Active HOFers?

[navamind]

Verlander hasn't quite had a game like Game 7, but his 2013 postseason, 2012 ALDS Game 5 and game 2 in the 2017 ALCS were pretty great performances.

 

[PolarVortex]

Those that if they retired today, or if they just need to make it to the 10 year career mark who will make the HOF.

Albert Pujols
Miguel Cabrera
Adrian Beltre
Justin Verlander
Clayton Kershaw
Max Scherzer
Mike Trout

Maybe:

Chase Utley
Yadier Molina

Missing anyone?

Is 3000 hits still a watermark for induction?

Consider this guy. At the end of this season he will be 35 years old and will have 2400 hits. His OPS this year is the second highest of his MLB career, so he isn't slowing down any. If he can keep a starting job, he's probably going to reach 3000 hits because he never gets hurt. He's a lock for 500 career doubles and 200 homeruns. Along with the 3000 hits, should that get him in? He wouldn't be the first compiler to get in who was not a great player but steadily compiled for a long, long time.

I'm talking about Nick Markakis.

 

[Chewbaccer]

Is 3000 hits still a watermark for induction?

Consider this guy. At the end of this season he will be 35 years old and will have 2400 hits. His OPS this year is the second highest of his MLB career, so he isn't slowing down any. If he can keep a starting job, he's probably going to reach 3000 hits because he never gets hurt. He's a lock for 500 career doubles and 200 homeruns. Along with the 3000 hits, should that get him in? He wouldn't be the first compiler to get in who was not a great player but steadily compiled for a long, long time.

I'm talking about Nick Markakis.

there’s something to be said about 15+ years of solid, consistent production, but he was never elite, always just really solid and dependable, so I bet he’d be the first non roider member of the 3000 hit club to not get in should he reach 3000 hits

 

[PolarVortex]

In '86 he had a 3.27 ERA (6th in AL), 1.17 WHIP (5th in AL), and 2.72 K/BB (8th in AL). Just to put that in perspective, Ervin Santana's 2017 was probably just as good from a performance standpoint, so if we're calling Morris' '1986 season pretty dominant, that's a fairly low bar. He did win 21 games, but he also had a top 3 offense in baseball that year supporting him.

And yes, he had a great 1991 game 7, but it's not a dominant season..it's one game. And are we to ignore that Morris' career playoff log is pretty evenly split between mediocre/bad games and good/dominant games simply because of game 7?

If I had a vote, and I had to vote for a Tiger pitcher, Mickey Lolich would get my vote before Jack Morris would.

 

[PolarVortex]

there’s something to be said about 15+ years of solid, consistent production, but he was never elite, always just really solid and dependable, so I bet he’d be the first non roider member of the 3000 hit club to not get in should he reach 3000 hits

No, he was never elite. But there are a lot of guys in the HOF you could say that about. Biggio was never elite. Eddie Murray was never elite. Murray and the Crime Dog had careers so damn similar. McGriff came up 7 homeruns short, or he would be in too. Even a guy like Andre Dawson. One big year that first year as a Cub and otherwise solid but not elite. And there was definitely a rabbit in the baseball in 1987.

 

[SU Nittany Tide]

No, he was never elite. But there are a lot of guys in the HOF you could say that about. Biggio was never elite. Eddie Murray was never elite. Murray and the Crime Dog had careers so damn similar. McGriff came up 7 homeruns short, or he would be in too. Even a guy like Andre Dawson. One big year that first year as a Cub and otherwise solid but not elite. And there was definitely a rabbit in the baseball in 1987.

Biggio was pretty exceptional from the mid to late 90s.

 

[Nosferatu]

In '86 he had a 3.27 ERA (6th in AL), 1.17 WHIP (5th in AL), and 2.72 K/BB (8th in AL). Just to put that in perspective, Ervin Santana's 2017 was probably just as good from a performance standpoint, so if we're calling Morris' '1986 season pretty dominant, that's a fairly low bar. He did win 21 games, but he also had a top 3 offense in baseball that year supporting him.

And yes, he had a great 1991 game 7, but it's not a dominant season..it's one game. And are we to ignore that Morris' career playoff log is pretty evenly split between mediocre/bad games and good/dominant games simply because of game 7?

6 shutouts in 86 is at least a little dominating. It's only been done by like 5 or 6 other pitchers since he had those 6 and yes, arguably the best World Series performance in the history of the game by a pitcher does forgive some of the poor performances, let's not forget he was pretty good in his other two starts in that series, he was also pretty good in 84. The Twins don't win without him, let's see Verlander do something in the World Series just once...

 

[StanMarsh51]

6 shutouts in 86 is at least a little dominating. It's only been done by like 5 or 6 other pitchers since he had those 6 and yes, arguably the best World Series performance in the history of the game by a pitcher does forgive some of the poor performances, let's not forget he was pretty good in his other two starts in that series, he was also pretty good in 84. The Twins don't win without him, let's see Verlander do something in the World Series just once...

