A.L. Central Smack Talk 2014

[StanMarsh51]

Im still not understanding your point...i said take miggy off and theyre avg...prolly miss playoffs....that shows how good miggy is.....same with bonds....take trout off and the angels are still bad...why would i take a hundred seasons over bonds??? If i took bonds off the giants??? Then what?? Im not understanding. They would be better without bonds???? Lost

If you took Bonds off the 2001 Giants (the year he hit 73), they still miss the playoffs. They couldn't make the playoffs with Bonds, and they still wouldn't make it without Bonds.

Isn't that a big reason for your argument against Trout?

 

[Cleaves2000]

Since 2012 Cabrera's hitting 13 points better than Trout.

Is that a huge difference in your world, especially when the AL West since that period has been a better pitching division?

Trout 2012 .326
2013. .323
2014. .307

Miggy 2012 .330
2013 .348
2014 .318

Thats 40 points. Unless the stat page i looked at was wrong. Baseball reference....but sure swing it to the tougher pitchers in the west now lol.....

 

[Cleaves2000]

It's economics 101 (which probably says you've never taken basic economics).

If good housing is scarce and many want the good housing, the value increases.
If good jewelry is scarce and many want the good jewelry, the value increases.
If good players at a position is scarce and many teams want good players at that position, the value increases.

You don't even need the Econ101 class to know that...it's common sense. Why do you think the likes of Ripken, Jeff Kent, Pudge, Rollins, Larkin, Pedroia etc can win MVPs despite not having the best numbers? Because they play positions where high production is scarce, thus making them valuable.


It's common sense, man.

This what im talking about blah blah blah bullshit blah blah blah......yup youre smart were all dumb blah blah blah.....im just a dumb sparty grad with a turf management degree....just know how to grow grass man....and cook...am very good with numbers since i went back to school for culinary and its mostly math....but yeah...that paragraph was a bunch of blah blah blah...


Basically trout is better because of economics then?

 

[navamind]

Ill take the MVP and world series champion miggy....until trout wins an MVP or 2 or wins or just makes the playoffs, ill take miggy....,bums already said it....take miggy off the tigers, and their lineup is avg....take trout off the angels and the angels will still miss the playoffs, like they do with him.



Miggy and the martinez boys.....clubbing us to a 4 game lead.....tigers interested in benoit or street? Maybe....

This is such stupid faulty logic.

 

[navamind]

What happened to the days when a guy was just better than a guy no matter what position he played....so just because most teams have good 1B, trout is better? Strange....ill take the triple crown winner until he is dethroned...i dont care for all those nerd stats...obviously they must dont tell the whole story since the angels are yet to win with trout and his WAR or OPS+ or his E=MC2...ill take the guy who drives in guys in the clutch...has made multiple playoff runs....but whatever....

what is this, 2006?

 

[Cleaves2000]

It's economics 101 (which probably says you've never taken basic economics).

If good housing is scarce and many want the good housing, the value increases.
If good jewelry is scarce and many want the good jewelry, the value increases.
If good players at a position is scarce and many teams want good players at that position, the value increases.

You don't even need the Econ101 class to know that...it's common sense. Why do you think the likes of Ripken, Jeff Kent, Pudge, Rollins, Larkin, Pedroia etc can win MVPs despite not having the best numbers? Because they play positions where high production is scarce, thus making them valuable.


It's common sense, man.

So why do ALL the 1B make big money? You already said there were alot of good ones....why would chicago give abreu 68 million and hes never played in the MLB? Seems like the position wasnt scarce.

 

[Cleaves2000]

what is this, 2006?

Why? Guess its an inside nerd joke?

 

[Cleaves2000]

If you took Bonds off the 2001 Giants (the year he hit 73), they still miss the playoffs. They couldn't make the playoffs with Bonds, and they still wouldn't make it without Bonds.

Isn't that a big reason for your argument against Trout?

Oh i guess i missed the year where trout hit 73 bombs

 

[da55bums]

I was in a sense calling all of us cherry pickers when using stats in baseball. I was saying Howie was also doing it as was dabums. Comparing stats are never silly...otherwise it's just opinion VS. opinion correct?

Would that stat be silly if totals are higher for 1/2 hitter. No, because it would show more substance to the arguement.

I wasn't cherry picking...right now, most everyone other than Tigers fans would take Trout over Miggy...Youth, speed, defense, hitting...in every facit of the game...choosing RISP as your stat just goes to show that you have to find something to show Miggy is better at.

Like it or not, people will take the early 20's guy over early 30's guy, especially when the hitting is almost equal now...trout is going upward, if you don't think Miggy peaked with a Triple Crown, that means you actually think he is going to get another one....not a chance, zero.

