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[FaCe-LeE-uS]

Fair enough - wonder if it hurts only in that all the talks up to now seemed to lean on his return - if they were at least counting on him being an extra body on the DL - or what kind of leadership he might have brought. I know with the loss of Ben and a few other veterans over the past few years, it really seems (from the outside looking in) that older core of veterans who always managed to find a way haven't really been replaced - but again, outside looking in.

I know he was really wrestling with the death of his brother, and then the knee injury - sucks. Like you said, wish him well on his next journey and I hope he can find some peace in whatever that leads to.

Would have loved to see Tuitt back but it looked less & less likely by the week this offseason, and most of us had already made our peace with moving on. Said he wanted to play months ago, but sold his Pgh house prior to saying that & wasn't with the team during voluntary workouts... Not to mention Colbert mentioned that he's STILL dealing with a knee injury after taking a full season off. Just didn't add up to any sort of optimism about his return. Everyone appeared to keep the light on for him but that may have been buying him time to make his announcement to retire. And or the team wanted him to announce it AFTER June 1st when it changed the dead cap.

Steelers are in dire need of a new wave of lockerroom leadership to step forward. Watt, Fitzpatrick, Najee, & hopefully newcomer James Daniels will step up. If Kenny Pickett pans out then he'll ultimately take those reins but he may not be ready yet. He was an big time leader at PITT.

 

[NWPATSFAN]

Well played

 

[FaCe-LeE-uS]

 

[blue_suns]

Haven't heard that one before

 

[Cincyfan78]

Haven't heard that one before

Hey - just because it's true...

 

[dtgold88]

I'm certainly all for everyone having their day in court, and not rushing to judgement. We've all seen many stories of guys getting falsely accused of things...but when the number reaches double digits, clearly there is a pattern, and to have 23 different women come forward....I mean....that's just really hard to explain away.

It's going to be really interesting to see how the NFL handles this situation, especially considering how the Brown structured the deal to minimize the losses (both team/player) with the $1M 1st year payment - basically trying to handicap any league impact with a suspension.

Could we see him, ultimately, end up suspended for 2 full years and having to apply for reinstatement, pushing the potential to miss a portion of year 3 as well? It would be a MASSIVE leap in terms of past suspensions, but none of the previous precedents come close to this kind of magnitude in terms of number of complaints/lawsuits filed.

To be clear, the $1 mil first year payment has nothing to do with helping out Watson if he's suspended in 2022. Garrett will be paid the same amount in 2022 in first year of his new deal. So will Ward in 2023. Other teams do this with extensions to star players.

 

[Cincyfan78]

To be clear, the $1 mil first year payment has nothing to do with helping out Watson if he's suspended in 2022. Garrett will be paid the same amount in 2022 in first year of his new deal. So will Ward in 2023. Other teams do this with extensions to star players.

I'm not going to get into you with this because you've already gotten into with others in another thread.

Garrett's and Watson's contracts are not alike. Period. Full stop. Watson has a clause that protects his bonus, so that he still gets paid nearly $9M in case of suspension.

That is why it set up that way - it is NOTHING like anyone else's contract. End of story.

 

[dtgold88]

I'm not going to get into you with this because you've already gotten into with others in another thread.

Garrett's and Watson's contracts are not alike. Period. Full stop. Watson has a clause that protects his bonus, so that he still gets paid nearly $9M in case of suspension.

That is why it set up that way - it is NOTHING like anyone else's contract. End of story.

I mean, no need to get into it with me as what you said was factually incorrect and this comment by you is off base......."considering how the Brown structured the deal to minimize the losses (both team/player) with the $1M 1st year payment - basically trying to handicap any league impact with a suspension."

Garrett and Watson both will receive $1.035 mil the first years of their new deals. Yes, Watson has a clause that protects his bonus but you were speaking of his $1 mil first year base being done to "handicap a suspension", which is not true

Honestly, not sure why it's so hard for some to simply admit they are wrong about this when they learn the truth. When I first heard his salary in 2022 I assumed what you did...then I learned the truth/facts and realized those reporting this were incorrect.

 

[Bridgeburner]

Not really.

He hasn't been a reliable player for the team for years. Even before his brother, he was often injured and off the field.

Tuitt cost too much to have him be a part-time player. I've been ready to move on from him for years now.

Best of luck to him though. I hope he finds some peace.

All true.

But we're a better team with a healthy and present Tuitt.

