinarian that Cowher was.

 

[thedddd]

Those are all correct points, but I feel like there needs to be a conversation about his own attitude and approach. The second he decided it wasn't going "HIS" way, he shut down. They could be winning, it didn't matter. They could be losing, he wouldn't care. If he was getting "HIS", he was fine. The second that he felt that wasn't the case...he was mentally shut down.

Yep and that all fell on the coaching staff and their lack of discipline towards him.

 

[dtgold88]

WR:

Braylon Edwards (238 receptions, 3,641 yards, 28 TDs. A Pro Bowl selection in 2007) (1st rd)
or Corey Coleman (61 receptions, 789 yards, 5 TDs), (1st rd).

Based on attitude, Braylon. "They didn't like me because I went to Michigan, wahhhh". No, idiot, we didn't like you because you couldn't catch the ball.

Based on stats Coleman.

for us it's Coleman (or Holden).

 

[Cincyfan78]

Yep and that all fell on the coaching staff and their lack of discipline towards him.

Agreed, but this isn't their first rodeo with a malcontent, especially at WR...this has not played out like before...which is telling, at least to me.

 

[thedddd]

Agreed, but this isn't their first rodeo with a malcontent, especially at WR...this has not played out like before...which is telling, at least to me.

Yep. Ad @dare2be stated this is on Tomlin. Out of all of this he has been that one common denominator.

 

[Cincyfan78]

OK - back to the board...

Smith, TRich, Ross...Bengal TE, I believe...

Next up?

 

[FaCe-LeE-uS]

Sorry gents I was out of town for the weekend.

Back to the all bust team.

Next up: OL

 

[thedddd]

OL is going to be fun as every team has had their fair share of busts.

 

[Cincyfan78]

The Bengals certainly have some serious WHIFFS...here...I'd say the 2 most recent 1st round guys:

Cedric Ogbuehi and Billy Price come to mind. So does Fisher (2nd round). Cedric was 21st overall, and Price was also 21st.
Hard not to mention Jackson Carmen here, either...wooff.....2nd round guy, but man he was bad.

I don't think OL gets the following from other teams as other positions do, so I'm interested in seeing what everyone has to say about their own teams....

 

[FaCe-LeE-uS]

Names to consider:

Browns
Pete Adams (1st Rd - 22nd overall - 1973)
Cameron Erving (1st Rd - 19th overall - 2015)
Austin Corbett (2nd Rd - 33rd overall - 2018)
Jedrick Wills Jr (1st Rd - 10th overall - 2020)

Bengals
Dave Rimington (1st Rd - 25th overall - 1983)
Freddie Childress (2nd Rd - 55th overall - 1989)
Andre Smith (1st Rd - 6th overall - 2009)
Jake Fisher (2nd Rd - 53rd overall - 2015)
Cedric Ogbuehi (1st Rd - 21st overall - 2015)
Billy Price (1st Rd - 21st overall -2018)

Ravens
Adam Terry (2nd Rd - 64th overall - 2005)
O'neal Cousins (3rd Rd - 99th overall - 2008)
Michael Oher (1st Rd - 23rd overall - 2009)
Jah Reid (3rd Rd - 85th overall - 2011)
Kelechi Osemele (2nd Rd - 60th overall - 2012)

Steelers
Mark Behning (2nd Rd - 47th overall - 1985)
John Rienstra (1st Rd - 9th overall - 1986)
Tom Ricketts (1st Rd - 24th overall - 1989)
Jamain Stephens (1st Rd - 29th overall - 1996)
Kraig Urbik (3rd Rd - 79th overall - 2009)
Mike Adams (2nd Rd - 56th overall - 2012)

 

[FaCe-LeE-uS]

Strongest contenders IMO:

Jedrick Wills Jr/Pete Adams
Tom Ricketts/Jamain Stephens
Cedric Ogbuehi/Billy Price
Michael Oher

 

[Cincyfan78]

I dunno...while Smith certainly didn't live up to the 6th pick...he had a fairly long career...I certainly would slide Cedric or Price ahead of Smith, despite being the 6th overall picked comp'd to 21st.

Oher only ended up playing, what ... 5 seasons?

While I hate using the injury angle - it appears that this is part of the criteria most everyone else is considering - Wills is likely going to play the least amount of games, and he's sitting out 2025 due to knee issues...and rumors are, he could retire...As someone says for the Bengals (Dave Lapham) the best ability is availability - and he doesn't have it...I might lean Wills here based on the potential short career he's facing....

 

[Shanemansj13]

My favorite Brown of all-time is now set to be a Houston Texan. A true professional, love that guy. Good luck to Nick

 

[thedddd]

Steelers without a doubt for me is Jamain Stephens. Cut second year after coming to camp out of shape.
Chris Conrad was another flop like Urbik was in the 3rd round and John Mayer a 2nd round pick who never played. Didn't pick Mayer since he was drafted to play DT vs OL but had knee issues and in-turn had to quit.

Ravens is Terry.
The hype around Oher wasn't all his fault but he did play consistently so I can't call him a true bust? Played and started 110 games.

Browns is Adams over Willis.

Bengals all of them Actually Ogbuehi


In the end I am taking Stephens. No bias he was just lazy trash and I still love the video of Cowher hazing him (can't find it). And Cowher stating he had no drive then cutting him the next day.

 

[Cincyfan78]

Steelers without a doubt for me is Jamain Stephens. Cut second year after coming to camp out of shape.
Chris Conrad was another flop like Urbik was in the 3rd round and John Mayer a 2nd round pick who never played. Didn't pick Mayer since he was drafted to play DT vs OL but had knee issues and in-turn had to quit.

Ravens is Terry.
The hype around Oher wasn't all his fault but he did play consistently so I can't call him a true bust? Played and started 110 games.

Browns is Adams over Willis.

Bengals all of them Actually Ogbuehi


In the end I am taking Stephens. No bias he was just lazy trash and I still love the video of Cowher hazing him (can't find it). And Cowher stating he had no drive then cutting him the next day.

Dang? Getting cut in year 2?

Yeah - that would seal the deal for me....I'll go Stephens.

 

[CrashDavisSports]

The Bengals certainly have some serious WHIFFS...here...I'd say the 2 most recent 1st round guys:

Cedric Ogbuehi and Billy Price come to mind. So does Fisher (2nd round). Cedric was 21st overall, and Price was also 21st.
Hard not to mention Jackson Carmen here, either...wooff.....2nd round guy, but man he was bad.

I don't think OL gets the following from other teams as other positions do, so I'm interested in seeing what everyone has to say about their own teams....

I am on board with all three of these. I go with Cedric because we let Andrew Whitworth walk because of him and Fisher.

 

[CrashDavisSports]

Dang? Getting cut in year 2?

Yeah - that would seal the deal for me....I'll go Stephens.

I concur. I will go with Stephens too. That is pretty bad.