A.L. Central Smack Talk 2014

[obxyankeefan]

I hope we get to talk Yankees tonight. :rollseyes:

They won, but don't worry the 83 wins the Yankees will finish the season with will not make the playoffs.

 

[navamind]

went to the Royals/Dodgers game tonight, didn't end well but it was a fun game to watch, the entire 9 innings..

Everyone was floored at Dyson getting one past the bullpen...

The Royals need to get Van Slyke, the guy looks like a monster at the plate, monster on 1st with Hosmer and he hit one about as high as you can and not make it out of the stadium. That guy is going to hit some HRs once he gets some ABs.

Van Slyke has some pretty drastic splits going on right now. He's been killing lefties this year (16-55 with 6 doubles and 6 HR, .291/.451/.727 line), but he's been helpless against righties (9-39, 1 triple, .231/.362/.282 line), though he's at least gotten on base against them.

 

[da55bums]

Van Slyke has some pretty drastic splits going on right now. He's been killing lefties this year (16-55 with 6 doubles and 6 HR, .291/.451/.727 line), but he's been helpless against righties (9-39, 1 triple, .231/.362/.282 line), though he's at least gotten on base against them.

The Royals though have nothing like even him, he can platoon with Dyson after Aoki leaves if he has too...he hit well throughout the minors, like to see him play full time for a stretch....Maxwell is a k machine. The Royals have to have 1 guy with HR threat power, even if its a pinch hitter.

At very worst, just put him in the on deck circle to scare the pitcher, he is freakin huge.

 

[broncosmitty]

They won, but don't worry the 83 wins the Yankees will finish the season with will not make the playoffs.

Id like them to make the playoffs....

 

[broncosmitty]

went to the Royals/Dodgers game tonight, didn't end well but it was a fun game to watch, the entire 9 innings..

Everyone was floored at Dyson getting one past the bullpen...

The Royals need to get Van Slyke, the guy looks like a monster at the plate, monster on 1st with Hosmer and he hit one about as high as you can and not make it out of the stadium. That guy is going to hit some HRs once he gets some ABs.

Looked like a good one to be at.

 

[Howie115]

All those numbers you posted are included in OPS+ (which takes into account all plate appearances), so I'm not sure how much of a 'boost' RISP stats give Cabrera when it's not as if Trout stinks in those situations, and RISP situations tend to happen less than a third of a player's plate appearances.
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I wasn't chery picking...right now, most everyone other than Tigers fans would take Trout over Miggy...Youth, speed, defense, hitting...in every facit of the game...choosing RISP as your stat just goes to show that you have to find something to show Miggy is better at.

On the first, it's because I put value on situational/clutch hitting. Yeah, it's maybe a third of a player's plate appearances, but it's a very important third. No, Trout doesn't stink in those situations, but Miguel is clearly superior -- by a lot. Since becoming a Tiger, I think Miguel also has something like 13 home runs in the 9th inning or later to tie the game or take the lead.

On the second, I hope that's directed to someone else, because I've said twice now that Trout is the better overall player, but I still think Miguel is the better hitter.

 

[Howie115]

How about those Martinez boys for the Tigers? Back-to-back RBI doubles in the 1st, back-to-back homers in the 5th. Walk Miguel Cabrera at your own peril right now.

 

[StanMarsh51]

Trout 2012 .326
2013. .323
2014. .307

Miggy 2012 .330
2013 .348
2014 .318

Thats 40 points. Unless the stat page i looked at was wrong. Baseball reference....but sure swing it to the tougher pitchers in the west now lol.....

LOL

If you think comparing rate stats is done by adding them up and not using seasonal (weighted) averages, then this baseball thing isn't for you.

If we're using your formula, Cabrera's career batting average would be 3.828 and not .321

You don't have to be a nerd to know basic math, cleaves!

 

[da55bums]

On the first, it's because I put value on situational/clutch hitting. Yeah, it's maybe a third of a player's plate appearances, but it's a very important third. No, Trout doesn't stink in those situations, but Miguel is clearly superior -- by a lot. Since becoming a Tiger, I think Miguel also has something like 13 home runs in the 9th inning or later to tie the game or take the lead.

On the second, I hope that's directed to someone else, because I've said twice now that Trout is the better overall player, but I still think Miguel is the better hitter.

Miggy has been a great clutch hitter in his career no doubt and has been a hof hitter, no doubt.