That's a unicorn though.

 

[Shanemansj13]

I mean, no need to get into it with me as what you said was factually incorrect and this comment by you is off base......."considering how the Brown structured the deal to minimize the losses (both team/player) with the $1M 1st year payment - basically trying to handicap any league impact with a suspension."

Garrett and Watson both will receive $1.035 mil the first years of their new deals. Yes, Watson has a clause that protects his bonus but you were speaking of his $1 mil first year base being done to "handicap a suspension", which is not true

Honestly, not sure why it's so hard for some to simply admit they are wrong about this when they learn the truth. When I first heard his salary in 2022 I assumed what you did...then I learned the truth/facts and realized those reporting this were incorrect.

 

[dtgold88]

Yeah I don't get it. Sure, when you first hear about it it's believable...until you learn the truth. Amount of times I've seen fans spew this even after learning the truth is strange.

Thinking other teams do this a lot, as well.

 

[HaroldSeattle]

To be clear, the $1 mil first year payment has nothing to do with helping out Watson if he's suspended in 2022.

What about the clause to protect the other 9 million he's earning in 2022? Was that put in there to help the Browns or was in put in to protect 90% of Watson earnings in 2022?

Lets have the other Browns fans go on record answering this question. @Shanemansj13 @Stakesarehigh @Wamu

 

[Wamu]

 

[Wamu]

What about the clause to protect the other 9 million he's earning in 2022? Was that put in there to help the Browns or was in put in to protect 90% of Watson earnings in 2022?

Lets have the other Browns fans go on record answering this question. @Shanemansj13 @Stakesarehigh @Wamu

I don't really follow player contracts. So don't know anything about what he's making this season. But I think that 200+ million contract that idiot Haslam gave Watson is absurd.

 

[dtgold88]

What about the clause to protect the other 9 million he's earning in 2022? Was that put in there to help the Browns or was in put in to protect 90% of Watson earnings in 2022?

Lets have the other Browns fans go on record answering this question. @Shanemansj13 @Stakesarehigh @Wamu

I can go on record, too, and say what you just mentioned was done to help Watson, but he specifically mentioned the $1 mil base and how it was put in to protect against a suspension and that's not true......"considering how the Brown structured the deal to minimize the losses (both team/player) with the $1M 1st year payment - basically trying to handicap any league impact with a suspension."

do you agree with Cincyfan's bolded comment or do you finally understand what he said is factually incorrect? Also, a reminder, when you move the goal posts get help. They are not light.

would it help if I made this multiple choice?
A) Yes, I get it. The Browns did not do this to circumvent a suspension and do this often with new deals
B) No, I'm digging my heels and the Browns are only paying him $1 mil year one to help him out if suspended

 

[dtgold88]

I don't really follow player contracts. So don't know anything about what he's making this season. But I think that 200+ million contract that idiot Haslam gave Watson is absurd.

It seems like a lot....would you prefer an idiot Dolan own the team who would not allow the FO to pay to keep any top tier player who wanted his market value?

 

[Wamu]

It seems like a lot....would you prefer an idiot Dolan own the team who would not allow the FO to pay to keep any top tier player who wanted his market value?

Haslam and Dolan are the billionaire version of Beavis & Butthead.

 

[dtgold88]

Haslam and Dolan are the billionaire version of Beavis & Butthead.

I do get the angst toward Haslam (especially from his earlier years here and, of course, the trucking issue) but he's what I want in a guy who owns a team I cheer for......If he finds the right guys he will stay out of the way, let the FO do their job and write the checks when asked.

 

[Wamu]

I do get the angst toward Haslam (especially from his earlier years here and, of course, the trucking issue) but he's what I want in a guy who owns a team I cheer for......If he finds the right guys he will stay out of the way, let the FO do their job and write the checks when asked.

And that all we as fans can hope for. Haslam stay outta the way and let the people he hired make the roster decisions.

 

[HaroldSeattle]

I can go on record, too, and say what you just mentioned was done to help Watson,

Shouldn't you have put that as "I can go on record, too, and say what you mentioned was done to help Watson minimize damage to his earning in 2022? Because it protects 90% of his 2022 earnings.
@Cincyfan78 should of left the 1 million salary part unspoken, because that allows you to ignore the clause and focus on the salary and how other Brown players also have similar salaries year one. We are all aware of how extensions are structured for immediate cap relief.