 

[navamind]

Trout 2012 .326
2013. .323
2014. .307

Miggy 2012 .330
2013 .348
2014 .318

Thats 40 points. Unless the stat page i looked at was wrong. Baseball reference....but sure swing it to the tougher pitchers in the west now lol.....

Trout's BA over that span: .321
Miggy's: .334

But please elaborate on how that's "40 points."

 

[Cleaves2000]

Ok IF mike trout hits 73 bombs or his in the .340's, then maybe, just maybe he can pass miggy....but yeah 73 HR's will win an MVP playoffs or not....same with a triple crown.....he broke a record that stood for years and will prolly NEVER be broken.

 

[Cleaves2000]

I wasn't cherry picking...right now, most everyone other than Tigers fans would take Trout over Miggy...Youth, speed, defense, hitting...in every facit of the game...choosing RISP as your stat just goes to show that you have to find something to show Miggy is better at.

Like it or not, people will take the early 20's guy over early 30's guy, especially when the hitting is almost equal now...trout is going upward, if you don't think Miggy peaked with a Triple Crown, that means you actually think he is going to get another one....not a chance, zero.

I agree if i was drafting i take the younger player...duh....but i wouldnt trade miggy for trout for just THIS year....of course trout will have the better career in the next 10 yrs.

 

[da55bums]

Nope....and dont care......prolly a nerd stat......all i know is i think miggy is better....until trout takes the belt from him....make a postseason first....win a post season series next....be a champion....win a few MVP's....it isnt like miggy is washed up hitting .240......hell if were just going of stats after 75 games this year vmart is the man....but miggy IS the best baseball player in the world...i know thats hard for you since you got a woody for trout....just wondering....do u ever get tired of coming into an al central smack talk board and continually use nerd stats against every detroit tiger argument in here....if were talking pitching, you post nerd stats to tell us how bad detroit is....or something about the lineup, but yet they just keep on winning.....its like the detroit tigers trainrailed your mom or sumthin....

So when did Miggy take the best title from Pujols...Pujols, MVP's WS champ? and actually better numbers in his first 10 years too.

Cleeves, everyone who shows any opposition against the Tigers, just label them Tiger haters...they are the best team ever built...stick to that thought.

 

[broncosmitty]

I hope we get to talk Yankees tonight. :rollseyes:

 

[Cleaves2000]

All i got to say is......SIX GAME WINNING STREAK!!!!!! Longest in the majors.....back to a 4 game lead.....keep on telling us how sorry the tigers are....that just means KC, minny, clev and the sox are horrible then.....


Notice CSD vanished once the tigers got hot. Biggest trolls on this board are the al east fans. Strange....guess they worry how the tigers are doing more than toronto and baltimore.


MIGGY AND THE MARTINEZ BOYS!!!!!!!!

 

[navamind]

Kluber went 7 shutout innings, bringing his ERA back down to 3.09. His strikeout rate's fallen off a bit, but he's still on pace for 253 strikeouts and 228.2 innings. And only 53 walks.

 

[Cleaves2000]

So when did Miggy take the best title from Pujols...Pujols, MVP's WS champ? and actually better numbers in his first 10 years too.

Cleeves, everyone who shows any opposition against the Tigers, just label them Tiger haters...they are the best team ever built...stick to that thought.

Moose doesnt like the tigers but he isnt a tiger hater....mr hockey...the same...even nos....


Tiger HATERS in this room are as follows....bums, csd, nava, stan........they worry more about the tigers than their own team....just look at all the posts they have detroit tigers in it.....you dont see everyone of my posts having the royals or the twins....i worry about MY team!

 

[navamind]

Moose doesnt like the tigers but he isnt a tiger hater....mr hockey...the same...even nos....


Tiger HATERS in this room are as follows....bums, csd, nava, stan........they worry more about the tigers than their own team....just look at all the posts they have detroit tigers in it.....you dont see everyone of my posts having the royals or the twins....i worry about MY team!

Lofl. The only team in the division I "hate" is the White Sox, and even, that's a lot less than I used to, now that Pierzynski (now he's with the Red Sox, ugggghhhhhhhh) and Guillen are no longer with them.

 

[da55bums]

just let it go Cleaves, Miggy has been insaine good for a while now, he can't stay the best in the game for the rest of his career.. Everyone saw Miggy coming over Pujols and and now watching Trout coming over Miggy, its a natural occurance.

I hated Fielder, igleses, Coke, Avila and Vice...the tigers, ehhh, just the team with a target on their backs for the Royals. You can't win unless you know what your facing.

 

[da55bums]

went to the Royals/Dodgers game tonight, didn't end well but it was a fun game to watch, the entire 9 innings..

Everyone was floored at Dyson getting one past the bullpen...

The Royals need to get Van Slyke, the guy looks like a monster at the plate, monster on 1st with Hosmer and he hit one about as high as you can and not make it out of the stadium. That guy is going to hit some HRs once he gets some ABs.