 

[gandydancer]

just let it go Cleaves, Miggy has been insaine good for a while now, he can't stay the best in the game for the rest of his career.. Everyone saw Miggy coming over Pujols and and now watching Trout coming over Miggy, its a natural occurance.

IMO it's awesome both get in conversation together these days. At least good for baseball. I still feel it is Miggy. I also know someday he will pass the torch and most likely to Trout.

This is what I said other day. Eventually it will happen.

Miggy was a player on your favorite team you would still want him over Trout. For arguement sake I know y'all will say otherwise. We all have homerism in us. I will take Miggy all day right now.

Bums would you ever give up Brett at anytime in career for another player? Hell no

Nava will keep Ortiz over any DH til the bitter end?

CSD still defends Jeter as if he is still best SS in game. LOL

 

[gandydancer]

Trout's BA over that span: .321
Miggy's: .334

But please elaborate on how that's "40 points."

Trout 2012 .326
2013. .323
2014. .307

Miggy 2012 .330
2013 .348
2014 .318
.

Actually I got .318 or round up .319

Miggy is .332

Is there a different math used??

 

[StanMarsh51]

Actually I got .318 or round up .319

Miggy is .332

Is there a different math used??

You can't add up batting averages and divide by 3 years, since at bats aren't equal in those 3 years (the years with less at bats will not affect his average as much as the years with the most at bats). If you divide total hits into at bats (456/1421), you get a .3209 rounded to .321 for Trout.

Baseballreference also has a nifty tool where you can click on a stretch of years and it does the math for you to tell you the averages and totals for that stretch for a player.

 

[gandydancer]

You can't add up batting averages and divide by 3 years, since at bats aren't equal in those 3 years (the years with less at bats will not affect his average as much as the years with the most at bats). If you divide total hits into at bats (456/1421), you get a .3209 rounded to .321 for Trout.

Baseballreference also has a nifty tool where you can click on a stretch of years and it does the math for you to tell you the averages and totals for that stretch for a player.

You don't have to be a nerd to know basic math, cleaves!

So, basic math was not used. I also understand why it was not.

 

[navamind]

Actually I got .318 or round up .319

Miggy is .332

Is there a different math used??

You can use Baseball-Reference to add up stats over multiple seasons. Just click on one year and click on whatever one you want to use as an endpoint.

 

[dougplayer]

Detroit Tigers...the best dam road team in the AL...... word

 

[dougplayer]

Texas is not as good as it used to be,. did you like Kinsler doing that little wave after he homered in his first pitch back at Texas??? seems only one upset was Colby...he cried a river.


Tigers looking to extend there longest current win styreak in the MLB. jump on for the big win Royal fans!!!! the Royals gave packed it in already for the season

 

[navamind]

Texas is not as good as it used to be,. did you like Kinsler doing that little wave after he homered in his first pitch back at Texas??? seems only one upset was Colby...he cried a river.


Tigers looking to extend there longest current win styreak in the MLB. jump on for the big win Royal fans!!!! the Royals gave packed it in already for the season

Injuries will do that to you.

The Texas Rangers? Lost Season «

Texas Rangers Injuries | MLB Baseball Injury | FOX Sports on MSN

 

[broncosmitty]

Ricky P just hates giving up runs. It's that simple folks. Helluva game for the best #4 in the bidness.

 

[ThruTheEyesOfRuby]

Injuries will do that to you.
The Texas Rangers? Lost Season «

Texas Rangers Injuries | MLB Baseball Injury | FOX Sports on MSN

Oh man, no doubt about it. This is one of those seasons where you give a team like this a pass because just *everything* went wrong at the same time. I mean, hell, even Moreland (who Texas was so-so wishy-washy with) gets injured? Just a season of bad mojo. On top of that, Yu is either having a below-par season or has been 'figured out', to some degree, by the rest of the league and welp, there ya have it.. a good team that's put in the unenviable position of 'do we sell before the trade deadline or hold the fort and hope to bounce back next year?'. Not an easy decision.

 

[ThruTheEyesOfRuby]

Ricky P just hates giving up runs. It's that simple folks. Helluva game for the best #4 in the bidness.

I looked at that matchup earlier and thought 'yep, Tigers have a pretty serviceable guy in Porcello'. Takes a bit of the sting out of dealing Fister away, no?