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[Cincyfan78]

Shouldn't you have put that as "I can go on record, too, and say what you mentioned was done to help Watson minimize damage to his earning in 2022? Because it protects 90% of his 2022 earnings.
@Cincyfan78 should of left the 1 million salary part unspoken, because that allows you to ignore the clause and focus on the salary and how other Brown players also have similar salaries year one. We are all aware of how extensions are structured for immediate cap relief.

Yes - we can talk about the structure and mention the $1M, but the key component is the bonus protection which he continues to completely ignore in any of his responses because he knows at the heart of the discussion - everyone else is 100% correct: Watson's deal is structured to ensure he still gets paid the vast majority of his year 1 contract in case of suspension.

There isn't another contract that is comparable, despite his best efforts to conflate the situation by trying to focus only on the phrase "$1M", while ignoring the spirit of the conversation, which again is about the ENTIRE contract, not just the $1M.

 

[dtgold88]

Shouldn't you have put that as "I can go on record, too, and say what you mentioned was done to help Watson minimize damage to his earning in 2022? Because it protects 90% of his 2022 earnings.
@Cincyfan78 should of left the 1 million salary part unspoken, because that allows you to ignore the clause and focus on the salary and how other Brown players also have similar salaries year one. We are all aware of how extensions are structured for immediate cap relief.

should have put it exactly as I did as it answered the question.

It does not seem like you and others are "well aware" as you (and Cincy, as well as many others) continue to claim his year 1 salary was done to minimize what he'd lose in a suspension.

Hell, it's still not in you to just say you were wrong.

 

[dtgold88]

Yes - we can talk about the structure and mention the $1M, but the key component is the bonus protection which he continues to completely ignore in any of his responses because he knows at the heart of the discussion - everyone else is 100% correct: Watson's deal is structured to ensure he still gets paid the vast majority of his year 1 contract in case of suspension.

There isn't another contract that is comparable, despite his best efforts to conflate the situation by trying to focus only on the phrase "$1M", while ignoring the spirit of the conversation, which again is about the ENTIRE contract, not just the $1M.

I "completely ignore" the bonus protection when I agreed it was put in their to help Watson should he be suspended (post 3115 was the most recent time).

Not sure how that takes away from you and others being wrong about why his base in 2022 is so low. Let's try this. Is Watson's base low in 2022 to help him out if suspended?
a) Yes, and shame on the Browns for doing that
b) no, this is common practice for the Browns and other teams

If I offered $100 to the favorite charity of the first person who owns this gaffe would someone step forward? Not offering yet, but wondering if that would do the trick.

 

[Cincyfan78]

should have put it exactly as I did as it answered the question.

It does not seem like you and others are "well aware" as you (and Cincy, as well as many others) continue to claim his year 1 salary was done to minimize what he'd lose in a suspension.

Hell, it's still not in you to just say you were wrong.

And it's just not in you to be able to understand something that isn't spelled out for you in big, bold, block letters....so here we are...the vast majority of us agreeing because we understand how to read context - and then you.

Hmm.....

But, please do tell us all more....

 

[HaroldSeattle]

Not sure how that takes away from you and others being wrong about why his base in 2022 is so low. Let's try this. Is Watson's base low in 2022 to help him out if suspended?
a) Yes, and shame on the Browns for doing that
b) no, this is common practice for the Browns and other teams

Correct answer is:
c) both of the above

I know it, we know it and you know it.

 

[fastforward]

No-one, (I hope no-one), is arguing about reducing salary in year 1 of a multi-year contract to reduce the cap hit, or that signing bonuses in lieu of salary can't be subject to fines.

'Language exists that will not...void future guarantees upon suspension' - Spotrac.

That's the issue. "If" Watson is suspended for 5 years the Browns will still be on the hook for that contract.

 

[NWPATSFAN]

Correct answer is:
c) both of the above

I know it, we know it and you know it.

It's amazing how he continues to try an compartmentalize a contract to fit his agenda. Yet everyone else on the hoop are apparently mistaken on how contracts work. We are all wrong and can't admit it.

comedygold it is

 

[dtgold88]

And it's just not in you to be able to understand something that isn't spelled out for you in big, bold, block letters....so here we are...the vast majority of us agreeing because we understand how to read context - and then you.

Hmm.....

But, please do tell us all more....

I wont tell you more, but here is your exact comment once again (I made the main part big and bold for ya). If the "vast majority" agree with this that just makes a vast majority factually incorrect like you...

"considering how the Brown structured the deal to minimize the losses (both team/player) with the $1M 1st year payment - basically trying to handicap any league impact with a suspension."

what would happen if you simply owned that this is factually incorrect and not why his first year payment was so low?

 

[dtgold88]

Correct answer is:
c) both of the above

I know it, we know it and you know it.

shame on the Browns for doing the same for watson's first year base as they have done for other large extensions?

 

[dtgold88]

No-one, (I hope no-one), is arguing about reducing salary in year 1 of a multi-year contract to reduce the cap hit, or that signing bonuses in lieu of salary can't be subject to fines.

'Language exists that will not...void future guarantees upon suspension' - Spotrac.