Like game 7, focusing on 6 shutouts is a very small sample size in looking at an overall season of 30+ starts, no? He had 6 shutouts and his ERA was nearly 3.3, so he probably wasn't very good in a chunk of those other starts that year.

Verlander's had 3 seasons that were undoubtedly dominant (and a good argument can be made that his 2016 was dominant as well), whereas you can't make a solid argument that Morris had even 1 dominant season, and 6 starts isn't an entire season, or even quarter of one no matter how much you might seem to think it is.

 

[Nosferatu]

Like game 7, focusing on 6 shutouts is a very small sample size in looking at an overall season of 30+ starts, no? He had 6 shutouts and his ERA was nearly 3.3, so he probably wasn't very good in a chunk of those other starts that year.

Verlander's had 3 seasons that were undoubtedly dominant (and a good argument can be made that his 2016 was dominant as well), whereas you can't make a solid argument that Morris had even 1 dominant season, and 6 starts isn't an entire season, or even quarter of one no matter how much you might seem to think it is.

One player lead the Tigers to a Championship the other had to go to someone else's team to win!

One player was dominating when it mattered most one player was not!

100 years from now Verlander will be remembered as a really good pitcher that sucked on the worlds biggest stage.

100 years from now Jack Morris will be remembered for one of the greatest pitching performances of all time!

100 years from now you'll be remembered as some ass hole who thought his opinions were facts.


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[StanMarsh51]

One player lead the Tigers to a Championship the other had to go to someone else's team to win!

One player was dominating when it mattered most one player was not!

100 years from now Verlander will be remembered as a really good pitcher that sucked on the worlds biggest stage.

100 years from now Jack Morris will be remembered for one of the greatest pitching performances of all time!

100 years from now you'll be remembered as some ass hole who thought his opinions were facts.


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You've now gone into full homer mode... After exhausting a false notion that game 7 is an entire season and having that go nowhere, you've turned to personal attacks.

Oldest trick in the homer playbook, but it was clear you were a Twins homer when you couldn't even admit that Morris had no dominating seasons.

I don't even wanna know how ballistic you'll go if someone claimed Kirby Puckett wasn't much better than Bernie Williams
(reality check - they're pretty comparable).

 

[wazzu31]

Didn’t Baines totally distort what HOF actually means in baseball? He turned the HOF into Oprah’s you get a car gif.

 

[Voltaire26]

If I had a vote, and I had to vote for a Tiger pitcher, Mickey Lolich would get my vote before Jack Morris would.

Big Tiger fan ... I would not have voted for Morris. It is sad that Whitaker did not go in with Trammell. Lolich in before Morris easily!!

 

[DragonfromTO]

No, he was never elite. But there are a lot of guys in the HOF you could say that about. Biggio was never elite. Eddie Murray was never elite. Murray and the Crime Dog had careers so damn similar. McGriff came up 7 homeruns short, or he would be in too. Even a guy like Andre Dawson. One big year that first year as a Cub and otherwise solid but not elite. And there was definitely a rabbit in the baseball in 1987.

I didn't look at Murray but if you rank their seasons by bbref WAR Biggio has 9 of the top 10 seasons. Markakis does not compare well to him.

 

[navamind]

One player lead the Tigers to a Championship the other had to go to someone else's team to win!

One player was dominating when it mattered most one player was not!

100 years from now Verlander will be remembered as a really good pitcher that sucked on the worlds biggest stage.

100 years from now Jack Morris will be remembered for one of the greatest pitching performances of all time!

100 years from now you'll be remembered as some ass hole who thought his opinions were facts.


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You can also argue that the Blue Jays won in spite of Morris in 1992. He also didn't throw a postseason pitch in 1993.

 

[navamind]

Kirby Puckett's HOF election is a joke.

 

[Red_Chaos]

What does Yadi have to do to get in. Everyone puts him on the outside looking in.

 

[navamind]

What does Yadi have to do to get in. Everyone puts him on the outside looking in.

hit better. A 98 OPS+ is pretty solid by catcher standards, but still not particularly good (or at least not for long enough IMO).

 

[Red_Chaos]

hit better. A 98 OPS+ is pretty solid by catcher standards, but still not particularly good (or at least not for long enough IMO).

But he’s the catcher...I wouldn’t call him a power hitter but he is good at getting timely hits.

 

[PolarVortex]

Kirby Puckett's HOF election is a joke.

Wife beater. Fuck him. They gave him the Roberto Clemente treatment. But where Clemente was an honest to God humanitarian, Puckett was just a marital terrorist.

 

[ElTexan]

Holy shit. Is Mike Trout already in "retires tomorrow, gets into the Hall of Fame" range?

I just looked up his stats, and don't think he is, but I have no doubt he'll be there when all is said and done.

He is already an above average HOFer. Already