That's the issue. "If" Watson is suspended for 5 years the Browns will still be on the hook for that contract.

correct....what some are trying to say, though, is the Browns gave Watson a very low base in 2022 ($1.035 mil) to help him out should he forfeit salary in a suspension. Not sure why they wont accept the Browns are doing this with most players who receive large deals with them in their first season.

 

[dtgold88]

It's amazing how he continues to try an compartmentalize a contract to fit his agenda. Yet everyone else on the hoop are apparently mistaken on how contracts work. We are all wrong and can't admit it.

comedygold it is

"considering how the Brown structured the deal to minimize the losses (both team/player) with the $1M 1st year payment - basically trying to handicap any league impact with a suspension."

Is this comment.....
a) true
b) false, as the Browns do this for most or all large extensions

 

[HaroldSeattle]

shame on the Browns for doing the same for watson's first year base as they have done for other large extensions?

Thanks to collusion between the Browns and Watson getting suspended in 2022 will hardly be financial painful for Watson. If suspended in 2022 for the FULL SEASON it will cost Watson 1 million, If suspended in 2023 for ONE GAME it will cost Watson 2.875 million and for the season 46 million. To listen to dtgold88 you get this:

• Language exists that will not forfeit signing bonus or void future guarantees upon suspension

 

[dtgold88]

Thanks to collusion between the Browns and Watson getting suspended in 2022 will hardly be financial painful for Watson. If suspended in 2022 for the full season it will cost Watson 1 million, If suspended in 2023 for ONE Game it will cost Watson 2.875 million and for the season 46 million. To listen to dtgold88 you get this:

cool....do they also expect Garrett to be suspended in 2022 as his base is the same? Ward suspension coming in 2023?

Since what the Browns/Watson did was not a secret, nor illegal, how was it collusion?

Seriously, I'm dying to know the punishment you'd face if you simply owned up to your logic being factually incorrect and/or off base? Has to be beyond severe at this point now that you've also added collusion to the mix of fake transgressions.

 

[HaroldSeattle]

cool....do they also expect Garrett to be suspended in 2022 as his base is the same? Ward suspension coming in 2023?

Since what the Browns/Watson did was not a secret, nor illegal, how was it collusion?

Seriously, I'm dying to know the punishment you'd face if you simply owned up to your logic being factually incorrect and/or off base? Has to be beyond severe at this point now that you've also added collusion to the mix of fake transgressions.

 

[dtgold88]

the irrelevant GIF/meme when you are proven to have been wrong and were spooked by another direct question...well, 3?

I'm shocked I tell ya....shocked.

here they are again if you'd like to use a lifeline.....
do they also expect Garrett to be suspended in 2022 as his base is the same? Ward suspension coming in 2023?

Since what the Browns/Watson did was not a secret, nor illegal, how was it collusion?

 

[HaroldSeattle]

the irrelevant GIF/meme when you are proven to have been wrong and were spooked by another direct question...well, 3?

I'm shocked I tell ya....shocked.

here they are again if you'd like to use a lifeline.....
do they also expect Garrett to be suspended in 2022 as his base is the same? Ward suspension coming in 2023?

Since what the Browns/Watson did was not a secret, nor illegal, how was it collusion?

All ready told you the correct answer is C

 

[dtgold88]

All ready told you the correct answer is C

different questions. Here they are again

do they also expect Garrett to be suspended in 2022 as his base is the same? Ward suspension coming in 2023?

Since what the Browns/Watson did was not a secret, nor illegal, how was it collusion?

"There are so many traits but the most distinguishable is that irrational people get spooked if you ask them questions that even remotely, vaguely, subtly oppose what they’re saying."

 

[NWPATSFAN]

"considering how the Brown structured the deal to minimize the losses (both team/player) with the $1M 1st year payment - basically trying to handicap any league impact with a suspension."

Is this comment.....
a) true
b) false, as the Browns do this for most or all large extensions

Do the other contracts have the same verbiage and guarentees?
A. No
B. No

There is only one correct answer. I hope I made it simple enough for you?

 

[dtgold88]

Do the other contracts have the same verbiage and guarentees?
A. No
B. No

There is only one correct answer. I hope I made it simple enough for you?

I will answer your question as direct questions don't scare me. If you are speaking of Watson's signing bonus being guaranteed if suspended the answer is, in fact, no. see how easy that was?

Your turn (again)

"considering how the Browns structured the deal to minimize the losses (both team/player) with the $1M 1st year payment - basically trying to handicap any league impact with a suspension."

Is this comment.....
a) true
b) false, as the Browns do this for most or all large extensions

 

[NWPATSFAN]

I will answer your question as direct questions don't scare me. If you are speaking of Watson's signing bonus being guaranteed if suspended the answer is, in fact, no. see how easy that was?

Your turn (again)

"considering how the Browns structured the deal to minimize the losses (both team/player) with the $1M 1st year payment - basically trying to handicap any league impact with a suspension."

Is this comment.....
a) true
b) false, as the Browns do this for most or all large extensions

Was that the question?

You couldn't possibly twist, turn, evade from answering questions any more if you had to.

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